To the people who don't pirate: Is life really so bad?
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yes, it has. a copy of the game was taken from its rightful owner. the cash value of that copy is also taken. its the same thing as if you reached into their pocket and plucked out a $50 bill every time you steal a copy of a game. as ive pointed out repeatedly you arent paying for the master when you buy a game, your paying for a *gasp* COPY, so when you STEAL a COPY its removing something of value from the owner. thus its theft.
as to cheezes noise, as usual he totaly misses the point and runs off chasing moon beams. hed rather split hairs than just admit hes wrong, in his defence though hes clearly not alone on this issue.
as to cheezes noise, as usual he totaly misses the point and runs off chasing moon beams. hed rather split hairs than just admit hes wrong, in his defence though hes clearly not alone on this issue.
Honestly? Because I just do not really care. I do not download video games because I am more of a console gamer and prefer to have a disc anyway. I do however download/pirate an immense amount of anime and music; I have downloaded the entire series of a few anime shows, a numerous songs, in addition to watching a few movies via the net.Erana said:
It is not a question of "would my life be so awful" with the aforemention music, it is more I would not have purchased it otherwise either due to a lack of income at the current time or there was something else I was purchasing first. What is the difference really in downloading a song from Limewire or listening to it endlessly on Youtube?
I pick up the occasional NES/SNES/Genesis ROM or piece of abandonware, and I'm not opposed to letting EA have it with both barrels just for fun, but beyond that I decide either to buy something or not and once I've chosen to give something a look I don't sweat the thirty or forty bucks (or more, in the case of something like Empire: Total War, which I've been anxiously awaiting since it was first announced.) Even though I'm not rich (hell, I barely qualify as lower middle class), I still find the money to support the companies that make my hobby possible.
Except EA. John Riccitiello can die in a fire.
Except EA. John Riccitiello can die in a fire.
Downloading a game isn't actually pirating...putting in a DISC and then give it to other people that is pirating...
I don't tend to pirate stuff. I have no need to do so. I buy so few games anyway, that I might aswell pay for them. No to mention I make sure they games are good by waiting a few months before purchasing, or I wait for one of those tasty steam bargains they have now and then. (Woo L4D for 22 euros!)
I don't have too much money no, but I'd rather spend it on games and get a few months worth of entertainment than getting drunk once a month and regretting it the next day.
Speaking of which, anyone seen the 100 euros I lost during the graduation party? I think I lost them near the bar.
I don't have too much money no, but I'd rather spend it on games and get a few months worth of entertainment than getting drunk once a month and regretting it the next day.
Speaking of which, anyone seen the 100 euros I lost during the graduation party? I think I lost them near the bar.
I doubt the motto "I buy the game if I really like it" is followed very often. Like Shamus Young said in his article, there is no game so great that you couldn't find a reason to not pay $60 for it.
Look at some damn reviews for the game or something to figure out if you'd like it.
Look at some damn reviews for the game or something to figure out if you'd like it.
I don't pirate games, music or films. Never have, never will. Yes, I have a decent amount of income to cover my entertainment expenses, but I'm also a law abiding citizen with a crippling inability to do anything remotely illegal. I'm also lazy, and not particularly internet/computer savvy, and thus don't know the best places to find stuff for free. I'm someone who believes that pirating entertainment is not justifiable, because it is not something you need. It is something you want. So if you don't have money to buy lots of games, there's an internet full of flash games out there, some of which are tons of fun, not to mention free MMO's. And if you rent rather than buy, you can save yourself a lot of money.
I especially don't see "try before you buy" as a good validation of piracy. In the case of games, there is a whole world of game reviewers who you can hear the opinions of, most games have demos, and with screenshots and gameplay footage it's not too hard to see which games you are going to like and which you aren't. There's also renting; then you can try a full game without buying it. And I also have a policy about not paying more than £30 for a game unless I really want to play it, so I rarely get games at launch.
It all comes down to being a smarter consumer. If you are smart about what you purchase, where you get your advice and for what price you get your stuff, there's really no need to break the law, in my opinion.
I especially don't see "try before you buy" as a good validation of piracy. In the case of games, there is a whole world of game reviewers who you can hear the opinions of, most games have demos, and with screenshots and gameplay footage it's not too hard to see which games you are going to like and which you aren't. There's also renting; then you can try a full game without buying it. And I also have a policy about not paying more than £30 for a game unless I really want to play it, so I rarely get games at launch.
It all comes down to being a smarter consumer. If you are smart about what you purchase, where you get your advice and for what price you get your stuff, there's really no need to break the law, in my opinion.
I'll admit that occassionally I have strayed into the pirating zone, but I try to buy as many games and movies legally out of respect for the people who made them. Yeah maybe I am being ripped off by paying £50 for a mediocre game, but that pays for someones wages which is cool.
Ultimately, pirating makes me feel bad and a little paranoid about getting caught, so I only do it in rare situations where I need to sample a game before buying.
Ultimately, pirating makes me feel bad and a little paranoid about getting caught, so I only do it in rare situations where I need to sample a game before buying.
That's cool, and I'm not going to criticise you for that, but please explain why, on some occasions, you feel that you "NEED to sample a game before buying"? This is what doesn't make sense to me. What with demos, reviews, screenshots, eBay and all that, I really don't see why anyone would feel the need to pirate a game before they bought it.nova18 said:
I don't support game piracy, but I think the thinking on the pirate's side is:AllHailTheAltmer said:
1. Not every game has a PC demo.
2. Reviews cannot necessarily tell you that you will like the game.
3. Screenshots just show how pretty the game is.
4. eBay and similar sources can have jacked-up prices.
Again, these are just justifications to something I am opposed to morally, but I think I got a grasp of their reasoning.
That totally failed to address my point. Pretend the first part doesn't exist, just read the edit. You'll notice that what I was saying was that I'm okay with pirating, and I don't give half a shit about whether it's stealing or not. It's like wearing skirts (Uber digression), in the USA it's totally acceptably (If you are a girl, and maybe if you are a guy), but in Turkey you get called a whore by men who would probably pay you if he found you in a bar. I probably could do better than that if I wasn't tired...j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
As for it being "convenient", I find find it annoying as hell that I have to spend $1000 for my camcorder, $200 for accessories, $800 for my goddamn computer, and whatever else I might find myself spending. But wait! It doesn't end there, I still have to spend $400+ for software that I could get for free. Would you buy a ring for 700 dollars if you found a perfectly identical one lying outside the shop's entrance? I really hope that your reply is something along the lines of "Yes! I have seen the light. Now excuse me while I go download and seed every PC game on TBP!", because otherwise I have wasted far more time than I would like.
Wait, why would I be laughed into the streets if my videos are good? I was under the impression that people will care more about the skill I exhibit than the means by which I reached them. And I think I accidentally made it seem that I plan on pursuing film making as a career. I just enjoy making short videos on YouTube, I plan on having a job that actually contributes to general welfare.
Well usually Im a good judge of what games I will enjoy and what I wont, but occassionally one of them will bug me. The last game that I got through illegal means was Spore. My mate offered me a cracked copy that he had got from a college friend and I took it because I was unsure as to if I would like it or not. Turns out, I enjoyed it so I deleted the cracked version and brought a copy for £30 from Gamestation.AllHailTheAltmer said:
But I probably wouldnt have brought it if I hadnt played it first cause I had doubts about it.
Then again, I'm mostly a console gamer so I can get legal demos from the PStore or Marketplace.