Topless Women Not Breaking The Law, Says NYPD

[ThreeName]

Down here in Aus, you can get your tits out on the beach. Happens all the time. Some people prefer a consistent tan.

WHO GIVES A SHIT

 

[BreakfastMan]

Gotta say, I heartily support this course of action. Both as a feminist and as, shall we say, a great appreciator of certain aspects of the female form. XD

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

Pics or it didn't happen...
Actually, nevermind. Some people look really bad without shirts.

 

[Beffudled Sheep_v1legacy]

As someone that has a strong distaste for nudity of self and others I won;t be "enjoying" this as some of my fellow males would but I am glad the law is being enforced with equality.
Now if only both genders just decided to always wear clothes. Then I;d be a happy man.

 

[Ryotknife]

Down here in Aus, you can get your tits out on the beach. Happens all the time. Some people prefer a consistent tan.

WHO GIVES A SHIT

technically there are nude (or partially nude) beaches in the US too, but you have to have signs to warn people what they are getting into. And granted there are not many.

There might be nudist colonies as well, although im seeing conflicting reports.

 

[FireAza]

In a joyous moment for gender equality, the NYPD is reminded that women may go topless in any place that allows men to go shirtless.

A joyous moment for men too

But seriously, say this law became commonplace across America. Do you think in say, 100 years time, Americans would no longer see female breasts as sexually arousing? I mean, back in Victorian England, seeing a woman in what we would consider a very conservative bathing suit was considered lewd, so they would bathe surrounded by a tent. Cut to today where woman wear bikinis, an article of clothing that pretty much just covers the nipples and genitals.

This might be a case of "things are sexy because we rarely see them"

There are plenty of societies where it's quite commonplace for women to go topless. I would link the wikipedia article that cites examples, but it has pictures of topless women and might therefore be against forum rules. Look for toplessness on wikipedia if you want to know which societies in particular.

That said, women and men who like men see barechested men all the time and most of them still find male abs/pecs/nipples to be extremely sexy. Have butts become less sexy since it became socially acceptable to wear thongs and other skimpy outfits in public?

Yes, that was my point, you can bet African tribes find our fascination with boobs weird because they seem them all the time.

Unless you're from Brazil or somewhere, I think a lot of people still find butts sexy because, like boobs, you don't see them very much. Both Speedos and bikini bottoms cover this up, and I'd say it's far more common to see someone wearing those instead of a thong.

 

[Darken12]

Unless you're from Brazil or somewhere, I think a lot of people still find butts sexy because, like boobs, you don't see them very much. Both Speedos and bikini bottoms cover this up, and I'd say it's far more common to see someone wearing those instead of a thong.

I'm from Argentina, which is further south, but we share similar cultures with Brazil. There are bare butts everywhere, and people still find them sexy, just like I'm sure those societies with commonplace topless women still find boobs sexy (because we also still find shirtless men sexy, even though we see shirtless men fairly often).

 

[FireAza]

When you say "everywhere", do you mean in places outside of beaches, like just walking down the street in the city? Because if not, that still kinda makes them "rare", like how no one in Western society bats an eye at a woman wearing something that exposes her shoulders and stomach, but places in the Middle East would find this obscene.

Also, there's something to be said for someone who has a particularly nice ass/chest

 

[Erttheking]

I have to say I'm rather pleased with this, there's nothing wrong with-"reads posts.".......Anyone want to tell me how this thread couldn't even get past the first page without a flame war breaking out?

 

[Erttheking]

When you say "everywhere", do you mean in places outside of beaches, like just walking down the street in the city? Because if not, that still kinda makes them "rare", like how no one in Western society bats an eye at a woman wearing something that exposes her shoulders and stomach, but places in the Middle East would find this obscene.

Also, there's something to be said for someone who has a particularly nice ass/chest

When it comes to "where" they said "everywhere where it is acceptable for a man to not have a shirt on." Sorry ladies, no shirt no shoes no service still applies to you.

 

[Darken12]

When you say "everywhere", do you mean in places outside of beaches, like just walking down the street in the city? Because if not, that still kinda makes them "rare", like how no one in Western society bats an eye at a woman wearing something that exposes her shoulders and stomach, but places in the Middle East would find this obscene.

Also, there's something to be said for someone who has a particularly nice ass/chest

Yeah, walking down the street. In the summer, obviously, in case that wasn't clear. It's obviously not something that everyone does (and it's more prevalent with women than with men, for obvious sexist reasons), but it's still pretty popular for young people to walk around with somewhat revealing clothes. Though admittedly it's not as common in the capital city or other non-touristic areas, and it's mainly happening in coastal/touristic towns. That said, we do have a lot of carnivals and parades where women wear this:

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And men wear this:

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And it's not rare, because it's televised everywhere and everyone makes an enormous deal out of how "awesome" it is.

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I have to say I'm rather pleased with this, there's nothing wrong with-"reads posts.".......Anyone want to tell me how this thread couldn't even get past the first page without a flame war breaking out?

Some people think it's not enough to move against one form of societal taboo, that this should have been a movement to destigmatise showing all body parts in public, not just bare breasts. That's, of course, not what this is about. This is about gender equality under the law, not the lewdness of body parts.

 

[MagunBFP]

This is great news for all perverts far and wide... not only will they be able to stare at boobs on the street, if a woman decides to go topless, but in other news since boobs are no longer sexual groping a random woman's boob is no longer sexual assault... at least no more then groping a guys breasts, which is to say objectionable but nothing to make a song and dance about.

Some people think it's not enough to move against one form of societal taboo, that this should have been a movement to destigmatise showing all body parts in public, not just bare breasts. That's, of course, not what this is about. This is about gender equality under the law, not the lewdness of body parts.

Draken, this "breast gender equality" is all about the supposed lewdness of the body parts, even with this affirmation of topless women being legal you will no doubt find very few women take advantage of this freedom because they don't want to show their boobs off to the world. Its a very similar reason to why nude beaches or nudist colony's don't get larger attendances, because despite your "enlightened" view that breasts aren't genitals, that they're just like facial hair on men (ie secondary sexual characteristics) breasts are involved in sex and attraction and are viewed that way by society at large, and for the record yes many woman (who are attracted to woman) find breasts sexually appealing as well so its not just the deviant guys that think that way.

Here's a test for the men in here... imagine your dad... now imagine him topless and you walking down the street with him... now imagine the same thing replacing your dad with your mother...assuming you did that, was it the same? Do you honestly think you would be as comfortable walking down the street with your topless mother, as you would with your topless father?

 

[FireAza]

When it comes to "where" they said "everywhere where it is acceptable for a man to not have a shirt on." Sorry ladies, no shirt no shoes no service still applies to you.

Not talking about the New York case here, talking about Argentina

Yeah, walking down the street. In the summer, obviously, in case that wasn't clear. It's obviously not something that everyone does (and it's more prevalent with women than with men, for obvious sexist reasons), but it's still pretty popular for young people to walk around with somewhat revealing clothes. Though admittedly it's not as common in the capital city or other non-touristic areas, and it's mainly happening in coastal/touristic towns.

Ah, that sounds like pretty much any coastal town really, only with a more Argentinian attitude towards the wearing of thongs

And it's not rare, because it's televised everywhere and everyone makes an enormous deal out of how "awesome" it is.

But if people wore these costumes everyday, do you think they would still make an enormous deal about how "awesome" it is?

 

[Candidus]

I don't know whether this fits the bill for sex equality or not. I don't really care about that aspect.

I don't believe that any individual or group, whether that group is just a mob or calls itself the government, NOBODY has a right to tell anyone how to dress, or that they `must` dress, anywhere at any time or for any reason. So my chief feeling is that although the new liberty concerns just women, it's a step in the right direction for everyone. Any movement toward a society that doesn't criminalize nudity is a good movement.

I'm glad to hear it.

 

[Darken12]

This is great news for all perverts far and wide... not only will they be able to stare at boobs on the street, if a woman decides to go topless, but in other news since boobs are no longer sexual groping a random woman's boob is no longer sexual assault... at least no more then groping a guys breasts, which is to say objectionable but nothing to make a song and dance about.

Groping a man's chest without his consent IS sexual assault. That you don't consider it to be so is more of an example of rape culture at work than a failing with this ruling. A person's body is their own, and it is not public property to grasp for someone's sexual gratification.

Draken, this "breast gender equality" is all about the supposed lewdness of the body parts, even with this affirmation of topless women being legal you will no doubt find very few women take advantage of this freedom because they don't want to show their boobs off to the world.

That is perfectly fine, because it's their choice to make. If a woman wants to go out covered from head to toe, she can. If a woman wants to walk out topless, she also can. She is afforded the same treatment under the eyes of the law as a man, and that's what's ultimately important, not whether it's lewd or not. That's what I've been telling Ryotknife repeatedly. This is about equal treatment by the law, not about whether something is lewd or not. If a woman considers exposing her breasts to be lewd, she doesn't have to do it, but a woman who doesn't agree with that is now able to walk around topless without fear of being arrested by the police.

Do you honestly think you would be as comfortable walking down the street with your topless mother, as you would with your topless father?

Yes.

Ah, that sounds like pretty much any coastal town really, only with a more Argentinian attitude towards the wearing of thongs

I've still seen cases in the capital city, but it's rarer because the kind of people who stay behind in the capital during the summer do so out of work reasons (even poor people leave the city, we had studies about it and everything), and wearing thongs is not really part of most workplace uniforms. And we have some cities that count as both "big population centres" and "tourist town" and you can definitely see this kind of attire there too.

But if people wore these costumes everyday, do you think they would still make an enormous deal about how "awesome" it is?

Yes, because the highest-rated show on public TV for the past 20 years has had these types of outfits every single night:

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And people still consider it the best thing ever. I repeat: the show is over 20 years old. I think it's about as old as I am, and while the racier stuff has only taken hold over the last 10 years, it has still influenced society at large.

 

[FireAza]

But if people wore these costumes everyday, do you think they would still make an enormous deal about how "awesome" it is?

Yes, because the highest-rated show on public TV for the past 20 years has had these types of outfits every single night:

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And people still consider it the best thing ever. I repeat: the show is over 20 years old. I think it's about as old as I am, and while the racier stuff has only taken hold over the last 10 years, it has still influenced society at large.

I'm not talking 20 years, in that timeframe there's still lots of people alive who remember a time before these costumes. I'm talking 100+ years, when the majority of people were born after these costumes came into existence. That would have to cause it to lose some of it's charm, with the rest only remaining because it's not everyday attire. I mean, these days it's common to see photos of women in underwear being used in shop advertisements. That would have been classed as obscene at the beginning of the 20th century.

 

[Combustion Kevin]

YES!
Throw down the oppression of the shirt, let all know and experience the liberation of your chest!

today, shirts, tomorrow, THE REST!

 

[Darken12]

I'm not talking 20 years, in that timeframe there's still lots of people alive who remember a time before these costumes. I'm talking 100+ years, when the majority of people were born after these costumes came into existence. That would have to cause it to lose some of it's charm, with the rest only remaining because it's not everyday attire. I mean, these days it's common to see photos of women in underwear being used in shop advertisements. That would have been classed as obscene at the beginning of the 20th century.

It doesn't matter if there are still people left alive from a time where such views were held, because you already have people who have grown up with that kind of mentality in place. I am one of them. I grew up watching T&A everywhere (as a child, even) and I still think T&A are pretty hot. I also grew up with shirtless dudes and I think bare chests are scorching hot. And my generational peers have the same attitude, if not even more so than me.

If society tells you that you should find something hot, you will probably find it hot. And very often, you will find things hot that society doesn't tell you you should find hot (like, I don't know, feet or shoulders or necks or hair). And sometimes you will find hot things that society actively tells you that you shouldn't find hot (like members of the same gender). And sometimes you won't find hot the things that society will tell you you should find hot!

Sexual attraction is a very complicated thing with no easy rules or answers.

 

[ShipofFools]

Good, release yourself from the dependency on clothes. Show the world how beautiful you truly are, under those carefully arranged layers that hide your self from the rest of the world.

This includes fatties.