Topless Women Not Breaking The Law, Says NYPD

[ThreeName]

technically there are nude (or partially nude) beaches in the US too, but you have to have signs to warn people what they are getting into. And granted there are not many.

There might be nudist colonies as well, although im seeing conflicting reports.

Every beach, not special beaches. Your puritanical stuff over there is weird, bro. I'm pretty sure Europe operates like we do, too.

 

[an annoyed writer]

You do realise that mammaries are not genitals, right? They are secondary sexual characteristics, not primary, and some men (a not insignificant number) have a pretty significant cleavage going on, whether it's because they work out a lot and their pecs are huge or because they're very overweight. And there's no lewdness in a man exposing his breasts in public (which, of course, are just as capable of lactation as women. Male galactorrhea is a well documented condition). So if men are allowed to parade their breasts around as they see fit (and those breasts can have the same size and functionality as a woman's), then I fail to see why it's lewd if women do it.

Damnit Darken, now you're making me thing of Robert "***** Tits" Paulsen from Fight Club.

Now for the original topic? So yay, I guess. I can once again walk around topless in some areas though I'd probably get a lot more stares than before. Not that I'd do that though, because I'd rather have the support and comfort of a good bra.

 

[Darken12]

Im conflicted right now cause I like boobs but i hate stupidity and this is the true stupidity of feminism.First they complain about vidoe games objectifying women by showing to much skin.Then they fight for the right to walk around naked.Its nuts as to how there minds work.I mean show a women in a bikini and your objectifying her but if she wants to walk around topless sure go right ahead she is impowered not sexualized.

If a woman is placed in a bikini in an ad, she's probably placed there by a man, and aimed at men. If a woman wants to walk around topless, she's probably doing it because she wants to, and she doesn't care about what men think.

There is a stark difference there, and it has nothing to do with the superficial and everything to do with who is making the decision in the first place, and who the action is aimed at.

 

[Astoria]

While I'm all for equality and think in theory this is a good idea, I doubt it'll last long. You just know you're gonna get girls complaining of sexual harrassment because guys keep looking at their boobs. That and the politically correct police will be out soon enough crying their usual 'please think of the children' crap.

 

[FireAza]

I'm not talking 20 years, in that timeframe there's still lots of people alive who remember a time before these costumes. I'm talking 100+ years, when the majority of people were born after these costumes came into existence. That would have to cause it to lose some of it's charm, with the rest only remaining because it's not everyday attire. I mean, these days it's common to see photos of women in underwear being used in shop advertisements. That would have been classed as obscene at the beginning of the 20th century.

It doesn't matter if there are still people left alive from a time where such views were held, because you already have people who have grown up with that kind of mentality in place. I am one of them. I grew up watching T&A everywhere (as a child, even) and I still think T&A are pretty hot. I also grew up with shirtless dudes and I think bare chests are scorching hot. And my generational peers have the same attitude, if not even more so than me.

If society tells you that you should find something hot, you will probably find it hot. And very often, you will find things hot that society doesn't tell you you should find hot (like, I don't know, feet or shoulders or necks or hair). And sometimes you will find hot things that society actively tells you that you shouldn't find hot (like members of the same gender). And sometimes you won't find hot the things that society will tell you you should find hot!

Sexual attraction is a very complicated thing with no easy rules or answers.

True point about how society will often influence, people's tastes. I remember reading that a long time ago in Japan, small breasts were considered attractive and women withe larger breasts were seen as disgusting. Now, possibly due to the influence of Western culture, large boobs are popular.

Again though, I still say that what's considered obscene changes as time goes on and people loosen up. And also that if you were exposed to something on a constant basis (i.e the topless tribal women in Africa) it would lose much of it's excitement.

 

[Darken12]

Again though, I still say that what's considered obscene changes as time goes on and people loosen up. And also that if you were exposed to something on a constant basis (i.e the topless tribal women in Africa) it would lose much of it's excitement.

That is part of sexuality and sexual appeal, but it doesn't really define it, or lets you extrapolate enough to make accurate predictions. I'm not saying that you're wrong, only that it's not the be all and end all of the subject.

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

Im conflicted right now cause I like boobs but i hate stupidity and this is the true stupidity of feminism.First they complain about vidoe games objectifying women by showing to much skin.Then they fight for the right to walk around naked.Its nuts as to how there minds work.I mean show a women in a bikini and your objectifying her but if she wants to walk around topless sure go right ahead she is impowered not sexualized.

If a woman is placed in a bikini in an ad, she's probably placed there by a man, and aimed at men. If a woman wants to walk around topless, she's probably doing it because she wants to, and she doesn't care about what men think.

There is a stark difference there, and it has nothing to do with the superficial and everything to do with who is making the decision in the first place, and who the action is aimed at.

A man puts a women in a bikini for an ad thats bad.If a women puts a women in an ad thats fine.Wow that doesnt sound very EQUAL and it doesnt matter who its aimed at.Its like doesnt the women have the right to chose wether she wants to be in the ad or not.Cause thats kinda how it works no one forces these women to do this.

I went to see the movie pain and gain a while back and there is a scene were the rock takes off his shirt.As soon as he did pretty much every women in the theater started hollering and whistling and wisper to each other how he was sexy.I know they did cause they were loud.Is this objectifying men?Course not its a power fantasy of men wanting to see a shirtless dwayne johnson right.

Cause I know when i go see a movie my first thought is i that i realy hope a big muscle man takes off his shirt soon.You can say all day you want equality but you just want special treatment.

 

[FireAza]

Again though, I still say that what's considered obscene changes as time goes on and people loosen up. And also that if you were exposed to something on a constant basis (i.e the topless tribal women in Africa) it would lose much of it's excitement.

That is part of sexuality and sexual appeal, but it doesn't really define it, or lets you extrapolate enough to make accurate predictions. I'm not saying that you're wrong, only that it's not the be all and end all of the subject.

Hmmmm, I guess it could be seen as less "constant exposure = less sexy" and more a combination of the two. The aforementioned African tribes don't view boobs are sexy, because that's part of their culture, but that thinking might have come about since every woman has them hangin' out since they never thought they needed to cover them up.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

A man puts a women in a bikini for an ad thats bad.If a women puts a women in an ad thats fine.

The gender of the person putting the woman in the bikini is irrelevant. The fact shes being PUT into the bikini as opposed to putting ON the bikini is the issue. Its also context dependant. If the scene is a scene where a woman would WANT to wear a bikini and the character has a real reason to want to wear it then it makes sense. Like at the beach or whatever. Its when its really random and out of the blue. Like a totally odd bikini fighting woman or whatever like in Ninja Gaiden. It doesnt make sense, theres NO other motive for wanting to put her in a bikini other than to let people gawp at her. I havnt seen the movie, but does the shirt scene make sense? Is it totally weird to take off his top. Like is he in a business meeting and he just rips off his top? Thats how weird some of the female costumes/actions are in games and movies. Its like WTF weird placement. That ninja samurai bikini girls game was a good example of this.

The purpose of this law is that if its hot as fucking balls outside a woman can take off her top to cool off or at the beach. That seems fine to me. Its not extra rights to want to not be hot as balls. If a dude takes off his top and its NOT hot as balls and hes just being weird ill think hes weird. If a woman does the same ill think shes weird. Its context dependant people. No ones saying a woman should be able to just strip off whenever without social judgement. No one should. But when theres a legit reason to want to be topless like its scorching as fuck it shouldnt be illegal to remove your top if guys can do it to escape the heat. Its only fair.

Also Darken is a bloke mate. He doesnt want extra rights for HIMSELF so thats not his motivation. Ten bucks says i hear the word whiteknight though.

 

[Kaxbe]

The "topless woman" law thing was actually a pretty old law, I thought. I remember reading about a woman who knew about the law and exercised her right to be topless and then was arrested only to be released within an hour after it was proven that she wasn't really breaking any laws. Pretty sure that was last year.

 

[Darken12]

A man puts a women in a bikini for an ad thats bad.If a women puts a women in an ad thats fine.Wow that doesnt sound very EQUAL and it doesnt matter who its aimed at.Its like doesnt the women have the right to chose wether she wants to be in the ad or not.Cause thats kinda how it works no one forces these women to do this.

First of all, nobody's crying for torches and pitchforks on objectification. A lot of people don't like objectification, or consider it to be problematic, or consider it's only problematic when it's done unequally (objectifying women but not men), or consider it's only problematic when the person being objectified is not given agency or power. There are a lot of things to discuss when it comes to sexualisation and objectification (which are also not the same thing), so it would be nice if you didn't automatically assume that everyone who is critical of objectification simplistically says "objectification is bad", because that's not really a fair treatment of the subject.

Second of all, if a woman objectifies another woman (or herself) for the sake of a male audience, she's just as guilty of objectification as if she was a man making those decisions. That's why I emphasised in my reply to you that it was important to distinguish who the decision was aimed at. If a woman wants to walk around topless because she wants to objectify herself, that's completely different from the woman who wants to walk around topless for the same reasons that men want to walk around shirtless (because it's hot, because it's more comfortable, because she wants to get an even tan, etc). That second reason has nothing to do with objectification.

I went to see the movie pain and gain a while back and there is a scene were the rock takes off his shirt.As soon as he did pretty much every women in the theater started hollering and whistling and wisper to each other how he was sexy.I know they did cause they were loud.Is this objectifying men?Course not its a power fantasy of men wanting to see a shirtless dwayne johnson right.

Cause I know when i go see a movie my first thought is i that i realy hope a big muscle man takes off his shirt soon.You can say all day you want equality but you just want special treatment.

That actually depends very much on what the film maker's intention was. If he was deliberately trying to please the women in the audience, you would have a point. But let me tell you, most people who watch boxing and wrestling (activities where most men are shirtless and deliberately show off their muscles) are straight men. Most people who watch action movies with shirtless, muscled male protagonists are straight men. So yeah, most men do enjoy watching muscled shirtless men and projecting themselves onto those characters, because it very much is a power fantasy for them.

Hmmmm, I guess it could be seen as less "constant exposure = less sexy" and more a combination of the two. The aforementioned African tribes don't view boobs are sexy, because that's part of their culture, but that thinking might have come about since every woman has them hangin' out since they never thought they needed to cover them up.

They actually do see boobs as sexy. That was the point I was making. It's not as simple as saying "we covet what we don't see because of the exotic factor". That isn't wrong, it's very much true, but it's not all there is to sexuality. Again, you see it in Western society where male shirtlessness is very common, even outside beaches, and people still find men baring their chests as extremely hot. Hell, there is a huge part of sexuality that is about sexualising people IN clothes, not without them. A great deal of people (I would even say a vast majority) find people hotter when wearing specific items of clothing than completely naked.

 

[Caiphus]

There's no excuse now, ladies.

I demand a feminist protest celebrating this achievement outside my house within the hour.
I don't care if it's cold, that just makes it better

 

[Zanderinfal]

That's really cool, says I, not out of being a pervert but out of thinking that the human body should be celebrated rather then always hidden. And lets be honest, the boobs aren't really that explicit. They are used to feed children. Not like they are like the OTHER spot. I think this is a step in the right direction of equal rights.

 

[Genocidicles]

I hope this never spreads beyond New York. I don't want to see saggy old lady boobs.

I'd rather everyone just cover up to be honest. At least it's fair that way, and I don't have to see anything I don't want to see.

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

A man puts a women in a bikini for an ad thats bad.If a women puts a women in an ad thats fine.

The gender of the person putting the woman in the bikini is irrelevant. The fact shes being PUT into the bikini as opposed to putting ON the bikini is the issue. Its also context dependant. If the scene is a scene where a woman would WANT to wear a bikini and the character has a real reason to want to wear it then it makes sense. Like at the beach or whatever. Its when its really random and out of the blue. Like a totally odd bikini fighting woman or whatever like in Ninja Gaiden. It doesnt make sense, theres NO other motive for wanting to put her in a bikini other than to let people gawp at her. I havnt seen the movie, but does the shirt scene make sense? Is it totally weird to take off his top. Like is he in a business meeting and he just rips off his top? Thats how weird some of the female costumes/actions are in games and movies. Its like WTF weird placement. That ninja samurai bikini girls game was a good example of this.

The purpose of this law is that if its hot as fucking balls outside a woman can take off her top to cool off or at the beach. That seems fine to me. Its not extra rights to want to not be hot as balls. If a dude takes off his top and its NOT hot as balls and hes just being weird ill think hes weird. If a woman does the same ill think shes weird. Its context dependant people. No ones saying a woman should be able to just strip off whenever without social judgement. No one should. But when theres a legit reason to want to be topless like its scorching as fuck it shouldnt be illegal to remove your top if guys can do it to escape the heat. Its only fair.

Also Darken is a bloke mate. He doesnt want extra rights for HIMSELF so thats not his motivation. Ten bucks says i hear the word whiteknight though.

If gender of the person putting the women in the bikini wasnt relevant it wouldnt have been mentioned.Also being put into a bikini as oppose to putting on a bikini?Could you explain?You mean like its not her choice cause it is.

And how do you know what the women wanted to do?Maby she likes fighting in a bikini who are you to say its not apart of her character.You know the character they made who they have a right to make it however they want.If they wanted to dress her in a Klan suit the whole game its there right to do so.You could say well it happens all the time.Thats doesnt make it bad it just means it exists.Also not everything has to makes since or be some incredibly deep(and usualy depressing)narrative.Bikini girls fighting ninjas is just fun and if feminist dont like it then it maby gaming isnt for them.

By that that logic i can also remove my pants if it gets hot.You see these laws arent there to restrict rights cause you can walk around topless all day in your house its about public decency.You could argue men can take there shirts off in public but women cant and thats unfair.But its not the same thing.

Men dont have boobs.And i dont wanna hear how a fat guy also has boobs cause it aint the same thing.Im going to assume your a straight man and like womens boobs.What about a mans boobs?How bout your a lesbian you liken the fatmans boobs yet.So you agree that there different?No?Why not?Boobs are boobs arent they?

 

[Darken12]

Men dont have boobs.And i dont wanna hear how a fat guy also has boobs cause it aint the same thing.

Men have breasts. They are physiologically exactly the same as women's, and have the same capacity to lactate. Galactorrhea (unwanted lactation) in men is actually a condition that is not unheard of. It's not very difficult for a man to have bigger breasts than a woman, especially if the man is overweight and the woman is skinny, or if the woman is on a very low-fat diet and the man has an above-average level of oestrogen (which is actually a side-effect of an increase in androgens, so men who suffer an increase in androgens also suffer an increase in oestrogen unless they specifically take anti-oestrogen medication (this happens in women too), and it's due to an enzyme called aromatase, which converts testosterone into estradiol).

Scientifically, male breasts and female breasts are very much the same thing.

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

Men dont have boobs.And i dont wanna hear how a fat guy also has boobs cause it aint the same thing.

Men have breasts. They are physiologically exactly the same as women's, and have the same capacity to lactate. Galactorrhea (unwanted lactation) in men is actually a condition that is not unheard of. It's not very difficult for a man to have bigger breasts than a woman, especially if the man is overweight and the woman is skinny, or if the woman is on a very low-fat diet and the man has an above-average level of oestrogen (which is actually a side-effect of an increase in androgens, so men who suffer an increase in androgens also suffer an increase in oestrogen unless they specifically take anti-oestrogen medication (this happens in women too), and it's due to an enzyme called aromatase, which converts testosterone into estradiol).

Scientifically, male breasts and female breasts are very much the same thing.

So im going to assume you are a straight male and also assume you like a womens breast.Well do you like a mans breast aswell.If not why?Scientfically there the same thing.

 

[Darken12]

So im going to assume you are a straight male and also assume you like a womens breast.Well do you like a mans breast aswell.If not why?Scientfically there the same thing.

Bisexual male, though I prefer pecs, rather than full-on breasts, in both men and women.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

If women want to have their tops off, why not. It's not like it makes it socially acceptable just because it's legal. At best, yay, tits. At worst, it's not quite as bad as spitting and smoking in my opinion. If you'd see this erased because old women might go around with their terrible saggy tits, well, fat/hairy guys (me being the hairy type) are free to go around topless as well and that's not particularly pleasant either. Not many do, but they can. So all or none, I say, and as little as I like seeing most people topless, I'd rather err on the side of freedom. And besides, when I go to the top of my driveway topless to take the bin down I don't want my neighbors reporting me to the police.

 

[The Code]

I'm just wondering if we'll see comments like "Nice tits!" become a commonly accepted compliment.