Topless Women Not Breaking The Law, Says NYPD

[Tr3yk1ng]

So im going to assume you are a straight male and also assume you like a womens breast.Well do you like a mans breast aswell.If not why?Scientfically there the same thing.

Bisexual male, though I prefer pecs, rather than full-on breasts, in both men and women.

You know i knew you would say that.I was just thinking if i wanted to prove me wrong id tell him almost exactly what you said.Im not trying to offend but its suspicious.But what i said still holds true you could say there the same biologicaly but physically there different.

 

[Undomesticated Equine]

Hopefully women will make use of their new rights and take to the streets without their tops halves clothed. Would be nice to see .

 

[Thaluikhain]

technically there are nude (or partially nude) beaches in the US too, but you have to have signs to warn people what they are getting into. And granted there are not many.

There might be nudist colonies as well, although im seeing conflicting reports.

Every beach, not special beaches. Your puritanical stuff over there is weird, bro. I'm pretty sure Europe operates like we do, too.

Hey what? Since when?

Ok, I almost never go to beaches now, but I did when I was younger, and this never seemed to be the case.

(Follow up question, how do you define "beach"? How far from the water does the rule apply?)

 

[Darken12]

You know i knew you would say that.I was just thinking if i wanted to prove me wrong id tell him almost exactly what you said.Im not trying to offend but its suspicious.But what i said still holds true you could say there the same biologicaly but physically there different.

Right, because I can't possibly like female bodybuilders and athletes over what society considers traditionally attractive. I like physically strong, muscled women, and skinny women with large breasts do absolutely nothing for me.

Also, straight men don't like disembodied breasts. They like women. They're not going to like men with breasts because they're attracted to women. Men can like asses, legs, arms, feet, shoulders, eyes, any part of a person's anatomy. But if they're straight, they're going to only like those features on women.

Let me give you a practical example. If you're a straight man who really likes blue eyes, you're going to like this:

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But not this:

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No matter how much you absolutely love blue eyes in general. And, in case it needs to be said, both genders have physiologically identical eyes.

 

[Queen Michael]

Thank you. Finally. This has been needed for a long time, and I'm glad that they got around to it.

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

You know i knew you would say that.I was just thinking if i wanted to prove me wrong id tell him almost exactly what you said.Im not trying to offend but its suspicious.But what i said still holds true you could say there the same biologicaly but physically there different.

Right, because I can't possibly like female bodybuilders and athletes over what society considers traditionally attractive. I like physically strong, muscled women, and skinny women with large breasts do absolutely nothing for me.

Also, straight men don't like disembodied breasts. They like women. They're not going to like men with breasts because they're attracted to women (who have breasts). Men can like asses, legs, arms, feet, shoulders, eyes, any part of the female anatomy. But if they're straight, they're going to only like those features on women.

Let me give you a practical example. If you're a man who REALLY likes blue eyes, you're going to love this:

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But not this:

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No matter how much you absolutely love blue eyes in general. And, in case it needs to be said, both genders have physiologically identical eyes.

I never said anything about you likeing muscled women.And have you ever seen a man with a body like serena williams i dont think so.What about a women with a body like jay cutler.No ya havent cause men and women are physically different our bodies arent the same.A mans boobs arent the same as a womens even if they are biologically indifferent.

 

[Lieju]

In a joyous moment for gender equality, the NYPD is reminded that women may go topless in any place that allows men to go shirtless.

A joyous moment for men too

But seriously, say this law became commonplace across America. Do you think in say, 100 years time, Americans would no longer see female breasts as sexually arousing? I mean, back in Victorian England, seeing a woman in what we would consider a very conservative bathing suit was considered lewd, so they would bathe surrounded by a tent. Cut to today where woman wear bikinis, an article of clothing that pretty much just covers the nipples and genitals.

This might be a case of "things are sexy because we rarely see them"

I agree with that.

I find breasts sexy, but not just when they're all there,visible and naked.
Leaving things to imagination is just sexier.

But then again I see stuff like that regularly. For example there was a recent course in university where we looked at a lot of pictures of naked people. It stops being sexy pretty quickly.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

I think pretending that women's breasts and men's breasts are the same thing is beyond idiotic. I guess this is just where I get off the PC train.

 

[Darken12]

I never said anything about you likeing muscled women.And have you ever seen a man with a body like serena williams i dont think so.What about a women with a body like jay cutler.No ya havent cause men and women are physically different our bodies arent the same.A mans boobs arent the same as a womens even if they are biologically indifferent.

Everyone has different body types. Nobody has the same body as Serena Williams. Not even her sister. There are women who can get pretty close to Jay Cutler's bulk (example [http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=141518.0;attach=495439;image], example [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/33/Nikki_Fuller.jpg/220px-Nikki_Fuller.jpg]), and there are men who could look similar to Serena Williams (as I'm sure she has her fair share of imitators and impersonators, and some of them are male).

But nobody can be exactly like another person. Not even identical twins have the same fingerprints (and they also differ in other, more visible details). People's bodies are extremely complex and are affected, biologically, by a multitude of factors. Genetic expression (and even genetic structure itself) is a very delicate, mutable thing; and things we consider to be unchangeable (such as men being bigger and more muscled than women) can be changed on a biological level by modifying environmental conditions that affect genetic expression.

A man's breasts are the same as a woman's, we just make a big deal about it because of tradtionalism. We used to make a big deal about women showing their stomachs, or their shoulders, or their bikini-clad asses, or their legs, or their arms, or their faces. And in some parts of the world, those things are still considered obscene to show. It's not about biology. It's about societal constructs and traditions.

 

[Thaluikhain]

The idea of a rigid gender binary is a myth. It's a popular myth throughout much of the western world, but that's it.

Now, if western society has been constructed such that the sight of female breasts will cause it to fail...actually, that's not that much of an exaggeration, ask Janet Jackson. But, really, that's something to be grown out of, not swept under teh rug.

 

[DJjaffacake]

technically there are nude (or partially nude) beaches in the US too, but you have to have signs to warn people what they are getting into. And granted there are not many.

There might be nudist colonies as well, although im seeing conflicting reports.

Every beach, not special beaches. Your puritanical stuff over there is weird, bro. I'm pretty sure Europe operates like we do, too.

Hey what? Since when?

Ok, I almost never go to beaches now, but I did when I was younger, and this never seemed to be the case.

(Follow up question, how do you define "beach"? How far from the water does the rule apply?)

I've seen women on beaches topless in France and Italy, so I guess it's more of a southern continental Europe thing than a Europe in general thing.

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

I never said anything about you likeing muscled women.And have you ever seen a man with a body like serena williams i dont think so.What about a women with a body like jay cutler.No ya havent cause men and women are physically different our bodies arent the same.A mans boobs arent the same as a womens even if they are biologically indifferent.

Everyone has different body types. Nobody has the same body as Serena Williams. Not even her sister. There are women who can get pretty close to Jay Cutler's bulk (example [http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=141518.0;attach=495439;image], example [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/33/Nikki_Fuller.jpg/220px-Nikki_Fuller.jpg]), and there are men who could look similar to Serena Williams (as I'm sure she has her fair share of imitators and impersonators, and some of them are male).

But nobody can be exactly like another person. Not even identical twins have the same fingerprints (and they also differ in other, more visible details). People's bodies are extremely complex and are affected, biologically, by a multitude of factors. Genetic expression (and even genetic structure itself) is a very delicate, mutable thing; and things we consider to be unchangeable (such as men being bigger and more muscled than women) can be changed on a biological level by modifying environmental conditions that affect genetic expression.

A man's breasts are the same as a woman's, we just make a big deal about it because of tradtionalism. We used to make a big deal about women showing their stomachs, or their shoulders, or their bikini-clad asses, or their legs, or their arms, or their faces. And in some parts of the world, those things are still considered obscene to show. It's not about biology. It's about societal constructs and traditions.

Well first neither of these women are near as big as jay cutler he is 300 pounds and not even the biggest around not even near it.Second i wanna see the serena williams bodied man.And third look up virtually any record such as highet jump,fastest sprint,stongest lift(thats not in a female only category)your gonna find a mans name.Its nothing to be ashamed of either its just nature.You see the female t-rex was larger and stronger than the males same is true for the black widow spider.Its just fact.I hear a females brain is better at multitasking im not upset its just the way it is.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

By that that logic i can also remove my pants if it gets hot.You see these laws arent there to restrict rights cause you can walk around topless all day in your house its about public decency.You could argue men can take there shirts off in public but women cant and thats unfair.But its not the same thing.

Men dont have boobs.And i dont wanna hear how a fat guy also has boobs cause it aint the same thing.Im going to assume your a straight man and like womens boobs.What about a mans boobs?How bout your a lesbian you liken the fatmans boobs yet.So you agree that there different?No?Why not?Boobs are boobs arent they?

I think pretending that women's breasts and men's breasts are the same thing is beyond idiotic. I guess this is just where I get off the PC train.

Lets drop the women in games thing, mostly because my post got enormous when i typed it and secondly because its WAY off topic.

I agree they are different in terms of how they look on average. Yes.

But that doesnt really matter in terms of rights. See i find womens forearms pretty attractive. Most guys dont. Like the breasts the forearms are not a sexual organ. You do not use them for sex. People LIKE breasts yes, much like i like forearms. But just because i like something on a woman that doesnt mean she should cover it up. Thats silly. Even if EVERYONE liked womens forearms thats our problem not theirs. I can get over having something attractive being shown to me, it wont cause me to freak out and it doesnt hurt anyone. Im an adult. I can control myself. And just because i enjoy forearms i cant get mad when women have them out.

Im fine having sex organs illegal to show in public. But boobs arnt a sex organ. It seems weird to want to stop women showing their chests because they are lumpy and we find them hot. Women find our chests hot too and they dont complain we can be topless, so lets offer them the same. Sure the average physical difference is there but why does it matter really?

 

[Darken12]

Well first neither of these women are near as big as jay cutler he is 300 pounds and not even the biggest around not even near it.Second i wanna see the serena williams bodied man.And third look up virtually any record such as highet jump,fastest sprint,stongest lift(thats not in a female only category)your gonna find a mans name.Its nothing to be ashamed of either its just nature.You see the female t-rex was larger and stronger than the males same is true for the black widow spider.Its just fact.I hear a females brain is better at multitasking im not upset its just the way it is.

Since I come across this exact mentality, I offer you what I offer everyone who says something like that, to avoid derailing the thread further: there are studies that show that the difference in physical potential between men and women is largely environmental (due to child-rearing and cultural ideals), and therefore it is very possible that women can reach the same potential as men if we changed the way we rear children.

So if you want to continue this line of discussion, please let's take it to PMs.

The idea of a rigid gender binary is a myth. It's a popular myth throughout much of the western world, but that's it.

I could not possibly agree more.

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

By that that logic i can also remove my pants if it gets hot.You see these laws arent there to restrict rights cause you can walk around topless all day in your house its about public decency.You could argue men can take there shirts off in public but women cant and thats unfair.But its not the same thing.

Men dont have boobs.And i dont wanna hear how a fat guy also has boobs cause it aint the same thing.Im going to assume your a straight man and like womens boobs.What about a mans boobs?How bout your a lesbian you liken the fatmans boobs yet.So you agree that there different?No?Why not?Boobs are boobs arent they?

I think pretending that women's breasts and men's breasts are the same thing is beyond idiotic. I guess this is just where I get off the PC train.

Lets drop the women in games thing, mostly because my post got enormous when i typed it and secondly because its WAY off topic.

I agree they are different in terms of how they look on average. Yes.

But that doesnt really matter in terms of rights. See i find womens forearms pretty attractive. Most guys dont. Like the breasts the forearms are not a sexual organ. You do not use them for sex. People LIKE breasts yes, much like i like forearms. But just because i like something on a woman that doesnt mean she should cover it up. Thats silly. Even if EVERYONE liked womens forearms thats our problem not theirs. I can get over having something attractive being shown to me, it wont cause me to freak out and it doesnt hurt anyone. Im an adult. I can control myself. And just because i enjoy forearms i cant get mad when women have them out.

Im fine having sex organs illegal to show in public. But boobs arnt a sex organ. It seems weird to want to stop women showing their chests because they are lumpy and we find them hot. Women find our chests hot too and they dont complain we can be topless, so lets offer them the same. Sure the average physical difference is there but why does it matter really?

Forearms?Just curious what you like forearms for lol.and the reason i brought up gameing is to point out the stupidity of feminist going look a women(who is not real)in a bikini thats so offensive but hey lets all take our shirts off and pretend were not just strippers who dont get paid and that its realy impowering.Alright here is a question why is it ok to show boobs but not vagina?Because its sex organs?Why does that matter?No real reason its all about decency.There is no other reason we cant walk around completely naked(other than cold or something).I got another question would you let your girlfriend walk around topless.You might be cool with it not me however.

 

[Something Amyss]

Im just thinking how traumatized males are going to be when they see an elderly woman whose breasts point all the way south.

I hope the psych ward in NYC has plenty of room!

Maybe they might actually be forced to grow up and deal with the human body.

Especially since New Yorkers already have to see old dudes with saggy moobs and beer guts that go down to their knees.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Forearms?Just curious what you like forearms for lol.and the reason i brought up gameing is to point out the stupidity of feminist going look a women(who is not real)in a bikini thats so offensive but hey lets all take our shirts off and pretend were not just strippers who dont get paid and that its realy impowering.Alright here is a question why is it ok to show boobs but not vagina?Because its sex organs?Why does that matter?No real reason its all about decency.There is no other reason we cant walk around completely naked(other than cold or something).I got another question would you let your girlfriend walk around topless.You might be cool with it not me however.

No idea, its a weird thing ive just always had. It doesnt bother me really though, i dont walk around constantly turned on because women have their arms out. The context isnt sexual.

To be honest there isnt any practical reason why not. Its weird and random and cultural and ive learned to dislike the idea from my parents. Its a tradition, which is a shit reason to do anything really but every civilisation since forever has them so its easier to try and manage them to not be harmful than get rid of them altogether. But i figure if we have weird random traditions lets make em apply to everyone the same way. Otherwise its just not fair. Not to mention there are practical reasons to remove your shirt. Like heat, getting stuff on the shirt and stuff. These things CAN apply to underwear too but not as many to be honest.

She can do as she wishes? How do you STOP your girlfriend if she wanted to? Physically STOP her? Threaten to break up? Tell her not to? I dont command my girlfriend. She can do as she pleases, it doesnt hurt anyone.

 

[Darken12]

would you [HEADING=3]let[/HEADING] your girlfriend walk around topless

Now I suddenly understand why this is all so hard to understand for you. If you consider that a man needs to let a woman do whatever she wants with her body, this is clearly far too advanced on the "respecting women" ladder. You need to start with the basics instead.

 

[Thaluikhain]

The only opinion I have is to chuckle a bit awt the dissonance.

Real life: "Yay I can wear less clothing!"

Gaming: "Damnit she needs to put more cloths on!"

This only applies where men are allowed to be topless apparently. People tend not to complain about half or totally naked women in games when the men aren't wearing more.