Truly Great FPS's
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I think that's a bit of a stretch saying that COD4 is the best ever. I'd put the original Call of Duty in my top 5-6 best FPSes; it is certainly my favorite WWII shooter, but when the fourth installment rolled around, I felt that it was really wanting in terms of kinetic sensation and set-piece spectacle in comparison to the first. You're preaching to the choir in terms of PC supremacy in the genre, thoughPwnStar said:
. I don't think that its any coincidence that game quality, especially in the FPS genre, started to take a precipitous drop around 2002.So many FPS scrubs in this thread...
Anways, for great FPS I'll go with Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Doom 2, Half-Life, Half-Life 2, Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, Unreal Tournament '99, Unreal Tournament 2004, Duke Nukem 3D, System Shock 2, Call of Duty, Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, Team Fortress Classic, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead, Quake, Quake 2, Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, Counter-Strike 1.6, Counter-Strike Source, Day of Defeat, Day of Defeat Source, Deus Ex, STALKER...
Games that are good but not great include Crysis, Goldeneye (oh shit!), the Halo series, Call of Duty 2, Farcry, FEAR, and a few others I probably can't remember.
Anyways, that's just the opinions of someone who has been playing FPS for the past 16 years....
Anways, for great FPS I'll go with Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Doom 2, Half-Life, Half-Life 2, Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, Unreal Tournament '99, Unreal Tournament 2004, Duke Nukem 3D, System Shock 2, Call of Duty, Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, Team Fortress Classic, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead, Quake, Quake 2, Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, Counter-Strike 1.6, Counter-Strike Source, Day of Defeat, Day of Defeat Source, Deus Ex, STALKER...
Games that are good but not great include Crysis, Goldeneye (oh shit!), the Halo series, Call of Duty 2, Farcry, FEAR, and a few others I probably can't remember.
Anyways, that's just the opinions of someone who has been playing FPS for the past 16 years....
I think you got the order wrong, haha.
But seriously: yeah, Quake, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament Perfect Dark, etc. are all fairly excellent, but they're also fairly generic extant one or two innovations each (Quake was in full 3D, UT pioneered the area shooters, etc). Hence my not including them on the list. Allow me to explain further.
Quake: was graphically cutting-edge but also problematic; id had done little to advance DOOM or DOOM II's gameplay, causing many to defect to other FPSses like Duke Nukem 3D. The beginning of the end for id, who couldn't recapture their pre-Quake stranglehold on the PC shooter marketplace.
Counter-Strike: an enduring classic, but those wetting their pants over this skillful HL mod were in the minority. Accessibility was a big issue: while CS had "l33t" appeal, most gamers I knew just didn't have the time to sink in to getting their online play to a respectable level. That's a problem for CS, not a badge of hardcore honour - oh yeah, and the technology was naturally derivative of HL, too.
Perfect Dark: as console shooters go it's the most exhaustive, but not the best - that honour goes to GoldenEye. Bots or no, there were a slew of problems with PD: it was grainy, had slowdown issues, required an expansion pak and on the whole just didn't seem nearly as inspired as Rare's earlier effort (and some of the weapons actually detracted from the gameplay).
Battlefield 1942: I haven't played it much, so I'm not really qualified to give an opinion.
And, admittedly, it may be too early for the verdict to be out on BioShock...
Dude, you're an idiot, whether you single-handedly developed DOOM or no.
Half-Life. Others explained why.
Far Cry. As no one picked this, explanation might be necessary. Great AI, great maps, one of the few games with non-linear, great combination of stealth and action,great story,
Halo. Okay, I wasn't sure about picking Halo as a "truly great FPS" but whatever, let's pick it anyway. It was a very fun game and I enjoyed it very much. It doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.
Republic Commando. Kinda same as above.
Far Cry. As no one picked this, explanation might be necessary. Great AI, great maps, one of the few games with non-linear, great combination of stealth and action,
Halo. Okay, I wasn't sure about picking Halo as a "truly great FPS" but whatever, let's pick it anyway. It was a very fun game and I enjoyed it very much. It doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.
Republic Commando. Kinda same as above.
Turok 2 was great. Had some truly awesome weapons, good boss fights and some intricate, interesting locations. Granted, it was a bit linear and repetetive, it had some things working for it.AfricanSwallow said:
No one mentioned Redneck Rampage? Aww I loved that game, didn't make any sense but who gives a damn!
Any FPS by Valve.
Also, ones I haven't seen crop up too often in this thread, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and Timesplitters, especially Timesplitters.
I'm quite surprised it's had little mention. Personally, I think it takes some of the best bits of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark (which, to the best of my knowledge a group of developers who worked on Timesplitters also worked on both those games), the campaign mode of the second and third were top notch in terms of gameplay (although I admit they suffered from having very little in the second to only some almost random plot in the third), the arcade mode was incredibly fun and it was good to see bots, however stupid they were, to be in a game's arcade mode, and it had a pretty decent mapmaker in all three games which gradually got better and more developed. I still occasionally take out my PS2 to play on them, especially the second because even to this day I've been unable to complete the campaign missions on hard (Managed to finally do Siberia on hard after much trial and error though, and I've heard by many people's opinions this was one of the hardest levels in the game, if not THE hardest).
My next favourite will have to be Call of Duty 4, simply because of a well thought out control scheme on both console and PC (Although surprisingly I found the preset console controls much easier than the preset PC controls), and it's blend of gameplay and storytelling is surperb and that technique should be used in a lot of other games. I hope Modern Warfare 2 doesn't mess up everything the studio learnt in its transition from the previous CoD games to the fourth installment. I feel so ashamed that I sold the copy I had for my 360 to someone a while back. I wish I could play it again now, especially online.
Halo is also up their with my favourite games. I habour the bitter hatred towards the second game that even a lot of fans I know have, and personally the third one was mostly an unenjoyable experience, both in single and multiplayer. However, the first game I found strangely addictive. I couldn't care less for the story in the game, since I was too busy shooting and driving to care what Cortana had to say, and the way the story was given to the player made it seem like more of an afterthought than an original idea for the game. However, I found the combat sequences, if a little slow because of Master Chief's criminally slow snail pace of a walking speed, genuinely enjoyable at the time and still love going on the game randomly to relive some of those experiences. Even better though is the multiplayer on the PC version. A good 8v8 on Blood Gulch with Warthogs, Scorpions, Ghosts, rockets, grenades and bullets flying everywhere is always fun.
Like I assume most people had done the same, I greatly enjoyed Painkiller at Yahtzee's recommendation. Great going back to Doom-styled gameplay, same reason I love games series like Unreal Tournament and Quake with their similar styles. Only one thing I want, and that's a mod which adds tits and fire to the lightning and shuriken gun.
I quite like the title of this thread since it uses FPS as a plural, so I don't feel like I'm off topic by stating why I like many different FPS games. I doubt there will ever be one true, definitive FPS game that fits everyone's enjoyment as the whole idea of the FPS genre is down to opinion, either you like that style of game, or you don't. Although I'm certain a combonation between Unreal Tournament, Half Life and Timesplitters would be very close to that.
Other FPS games that I simply don't have time to describe why I like them so much more over others:
STALKER series
Postal 2
Tribes (Specifically Tribes:Vengeance)
There are possibly others I've missed, but oh well.
Also, ones I haven't seen crop up too often in this thread, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and Timesplitters, especially Timesplitters.
I'm quite surprised it's had little mention. Personally, I think it takes some of the best bits of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark (which, to the best of my knowledge a group of developers who worked on Timesplitters also worked on both those games), the campaign mode of the second and third were top notch in terms of gameplay (although I admit they suffered from having very little in the second to only some almost random plot in the third), the arcade mode was incredibly fun and it was good to see bots, however stupid they were, to be in a game's arcade mode, and it had a pretty decent mapmaker in all three games which gradually got better and more developed. I still occasionally take out my PS2 to play on them, especially the second because even to this day I've been unable to complete the campaign missions on hard (Managed to finally do Siberia on hard after much trial and error though, and I've heard by many people's opinions this was one of the hardest levels in the game, if not THE hardest).
My next favourite will have to be Call of Duty 4, simply because of a well thought out control scheme on both console and PC (Although surprisingly I found the preset console controls much easier than the preset PC controls), and it's blend of gameplay and storytelling is surperb and that technique should be used in a lot of other games. I hope Modern Warfare 2 doesn't mess up everything the studio learnt in its transition from the previous CoD games to the fourth installment. I feel so ashamed that I sold the copy I had for my 360 to someone a while back. I wish I could play it again now, especially online.
Halo is also up their with my favourite games. I habour the bitter hatred towards the second game that even a lot of fans I know have, and personally the third one was mostly an unenjoyable experience, both in single and multiplayer. However, the first game I found strangely addictive. I couldn't care less for the story in the game, since I was too busy shooting and driving to care what Cortana had to say, and the way the story was given to the player made it seem like more of an afterthought than an original idea for the game. However, I found the combat sequences, if a little slow because of Master Chief's criminally slow snail pace of a walking speed, genuinely enjoyable at the time and still love going on the game randomly to relive some of those experiences. Even better though is the multiplayer on the PC version. A good 8v8 on Blood Gulch with Warthogs, Scorpions, Ghosts, rockets, grenades and bullets flying everywhere is always fun.
Like I assume most people had done the same, I greatly enjoyed Painkiller at Yahtzee's recommendation. Great going back to Doom-styled gameplay, same reason I love games series like Unreal Tournament and Quake with their similar styles. Only one thing I want, and that's a mod which adds tits and fire to the lightning and shuriken gun.
I quite like the title of this thread since it uses FPS as a plural, so I don't feel like I'm off topic by stating why I like many different FPS games. I doubt there will ever be one true, definitive FPS game that fits everyone's enjoyment as the whole idea of the FPS genre is down to opinion, either you like that style of game, or you don't. Although I'm certain a combonation between Unreal Tournament, Half Life and Timesplitters would be very close to that.
Other FPS games that I simply don't have time to describe why I like them so much more over others:
STALKER series
Postal 2
Tribes (Specifically Tribes:Vengeance)
There are possibly others I've missed, but oh well.
Humm...most of the ones I've played and loved have been mentioned already, bar Halo...not that I dislike it...just don't consider it 'the greatest', that aside, I'll put in a mention for Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, one of the first online FPS'es I'd played mind, and it's a great game, the fact that it was free was only a huge bonus :3
As for single player...Clive Barker's Undying remains an excellent and atmospheric game, it's a shame Jericho couldn't live up to it. Speaking of atmosphere: Aliens Vs. Predator 2. Well the Marine campaign anyhow, but playing as the Predator and the Xenomorph is still awesome fun :3
As for single player...Clive Barker's Undying remains an excellent and atmospheric game, it's a shame Jericho couldn't live up to it. Speaking of atmosphere: Aliens Vs. Predator 2. Well the Marine campaign anyhow, but playing as the Predator and the Xenomorph is still awesome fun :3
No.Eipok Kruden said:
Half Life 2, Halo 1 and 2, CoD4 (unless online), Metroid Prime (less so, MP2: Echoes), Portal, Bioshock, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, DOOM, Duke Nukem series, FarCry (the very first one), a bunch of others.
What makes a good FPS single player experience is the immersion, depth, required skill and flow. Weapons help as well, as Metroid Prime and Half Life 2 both nail the guns perfectly.
Online, the required skill and teamwork is what matters, hence why the 2 latest CoD games have failed so miserably.
TIMESPLITTERS series all of them brilliant and I hope the 4th will be released and will continue the legacy of awesomeness only matched by the HL series
