Two gay men kicked out of a pub for kissing in public

[2012 Wont Happen]

He can kick anyone out, it's his bar, just like I can kick anyone I want out of my house.

Do you think that right should apply to business owners who don't want to serve blacks?

After all, it is their business. Why should they have to serve blacks if they don't want to?

That is essentially the same chain of thought behind allowing sexuality based discrimination.

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Now, if they were just getting kicked out because of PDA, that's fine. Arguments that discrimination based purely own homophobia is okay because the owner doesn't like their kind don't count for much to me though.

 

[GroovyV]

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet, but funny thing is, Similar thing (for the most part) happened here in El Paso, TX maybe a year ago or so. Two gay dudes "kissed" in a chico's Tacos (restaurant) and were kicked out for it. Cops get called over by the couple themselves (I believe) and one cops puts his foot in his mouth and makes it all worse.

Sure, some places, like where families eat, or people go to just drink (although seriously, most people aren't getting so into making out right then and there, sensible ones take it home or outside into alleys), don't make for great makeout/kissing spots. But at least in the Bar case, more than likely the pub owner just wasn't comfortable or didn't like have two dudes kissing in the His bar. Discriminatory? Possibly/Probably. Nuff said.

 

[Eldarion]

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For someone who said we don't know the whole picture you are making a ton of assumptions yourself.

I don't care how comfortable someone is with seeing a couple kissing. It doesn't matter. Its wrong to kick someone out of your business just because they are "making people uncomfortable". A bunch of people could decide to "be uncomfortable" with anything, a persons clothing, their hair, ect. The fact is its illegal to remove people for doing anything legally permissible in a public space like a bar or a movie theater.

There is legal supreme court president supporting that.

I'm just using the fact that are there in the story, may not be the whole picture but judging what little we do know it doesn't look good for the bar owner from a moral OR legal standpoint. But you go ahead and scapegoat the gay rights movement on assumptions and cases having nothing to do with this one.

 

[Chefodeath]

my bar my rules.

If the bartender had kicked someone out because they were wearing white after labour day, people might think it strange, but nobody would really give a damn. In our quest to give gays equality, lets give them just that, equality. In the modern world, that still means lack of immunity to assholes.

You can't kick people out for their clothing, that is discrimination as well. The supreme court ruled that discrimination in a business is illegal when a man who owned a movie theater tried to have a "no black people" rule cause it was "his place his rules". Its still wrong and no one is allowed to discriminate just because "LOL I said so".

Its illegal according to the law and a supreme court case setting this particular president. I don't know why your so Ok with human beings being treated this way. Is it just gay people or would a "no black people" rule be just fine with you? By your logic.

Sorry for the lack of clarity, but I was arguing from moral opinion on what the law should be, not from legality on what moral opinion should be. You seem to imply the opposite. If we are always to go by legal precedent on such things, I kindly request you research the supreme court case "Plessy v. Ferguson" and get back to me.


Inside of private institutions, I'm perfectly fine with a "no black people" rule. The no black people rule is perfectly defensible just under the shop owners own bigotry and racism. I believe this is allowable simply out of the government's lack of authority to legislate positive rights for citizens on its purely arbitrary moral whims.

If you don't support the anti-gay, anti-black, or anti-white after labour day bar owners and want them to go away, then here's what you do; Don't visit their bars.

 

[Gennadios]

I'd pay money to see two straight men kicked out of a bar for kissing in public.

 

[DSD12]

Honestly i doesnt matter if the couple's straight or gay its pda and people find that uncomfortable but i believe he could have asked them to leave instead of kicking them out

 

[snow]

/snip

For someone who said we don't know the whole picture you are making a ton of assumptions yourself.

I don't care how comfortable someone is with seeing a couple kissing. It doesn't matter. Its wrong to kick someone out of your business just because they are "making people uncomfortable". A bunch of people could decide to "be uncomfortable" with anything, a persons clothing, their hair, ect. The fact is its illegal to remove people for doing anything legally permissible in a public space like a bar or a movie theater.

There is legal supreme court president supporting that.

I'm just using the fact that are there in the story, may not be the whole picture but judging what little we do know it doesn't look good for the bar owner from a moral OR legal standpoint. But you go ahead and scapegoat the gay rights movement on assumptions and cases having nothing to do with this one.

Of course it doesn't look good based off of what we're told in the story. The story is written that way. It's never ever wise to read or watch news and not ask questions. Of course I'm making assumptions, as are you, whether you state them or not. Could my assumptions be wrong? Of course! I'm not going to deny that what I assume really happened could potentially be the wrong assumption. Am I trying to pass my assumptions off as sheer fact? Not at all, I am merely stating them as reasons for why I feel the way I feel on this matter.

"But you go ahead and..." No... I'm all fine with discussion on matters with people who take the opposite side of the matter, but if you're going to get personal like that? Don't bother.

But you go ahead and nothing... If you want to get personal, I can surely do just that. You saying I'm trying to scapegoat anything is an assumption in itself, and a wrong one at that. I even admitted in my original post that I fell off topic.

 

[Chaos Inverse]

Unless they regularly kick out hetero couples for the same thing, it was wrong. If they have a "no making out" rule in place against everyone, then fine.

 

[Eldarion]

/snip

For someone who said we don't know the whole picture you are making a ton of assumptions yourself.

I don't care how comfortable someone is with seeing a couple kissing. It doesn't matter. Its wrong to kick someone out of your business just because they are "making people uncomfortable". A bunch of people could decide to "be uncomfortable" with anything, a persons clothing, their hair, ect. The fact is its illegal to remove people for doing anything legally permissible in a public space like a bar or a movie theater.

There is legal supreme court president supporting that.

I'm just using the fact that are there in the story, may not be the whole picture but judging what little we do know it doesn't look good for the bar owner from a moral OR legal standpoint. But you go ahead and scapegoat the gay rights movement on assumptions and cases having nothing to do with this one.

Of course it doesn't look good based off of what we're told in the story. The story is written that way. It's never ever wise to read or watch news and not ask questions. Of course I'm making assumptions, as are you, whether you state them or not. Could my assumptions be wrong? Of course! I'm not going to deny that what I assume really happened could potentially be the wrong assumption. Am I trying to pass my assumptions off as sheer fact? Not at all, I am merely stating them as reasons for why I feel the way I feel on this matter.

"But you go ahead and..." No... I'm all fine with discussion on matters with people who take the opposite side of the matter, but if you're going to get personal like that? Don't bother.

But you go ahead and nothing... If you want to get personal, I can surely do just that. You saying I'm trying to scapegoat anything is an assumption in itself, and a wrong one at that. I even admitted in my original post that I fell off topic.

I didn't say I wasn't making assumptions, I'm just making them based on the fact that we have instead of what could be true. You could assume anything you want based on nothing at all and warp the situation any way you please, it just makes more sense to use what information does exist as a basis for discussion.

As for the other part of my post, you drew connections between this case and a bunch of extreme isolated cases. I called a spade a spade, if you don't like that you are using a spade then drop it.

Sorry for the lack of clarity, but I was arguing from moral opinion on what the law should be, not from legality on what moral opinion should be. You seem to imply the opposite. If we are always to go by legal precedent on such things, I kindly request you research the supreme court case "Plessy v. Ferguson" and get back to me.


Inside of private institutions, I'm perfectly fine with a "no black people" rule. The no black people rule is perfectly defensible just under the shop owners own bigotry and racism. I believe this is allowable simply out of the government's lack of authority to legislate positive rights for citizens on its purely arbitrary moral whims.

If you don't support the anti-gay, anti-black, or anti-white after labour day bar owners and want them to go away, then here's what you do; Don't visit their bars.

The "moral opinion" that I am taking is that people should be allowed to whatever they want in public space. If some idiot doesn't like black or gay people they should not open a bar. Public places are for everyone and discrimination is wrong.

Did I say that the law was absolute? No, but most of the "pro-bigotry" people in here seem to think the bar owner can do whatever he wants. He can't and he should not be able to. Racism, sexism, anti gay are behaviors we should protect but the right for anyone to use public space isn't? Do you know how backward that is? I know a spade is a spade and I know what I would call someone with that mindset.

 

[Kurokasumi]

personally I think two men making out is disgusting, and the bar owner was right for kicking them out, but that's just my opinion

Indeed. I'm going to save typing out an opinion and agree with yours. Not something I want to see when I'm trying to have a drink with my friends.

 

[Eldarion]

personally I think two men making out is disgusting, and the bar owner was right for kicking them out, but that's just my opinion

Indeed. I'm going to save typing out an opinion and agree with yours. Not something I want to see when I'm trying to have a drink with my friends.

I might not want to see you or your friends, but if you want to go out to a public place you have to deal with people doing anything they want in public space. Especially if its legally permissible behavior. This was.

Strait people kissing in public is perfectly fine, but gay people are "gross" thats nice.

/snip

For someone who said we don't know the whole picture you are making a ton of assumptions yourself.

I don't care how comfortable someone is with seeing a couple kissing. It doesn't matter. Its wrong to kick someone out of your business just because they are "making people uncomfortable". A bunch of people could decide to "be uncomfortable" with anything, a persons clothing, their hair, ect. The fact is its illegal to remove people for doing anything legally permissible in a public space like a bar or a movie theater.

There is legal supreme court president supporting that.

I'm just using the fact that are there in the story, may not be the whole picture but judging what little we do know it doesn't look good for the bar owner from a moral OR legal standpoint. But you go ahead and scapegoat the gay rights movement on assumptions and cases having nothing to do with this one.

Of course it doesn't look good based off of what we're told in the story. The story is written that way. It's never ever wise to read or watch news and not ask questions. Of course I'm making assumptions, as are you, whether you state them or not. Could my assumptions be wrong? Of course! I'm not going to deny that what I assume really happened could potentially be the wrong assumption. Am I trying to pass my assumptions off as sheer fact? Not at all, I am merely stating them as reasons for why I feel the way I feel on this matter.

"But you go ahead and..." No... I'm all fine with discussion on matters with people who take the opposite side of the matter, but if you're going to get personal like that? Don't bother.

But you go ahead and nothing... If you want to get personal, I can surely do just that. You saying I'm trying to scapegoat anything is an assumption in itself, and a wrong one at that. I even admitted in my original post that I fell off topic.

I didn't say I wasn't making assumptions, I'm just making them based on the fact that we have instead of what could be true. You could assume anything you want based on nothing at all and warp the situation any way you please, it just makes more sense to use what information does exist as a basis for discussion.

As for the other part of my post, you drew connections between this case and a bunch of extreme isolated cases. I called a spade a spade, if you don't like that you are using a spade then drop it.

Wouldn't it have made even more sense to remain neutral until more information came to light, rather than using one biased source of information? Also, it could [/] be true that what the couple said was true, but it's also possible that they may be blowing it out of proportion, so I fail to see the logic in what you said.

Or maybe I'm just misreading your post. Which I seem to do a lot >.>

I'm not making assumptions outside of the information present for this discussion. "IF" the gay couple was being disruptive, "IF" people are blowing this out of proportion, "IF" we don't have all the info then things would be different but if the question is "who is in the right?" just based on this information then the bar owner is legally and morally wrong.

 

[Kurokasumi]

personally I think two men making out is disgusting, and the bar owner was right for kicking them out, but that's just my opinion

Indeed. I'm going to save typing out an opinion and agree with yours. Not something I want to see when I'm trying to have a drink with my friends.

I might not want to see you or your friends, but if you want to go out to a public place you have to deal with people doing anything they want in public space. Especially if its legally permissible behavior. This was.

Strait people kissing in public is perfectly fine, but gay people are "gross" thats nice.

Well I would have to be honest when straight up kicking them out might have been a little harsh, telling them to cut it out, give them a warning or tell them to take it somewhere else would have been a little more reasonable.

 

[IamGamer41]

Every day I look on here and every day theres some new post about gay this or gay that.Can't you people give it a rest.

 

[Eldarion]

personally I think two men making out is disgusting, and the bar owner was right for kicking them out, but that's just my opinion

Indeed. I'm going to save typing out an opinion and agree with yours. Not something I want to see when I'm trying to have a drink with my friends.

I might not want to see you or your friends, but if you want to go out to a public place you have to deal with people doing anything they want in public space. Especially if its legally permissible behavior. This was.

Strait people kissing in public is perfectly fine, but gay people are "gross" thats nice.

Well I would have to be honest when straight up kicking them out might have been a little harsh, telling them to cut it out, give them a warning or tell them to take it somewhere else would have been a little more reasonable.

You can't order 2 people to stop doing something that is acceptable in public just because you don't like it. Having a problem with gay people kissing is YOUR problem, not theirs or mine. Get over it.

 

[Baneat]

personally I think two men making out is disgusting, and the bar owner was right for kicking them out, but that's just my opinion

Indeed. I'm going to save typing out an opinion and agree with yours. Not something I want to see when I'm trying to have a drink with my friends.

I might not want to see you or your friends, but if you want to go out to a public place you have to deal with people doing anything they want in public space. Especially if its legally permissible behavior. This was.

Strait people kissing in public is perfectly fine, but gay people are "gross" thats nice.

Well I would have to be honest when straight up kicking them out might have been a little harsh, telling them to cut it out, give them a warning or tell them to take it somewhere else would have been a little more reasonable.

You can't order 2 people to stop doing something that is acceptable in public just because you don't like it. Having a problem with gay people kissing is YOUR problem, not theirs or mine. Get over it.

Public? I know they're called public houses, but where are these government-owned bars you speak of?