Two gay men kicked out of a pub for kissing in public
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The terms "for being obscene" and "..house rules.." used in the articile kind of imply that making-out in general was banned from the and if that's the case the owner had ever right to throw them out.
The reasons as to why they were kicked out aren't clearly stated so it's easy to just assume that the owner was being homophobic and if he was then he should be all mean be copping all the slack he has been getting over the incedent
The articale is just too vague and seem to be more about the protests to what happened then the actually incedent in question.
The reasons as to why they were kicked out aren't clearly stated so it's easy to just assume that the owner was being homophobic and if he was then he should be all mean be copping all the slack he has been getting over the incedent
The articale is just too vague and seem to be more about the protests to what happened then the actually incedent in question.
Right, I'm immature. Coming from the one that equates the law that says you can't discriminate against people to the one that forbids weed. Cause you getting stoned is right up there with equal rights.ryai458 said:
I don't care how "uncomfortable" it makes people to see a pair of guys kissing. Kicking them out for that is wrong. A bar is a public place for adults, people have the right to do whatever they want in public spaces.
You still haven't picked one. This thin veil of "oh I totally respect gay people" is not gonna freaking fly next to "If the strait people decide its indecent its fine to discriminate"
Ew that's sick and wrong...the fact that they were kicked out that is; I hope they do the same thing for lesbian and straight couples.
Depends on how, erm, vigorous they were being, I suppose. If I were there I may have asked them to stop simply because they were making me feel lonely.
my bar my rules.
If the bartender had kicked someone out because they were wearing white after labour day, people might think it strange, but nobody would really give a damn. In our quest to give gays equality, lets give them just that, equality. In the modern world, that still means lack of immunity to assholes.
If the bartender had kicked someone out because they were wearing white after labour day, people might think it strange, but nobody would really give a damn. In our quest to give gays equality, lets give them just that, equality. In the modern world, that still means lack of immunity to assholes.
Don't just not quote me and pretend to have the last word. Cowardly thinking like that will never change things.ryai458 said:
We have a clear violation of human rights that is without a doubt against the law and you want us to "just ignore it". I don't even have words for how lame that is.
You can't kick people out for their clothing, that is discrimination as well. The supreme court ruled that discrimination in a business is illegal when a man who owned a movie theater tried to have a "no black people" rule cause it was "his place his rules". Its still wrong and no one is allowed to discriminate just because "LOL I said so".Chefodeath said:
Its illegal according to the law and a supreme court case setting this particular president. I don't know why your so Ok with human beings being treated this way. Is it just gay people or would a "no black people" rule be just fine with you? By your logic.
Pretty much this sums it up and I have to agree fully on. There's no way we can say whether they were right in what they did (They being EITHER party in this current scenario) Because chances are, both sides are bending the truth. Those that side with the gay couple will feel most comfortable in thinking that the bar owners or whoever did the kicking are bigots who were disgusted by the sight of two males kissing each other, and those who side with the other group in this scenario will feel most comfortable with the mind set that the couple in question was disruptive in some nature.yanipheonu said:
Having been to a few bars myself and having seen the way bartenders and owners deal with trouble makers. I find myself supporting the latter through common sense. Chances are, they weren't immediately kicked out, they were asked to stop their behavior, and if they ignored the request, they were booted. Chances are, they weren't kicked for a mere peck on the lips, they were probably in "Get a room." Mode, which as much as people hate to realize, is uncomfortable regardless of the genders partaking in the questionable act.
Worst part is, those that got involved in that make out group outside of the bar more than likely didn't even bother to find out the true story behind it, they probably heard, "Gay people got kicked from bar for kissing." And immediately jumped to conclusions that the bar owners or the bartenders in question are evil bigots that stand against everything the gay community works hard to achieve. Those that support a rights group of any sort and actively protest almost always jump to do just that without being aware of the big picture. Sure there are some out there that get it right and do their research, but I've seen one too many protests that should have been shut down with simple logic in my day that sadly, I cannot help but wonder if they are protesting for what they feel is right, or are protesting for the simple act of protesting.
Some protest groups have gone as far as ignoring said logic for the sake of their beliefs. IE: The "Stop Avatar from being made because the future is transgender, not straight." Group... Yeah... It's out there, look it up! There's a logical error right there in saying that! Straight, in terms of sexual orientation, is a "Sexual Orientation." Where as, transgender, transexuals deal with genders.
For those of you who are too lazy to look it up, pretty much it's a protest group that started before Avatar came out where a group wanted to stop the release of the movie, because they felt that the love relationship in the movie, should have had either one or both characters be transgendered. Their logic behind it, is that in the future, that's where we are headed, and they felt that James Cameron was not depicting the future properly and was, more or less, not being supportive of the group.
I could go on and on about the logical flaws behind all that, but really I jumped so far off topic that I would have to sprint for quite some time to get back to it if I went any further.
As for the issue, I believe some one else already mentioned the "We reserve the right to refuse service for any reason." Sign. Yeah, it exists. I do not for an instant that the couple in question was immediately tossed out over a light smooch. The majority of the world gets uncomfortable when strangers nearby are engaging in the acts of severe PDA, regardless of gender.
Sad enough, I feel that a lot of this is a horrible waste of time as well... Everyone in the entire world has something that makes them uncomfortable. These groups that go around demanding otherwise are fighting a losing battle. They've already won the struggle for a more tolerable world to live in. Sure they still have some big battles to face in that regard, but sadly, a grand majority of protesters confuse tolerating and comfortable. You can request some one to tolerate, but you can never make them -not- uncomfortable.
Being uncomfortable does not make for a bad person, because if it did, then we're ALL bad people.
Makes you wonder though... What if the roles were reversed? What if it was a gay man kicking out a straight couple? Would we even hear of this? Probably not.
A bar is a public place that serves alcohol.
A pub is a specific form of a bar. It also has specific rules of conduct. I would not expect this kind of conduct at a pub- but a restrained expression of it is cool too.
A nightclub is a specific form of a bar. It has more relaxed rules of conduct. I expect this kind of conduct at a nightclub. From any form of sexuality.
If it was discrimination, they're in shit. If it wasn't and they were getting too cozy, well, I've seen people thrown out of bars for about as much. But that they were gay people kissing doesn't mean it was discrimination. Assumptions that it was discrimination are as useful as assumptions that there was no discrimination; they both cancel out because neither side has conclusive evidence.
I'm sorry to repeat a lot of what was said but this sounds like a small-time writer trying to get paid for trolling.
A pub is a specific form of a bar. It also has specific rules of conduct. I would not expect this kind of conduct at a pub- but a restrained expression of it is cool too.
A nightclub is a specific form of a bar. It has more relaxed rules of conduct. I expect this kind of conduct at a nightclub. From any form of sexuality.
If it was discrimination, they're in shit. If it wasn't and they were getting too cozy, well, I've seen people thrown out of bars for about as much. But that they were gay people kissing doesn't mean it was discrimination. Assumptions that it was discrimination are as useful as assumptions that there was no discrimination; they both cancel out because neither side has conclusive evidence.
I'm sorry to repeat a lot of what was said but this sounds like a small-time writer trying to get paid for trolling.