Ultramarines: The Movie

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Sonicron

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KSarty said:
Any guesses as to what time period the film will take place in? I'm guessing it will most likely be post-heresy, but there is a chance it could be during the heresy I suppose. Also, show of hands for who wants to see an Orbital Bombardment Exterminatus in high-def glory.
Definitely post-heresy. I'd love to see the Horus Heresy made into movies, but they'd require too much time to get set properly. What parts of the old ways and chapter history need conveying, the movie can present to the audience via exposition. Besides, making a 40k movie around the time of the heresy and starting with the Ultramarines wouldn't make sense, seeing how the first 3 to 5 books form the essential outline of the main plot.
Oh, and I think there's actually a good chance of an Exterminatus in that movie. The biggest battles of the Ultramarines were during the Tyranid War, so pitting the Marines against nids in the movie is only logical; also, tyranids are the kind of enemy that are excellent in movies because to the audience they're unambiguously evil and cannot claim any sympathy due to not possessing any anthropomorphic features.
 

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@Mazty: Again, read the fluff. Marines do not conquer worlds in Warhammer 40,000. They take out commanders and then let the ground troops - regular humans - do the rest of the work. Marines are only good as:

1. Highly elite shock troops, i.e. in a supporting offensive role to the Guard.

2. Destroying the enemy command with a single decapitative alpha-strike, which rather relies on your opponent not being unassailable (i.e. Vraks), or having a decent command structure ("Oh, dear, General Logos is dead. Promote Major-General Tacitus), i.e. will only work against incompetent enemies. Even then, you still need human soldiers to do the actual work of attacking, occupying and mopping up the enemy forces.

3. One marine vs. a world? That's some great propaganda there. Or was this world inhabited solely by peasants and small children?

4. Okay, let's put it this way: Space Marines are 7' 8" tall supermen in massive armour? Badass?

Yeah. Except Tyranids have creatures upwards of 20 feet tall that can eat dozens of marines. For breakfast.

Eldar have ancient warrior mystics with hundreds of years of fighting experience, indeed, thousands of years if it to believed, warrior mystics who can change the very course of time and space, and firepower so powerful it rips power armour open like it's tinfoil.

Necrons doubly so.

Guardsmen face down the worst horrors of the galaxy with a lasgun and flak armour. Oh, and heavy weapons capable of levelling continents, tanks the size of buildings, elite commando troopers, hardass jungle fighters....yeah. Oh, and there's Commissar Yarrick, Colonel Straken, Guardsman Marbo and, of course, Creed, a man so tactically inspired he cannot be outsmarted.

Tau...well, meh. Good tech, bad philosophy and design aesthetic.


If one is entirely honest, the Space Marine is one of the more boring parts of 40K. He wins because he's Action Man, a one-dimensional hero with no character, a darkling superman with who's main appeal is to out desire for 'Der Ubermensch'. You've got a universe full of hideous monsters, dark, sinister conspirators, chainsmoking, vicous commandos, savage aliens, daemonic legions....and to send against it? Superman in blue armour.

Bah. Send me a Guardsman any day. At least he'll know how to outsmart his foe.
 

annoyinglizardvoice

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Whilst Ultramarines are not the most characterful part of the setting, they are a good introduction to 40K, which is probably part of the idea behind the film. At 70mins long, they might not have time to go into full detail of something worth a heavier background. Besides, most of the players I know hate the Templars even more and think of the dakangels as a bit of a joke.
I'll give it a try.
 

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Read about this yesterday. While the choice of main characters seem a bit boring (nobody likes the faceless SMurfs), but I like the fact that they are actually going through with making a WH40K movie, that's not just some fan production.

That being said, I feel a bit sceptical. If you want to do a REAL 40K movie, you'd have to push some really sensitive buttons in most societies, mainly because you'd have to depict a pretty over the top glorification of dictatorships and pseudo-nazism (worse than what was done in Starship Troopers), imperialism, genocide, xenophobia, racism, anti-intellectualism and all manner of depraved behavior which the Imperium of Man frequently indulges in.

If one film production company ever had the balls to go ahead and produce something like that anyway, regardless of all the flak that would come from angry parents, upset catholics, jews, democrats, politically correct tools etc. And it isn't one from hollywood (we all know that hollywood ruins everything it touches in order to make it more easily digestable for fundamentalist christian americans), then I would be excited.

I don't have these hopes for this movie, mainly because I suspect that it will be some sort of PG-13 sci-fi-action flick about Ultramarines fighting Tyranids, without much exploration about the more interesting aspects of the Imperium of Man.

But, once the door is open, this movie might actually lead to some more interesting films, if the Emperor wills it. : )

I for one, hope for either a serious, "Band of Brothers-esque" Television series about Gaunt's Ghosts, or a trilogy of movies chronicling the career of Inquisitor Eisenhorn and his acolytes. That would certainly give me an awesomegasm!
 

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Rolling Thunder said:
If one is entirely honest, the Space Marine is one of the more boring parts of 40K. He wins because he's Action Man, a one-dimensional hero with no character, a darkling superman with who's main appeal is to out desire for 'Der Ubermensch'. You've got a universe full of hideous monsters, dark, sinister conspirators, chainsmoking, vicous commandos, savage aliens, daemonic legions....and to send against it? Superman in blue armour.
While this is certainly true for the goody-two-shoes Ultramarines, don't judge all of the Adeptus Astartes on those premises.

The Fleshtearers chapter (succesor chapter of the Blood Angels) are one of the most badass and merciless butchers with little regard for strategy and tactics. (their entire chapter is almost worse than Khornate Berzerkers)

Then of course there is the traitor legions, who are a clear testament that Space Marines are far from the one dimensional "action-men" that most people consider them to be.

Sure they have almost divine fighting capabilities and such, but with such power comes great complication. Read some Horus Heresy novels and you'll see.

Although I completely agree with you that they are hard to relate to, but that's sort of the point. They aren't supposed to be "humanlike" and easy to relate to as characters. They are almost "alien" in mindset, and that's what makes them interesting, because regardless of how inhumanly zealous and suicidally courageous they can be, their morals and thinking still suffer from doubt and complexity.
 

DoW Lowen

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Well sure beats the hell out of the Blood Ravens... I guess.

Still would it not be nice to give the Eldar a chance - the pussy space elves that they are. I understand that Space Marines make up 50% of all of Games Workshop profit across the Warhammer, Warhammer 40k and Lord of the Rings franchise. But it would be nice to give the other armies a go since they are way more interesting.

Still we may rant, but we're still most likely going to watch the movie regardless. So let's reserve our judgment for now.
 

Trivun

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Rolling Thunder said:
Oh, good, more Marine Fail. The single least characterful chapter, in the single least characterful army. Why not make a movie about a Tyranid Hormagaunt? Or a Necron Warrior? Seriously, Space Marines in general are faceless, Ultramarines doubly so.
I agree slightly, although I like the Marines in general, I'm not too keen on the Ultramarines. I am a big Blood Ravens fan though, thanks to Dawn of War, although I collect Tau.

That said, I reckon a film about a Tau soldier could work. Personally I'd love to see a film adaptation of the game Fire Warrior, I have it and I reckon the story in that is remarkably deep for a generic Space Marine (or rather, Tau) shooter. Plus, if you had the Tau as the main race involved, it gives a great chance for a bit of a Communist/Socialist (delete as appropriate) political commentary in the background, potentially...
 

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Jaythulhu said:
Tbh, I'd be more interested in seeing a movie based around one of the interesting marine chapters, like the Dark Angels, Blood Angels or Space Puppies.
Space Puppies?

Super. Special. Awesome.
 

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DoW Lowen said:
Still would it not be nice to give the Eldar a chance - the pussy space elves that they are. I understand that Space Marines make up 50% of all of Games Workshop profit across the Warhammer, Warhammer 40k and Lord of the Rings franchise. But it would be nice to give the other armies a go since they are way more interesting.
No not really. I prefer my 40K stories to be about humans primarily. While aliens my work as side-line characters or antagonists, a complete movie about them and their perspective doesn't seem that interesting.

Especially not eldar, because im racist against anything elvish! :mad:
 

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Why do people say different chapters are more characterful when what they really mean is they can be summed up in a single sentence? The plot and writing for a film is not going to be improved by using a chapter which is one dimensional by the fluff. Black Templars? Great, except if they have a conversation without repeatedly mentioning how zealous and righteous they're feeling then it's wrong. Space Wolves? Just dig out a book about Norse history and pass it over to the author. In fact, the Ultramarines are probably the most human of all the Chapters, since they seem to have a decent grip on reality. They dismiss ridiculous beliefs as superstition and they're region of space is one of the mose pleasant places in the entire galaxy, if a bit spartan.

Basically what I'm saying is that the quality of a film is based on how capable the people making it are, not who they picked as main characters.

Rolling Thunder said:
@Mazty: Again, read the fluff. Marines do not conquer worlds in Warhammer 40,000.
Except for pretty much every single word taken pre-heresy.

You've got a universe full of hideous monsters, dark, sinister conspirators, chainsmoking, vicous commandos, savage aliens, daemonic legions....and to send against it? Superman in blue armour.
If you put it like that, of course it'll sound bad. If you rephrase it to:
"And to send against it? An 8' tall genetically enhanced cybernetic space knight with two hearts and three lungs, the ability to spit acid and a fully automatic rocket launcher, who was trained to kill from the age of 12."

Please. All the stuff about necrons (or anyone else) outclassing Space Marines was born from a need to balance game mechanics rather than the fluff.
 
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Ultras are the posterboys of Space Marines for Games Workshop, so get used to the fact that they will be everywhere. Anyone interested in starting the hobby is usually told to buy the Macragge(back when I began)/Black Reach set, which has, surprise, Ultramarines on the cover and in the painting guides. Most of the people I know(and they play W40k of course) had at least a squad of them, and in my oppinion they are the most reckongnizable force in the whole setting(go to the GW webpage and check out SM units box covers, guess what colours have the marines there) - and that makes them the obvious choise for movie characters. Now how interesting are those characters, it's a different matter...

Anyway Damnatus was a damn good movie for a fan-made thingie, frakin sad how it ended for the creators.
 

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Alright, so they're Smurfs. Fair enough. Still lovely 40K goodness.

Or with any luck it will be. And hey, if it does well, maybe we'll get a little Inquisitorial loveliness in the next one.
 

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Damnatus got leaked in German.

ANDDDD, IDK, the Super-Smurfs are the most boring Chapter in the 40k universe, if you ask me, if they do something like defending the homeworld from Nids it might work, but meh.

I've seen some of Codex's older stuff, let us hope since then they have got a lot better, otherwise it won't really be that good, it needs a certian dark and gritty style or it won't just be 40k, not the clean and shiney of Ultramarines.

Give me a Death Korps of Krieg move! Give me a Cain movie, that would be EXCELLENT.
A cain movie would be CLASSIC. Those are some of my favourite books in my immense black library collection. I like the alpha legion personally, i find them the most interesting.

SPOILER HERE

Alpharius and Omegon the twin primarch. Now thats interesting. I want a horus heresy serious for that matter.
 

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MasterSqueak said:
Jaythulhu said:
Tbh, I'd be more interested in seeing a movie based around one of the interesting marine chapters, like the Dark Angels, Blood Angels or Space Puppies.
Space Puppies?

Super. Special. Awesome.

Ooh, many quakings of fear at the emperor's poodles in their pretty powder blue amour!


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Ya can tell I play Thousand Sons, aye?


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Ya know, if the Ultramarine movie followed say, a squad of tyrannic war veterns and chaplain what'shisface, that could be kinda cool, since the T.W Vets aren't the bland, personality-free, codex-humping brown-nosers that fill the rest of the Ultraweenie chapter. 10 Bruce Willis clones in power armour covered in tyranid-piece trophies, lead by another Bruce Willis with half his face gone blowing up shit in the name of their primarch and (false) god-emperor? Yeah, I could enjoy watching that. 'Specially if they do the whole "There really is no hope for humanity" thing that's been flooding GW fluff for the last several years and kill off the entire squad, leaving a horde of (frequently bigger than a bus) gribbly things rushing at the screen right before the end credits.
 

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Geo Da Sponge said:
Please. All the stuff about necrons (or anyone else) outclassing Space Marines was born from a need to balance game mechanics rather than the fluff.
Rather, it was born from the need to actually make the enemies of mankind seem dangerous and threatening and thereby create interesting fluff, and make the Space Marines seem heroic for taking on such threats even in melee combat.

If Space Marines weren't outclassed and they won all the time without having to pay the price of casualties in war, they would be even more boring than they are now. They would be like an army of superheroes with complete plot protection and by default completely uninteresting. Sort of like the Jedi in Star Wars...
 

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That they supposedly come from ...sigh... Ultramar [http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ultramar] kind of destroys any credibility the concept would otherwise have. I was thinking that Ultramarine referred to, you know, some kind of Ultra Marine, but I guess I was mistaken. And let's have a look at this "Ultramar" sector, shall we? It has several planets which are:

-Tarentus: Agri World
-Quintarn: Agri World
-Konor: Adeptus Mechanicus Research World
-Calth: Cavern World
-Espandor: Cardinal World
-Iax: Garden World
-Masali: Agri World
-Talassar: Ocean World
-Talasa Prime: Inquisition Fortress
-Parmenio: Training World

Seriously, there's a cavern world? An entire world dedicated to research? A Garden planet? These are about as believable as the "Worlds" of Mario Bros. The whole Warhammer thing is sheer over-the-top spectacle with nothing to back it up.

So it might make an alright movie, as long as they don't try to explain anything.