Unjust sentence for Saudi Arabian rape victim

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Bulletinmybrain

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axia777 said:
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I still can't get over the facet that they just punished THE WOMAN WHO GOT FUCKING RAPED. They have got to be either retarded or mentally challenged. Who the hell punishes the victim?
Like I pointed out earlier, she is not being punished for rape.


She is being punished because she got into the car of a unrelated man.
Oh right, then it is her fault she got raped right? Is that their reasoning? She is a rape victim. In America all those asshole would go to jail for a long time.
Actually, our laws are hella' more fluffy then theirs. They kill people.

I never talked about rape, because she is not getting punished for rape, she is getting punished for breaking a law regarding the segregation of men and women.


EDIT: Personally, I am more angry about their law of segretation, and why the men aren't getting 90 lashes like the women.

Hawgh said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
AndyFromMonday said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
AndyFromMonday said:
I still can't get over the facet that they just punished THE WOMAN WHO GOT FUCKING RAPED. They have got to be either retarded or mentally challenged. Who the hell punishes the victim?
Like I pointed out earlier, she is not being punished for rape.


She is being punished because she got into the car of a unrelated man.
Even so, that means they got to torture her?
By their laws, yes.
A law isn't necessarily just. And any unjust law should be abolished.

Thankfully, Saudi Arabia will collapse as soon as they run out of oil and the sheiks flee the impending economic vacuum. No more of their shit after that.
No where did I say it was just, but you ashed if the government has the right to torture her, and I said yes, by their law it is right.
 

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Bulletinmybrain said:
AndyFromMonday said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
AndyFromMonday said:
I still can't get over the facet that they just punished THE WOMAN WHO GOT FUCKING RAPED. They have got to be either retarded or mentally challenged. Who the hell punishes the victim?
Like I pointed out earlier, she is not being punished for rape.


She is being punished because she got into the car of a unrelated man.
Even so, that means they got to torture her?
By their laws, yes.
A law isn't necessarily just. And any unjust law should be abolished.

Thankfully, Saudi Arabia will collapse as soon as they run out of oil and the sheiks flee the impending economic vacuum. No more of their shit after that.
 

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Samurai Goomba said:
...There are no words.

Seriously, what can be said? I'm actively losing faith in humanity as we speak.
Embrace nihilism. It makes the world make sense.
 

axia777

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Bulletinmybrain said:
axia777 said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
AndyFromMonday said:
I still can't get over the facet that they just punished THE WOMAN WHO GOT FUCKING RAPED. They have got to be either retarded or mentally challenged. Who the hell punishes the victim?
Like I pointed out earlier, she is not being punished for rape.


She is being punished because she got into the car of a unrelated man.
Oh right, then it is her fault she got raped right? Is that their reasoning? She is a rape victim. In America all those asshole would go to jail for a long time.
Actually, our laws are hella' more fluffy then theirs. They kill people.

I never talked about rape, because she is not getting punished for rape, she is getting punished for breaking a law regarding the segregation of men and women.


EDIT: Personally, I am more angry about their law of segregation, and why the men aren't getting 90 lashes like the women.
I am angry about all of it. But what can I do? I can hope that all the men involved all get testicle cancer and die a quick and painful death.
 

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Yassen said:
But I belief no government or court should be influenced by religious views and instead just do what is fair and just.
Unfortunately as much as i agree with you, The teachings found in religion is what some find to be right and just... It's the way their people are, just thank christ it's not your people. Otherwise you'd likely be sentenced to time in jail for speaking out for women's rights (Yes that happens too in those kinds of countries.) It's an extremely male-dominant society over there.

But yeah, it is sick and wrong what has happened to this woman, regardless of what you're religion says, how does their "God" plan on helping that woman explain to her child that her father could be any one of several rapists and that their mother was tied to a post and flogged just for being pregnant with them... If it's a girl she'll also have to be taught to obey the peolpe who did this because it's wrong to have rights...

Their system is grossly unfair and really, in these terms completely inapropriate, but then again that's just my outlook on it as a man raised in Europe.

Had i been raised in an eastern country i'd probably think justice had been served...

Really, someone from that society should be made to explain this.
 

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axia777 said:
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100% wrong [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce].

...Uh...What am I missing? This seems more like a social movement of people going "...well...this is kind of cruel...we should stop.." kinda thing... Even the guy's "conversion" is the year AFTER the movement started... I admit I couldn't be fucked reading the entire page so... what am I missing?

But hey, ever considered that we wouldn't need to abolish slavery if we didn't enslave people in the first place? Minor detail right?
When did the subject of slavery come into this? This thread is about the injustice of a women who was gang raped and then lashed as a punishment for it. Trust me, she is not the first nor will she be the last to suffer the indignation of being punished for being raped.
...Did you happen to check the link cuddly sent, to which I was replying...?
 

axia777

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Caliostro said:
axia777 said:
Caliostro said:
cuddly_tomato said:
100% wrong [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce].

...Uh...What am I missing? This seems more like a social movement of people going "...well...this is kind of cruel...we should stop.." kinda thing... Even the guy's "conversion" is the year AFTER the movement started... I admit I couldn't be fucked reading the entire page so... what am I missing?

But hey, ever considered that we wouldn't need to abolish slavery if we didn't enslave people in the first place? Minor detail right?
When did the subject of slavery come into this? This thread is about the injustice of a women who was gang raped and then lashed as a punishment for it. Trust me, she is not the first nor will she be the last to suffer the indignation of being punished for being raped.
...Did you happen to check the link cuddly sent, to which I was replying...?
Yes, it is about some old school religious British guy who worked to abolish slavery among other high end moral causes. What is your point?
 

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that's fucking disgusting..I don't know what else to say this is just surreal, and the fact that SHE got punished for something she didn't want makes me think about how fucked up is society and the ruling government in the arab emirates
 

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mastertang said:
Only muslims try defend their faith. Just read the Quran if you want see what all bullshit these fucktards believe.
I say that about ALL religions.
 

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Fondant said:
It is a well-documented fact that religion in government is like Methicylin-resistant Syphillis- impossible to get rid of and rots the brain. And since Islam is the only religion with control over any nations (aside from Vatican city, which is an abberation since it's not really a country), we must conclude that Islam has gone to far.


Still, I'm not in the mood for a religious war. But if you want, I'll sell guns and vehicles.
Dude your forgetting a load of Buddhist theocracy's that also treat people very unjustly and a load of other minor theocracy's like the UK, Norway and Israel well actually Israel has several major laws that are drawn from their religious learning's.
 

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mastertang said:
Only muslims try defend their faith. Just read the Quran if you want see what all bullshit these fucktards believe.
Umm I'm pretty sure most people would defend their own beliefs, be they christian, muslim or even atheist. It takes someone special who is willing to actually try and see things from another perspective.

In responce to certain comments saying how old this link is, I had only read about this story in the paper on the day I started this thread, so it was still new news to me. Besides, apparently this kind of thing happens all the time, so it's not really a matter of this perticular woman, but how the government could ever do something so horrible. I'm also sure that it doesn't matter when something happened, the fact it has happened is disgusting enough.

Also I am well aware that most muslims are actually kind people and this is not their decision, this is an act of their misogynist, corrupt government who has twisted the values of the Muslim faith in order to stay in power and suppress the people. I implore you all to not let something like this fester into a hatred for muslims, the last thing the world needs is more hate.

If you want proof that only this government is corrupt, and not their faith, I'd like to bring your attention to this, Muhammad's Last Sermon.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/muhm-sermon.html

I'm sure we can agree that Muslims do have something important to teach about life, I just wish their leaders had not abandoned their faith for power.
 

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sheic99 said:
Samurai Goomba said:
...There are no words.

Seriously, what can be said? I'm actively losing faith in humanity as we speak.
Embrace nihilism. It makes the world make sense.
If nothing else, it's certainly an argument against the people who say that legality equals morality.

Nihilism? Is that the thing the philosophy of self-worship, or am I confused?
 

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Samurai Goomba said:
Nihilism? Is that the thing the philosophy of self-worship, or am I confused?
Nihilism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism] is one heck of a bummer.

And I think you might be thinking of Solipsism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism], though to call it "self-worship" is to ignore that there's no reverence or worship of the self involved in it. It's not so much a belief but rather an argument tossed around in philosophy. People who do believe in it are missing the point of it entirely.
 

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Dorian Cornelius Jasper said:
Samurai Goomba said:
Nihilism? Is that the thing the philosophy of self-worship, or am I confused?
Nihilism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism] is one heck of a bummer.

And I think you might be thinking of Solipsism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism], though to call it "self-worship" is to ignore that there's no reverence or worship of the self involved in it. It's not so much a belief but rather an argument tossed around in philosophy. People who do believe in it are missing the point of it entirely.
Thanks. Nihilism makes my brain hurt... Kind of like this Saudi Arabian case.
 

sheic99

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Samurai Goomba said:
sheic99 said:
Samurai Goomba said:
...There are no words.

Seriously, what can be said? I'm actively losing faith in humanity as we speak.
Embrace nihilism. It makes the world make sense.
If nothing else, it's certainly an argument against the people who say that legality equals morality.

Nihilism? Is that the thing the philosophy of self-worship, or am I confused?
Nihilists generally assert that objective morality does not exist, and subsequently there are no objective moral values with which to uphold a rule or to logically prefer one action over another.
source:Wikipedia(cause they say it better)
 

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I don't really think there's much I can say that hasn't already been said.
I'll just say, separate church and state for the stability of the world.
 

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The problem here isn't muslims, it's extreme muslims, again, it's people picking and choosing bits of their holy book to suit what they want, they want all women as their personal slaves, so they've made the laws to fit, and then said 'Allah told me to do it'.

I admit I've only met one muslim guy in England, but he tries to lead a moral life and just generally behave himself, and I believe that's how you should truly follow any religion, use it to better yourself as a person.

I rarely agree with Bill Maher, but I think he brought up the point 'How would we react if Saudi Arabia treated black people like it treated its women? We'd be on the next flight over to free them from their abuse! Because it's women and religion, we seem to be fine with it.'

Unfortunately, I'm of the belief that there's not enough people willing to cut back on their consumption enough to eliminate our need for the Arab oil.

If we were all a little less greedy and wasteful I'm sure we could be free of the stranglehold they have on feeding us our next fix of oil, and then we could look objectively at how they treat their people, you can bet your bottom that if Luxembourg was treating their women this way we'd have done something about it.

Short version - a lot of people are fuckers, quit blaming religion as your reason for treating others like crap.
 

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bodyklok said:
Dude your forgetting a load of Buddhist theocracy's that also treat people very unjustly and a load of other minor theocracy's like the UK, Norway and Israel well actually Israel has several major laws that are drawn from their religious learning's.

The Chamber's English dictionary defines a theocracy as: "A state in which God, or a god, is regarded as the sole soverigen, and the laws of the realm as divine commands rather than human ordinances - the priesthood neccesarily becoming the officers of the invisible ruler: the state thus governed."


Dude, you are seriously misinformed. None of the nations you mentioned are theocracies. The UK regards relgion and government to be completely seperate, Norway too, and Israel demonstrates no significant theocratic traits.