Unjust sentence for Saudi Arabian rape victim
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Am i the only one that thinks that if a few missels get launched there for the most part would be world peace? And plenty of oil.
Please go ahead and show source. From the impression I have received, the backing of government is extremely high as long as they get huge oil revenues.cainx10a said:
De-generalization is a brilliant way to downplay problems making the group seem only a minor player. Holocaust was not caused by nazis, it was caused by extreme nazis and regular nazis had nothing to do with it. Nazi ideology was twisted by bad men to suit their own purposes... Yeah right.SenseOfTumour said:
By my reasonable standards, well over 50% of the worlds muslim population is extreme thus only making it reasonable to generalize.
There is no causation between consumption and dependance on oil.SenseOfTumour said:
I am willing to bet you that without religion they would be a lot less ****ers and more of a reasonable folk.SenseOfTumour said:
If there were any way to verify the results then I would happily take that bet.Dele said:
It is astonishing how atheist-extremists, when faced with atheisms own little escapades into attrocity, develop sudden myopia and "that had nothing to do with us" disease, but are quite happy to blame everything bad on religion.
I think it's called 'denial'.
Well the world was pretty much fucked because of lack of religion.AndyFromMonday said:
Has an e.g. Stalin.
Exactly the same no?
One word, Hitler.cuddly_tomato said:
And Stalin wasn't an idiot just 'cause he was an atheist, he did what he did 'cause he wanted too, and him being a Christian doesen't mean he wouldn't had.
This is exactly what I mean.AndyFromMonday said:
When a Christian does something bad, he does that bad thing because he is a Christian.
When an atheist does something bad, it has nothing to do with his atheism!
I implore you, read this, and try to take in what I am saying.
People who blame religion for anything at all are either not in full possession of the facts, or hate religion so much they are willing to distort reality to attack it. Catholics and Protestants get on very well in England and in most countries, but in Northern Ireland they were killing each other for years. When the Protestants were lobbing hand grenades at Catholic funerals were they really thinking "Transubstantiation my arse."? It's circumstances that drive events, not religions.
Modern Islam is shaped by events in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq, which has led millions of Muslims to conclude that Western governments have got it in for them. 9/11 was merely a symptom of those circumstances. If you start from the point that circumstances drive ideas, then as a non-Muslim you can engage with Muslims in discussing how to deal with George Bush's (and subsequently, other presidents) Project for the American Century.
If you start from the point of view that all religion is nutty, you've got nothing more to say to a Muslim than, "How can a mountain move, you idiot?". However unreasonable some actions are, there is always a reason for them beyond religion, because religions very often reflect the reality of peoples lives.
In short - the Islam of a shop-keeper in Glasgow is going to be different from the Islam in the caves of Tora-Bora.
If a Christian does something bad in the name of religion, it's because of religion.cuddly_tomato said:
If an atheist does something bad, but does not do it in the name of atheism, it's not because of atheism.
Logic prevails.
Extreme differences, such as religion and ethnicity often cause polarized feelings and increased tensions between members of different groups. Because of this, atheism and secularism makes the people less radicalized. Of course you could argue that if everybody adopted a single religion, this problem would be solved but seeing as how religions are cultural and have tendency to split up, it can hardly be seen as a lasting solution.
In that case...Dele said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7082795.stm
http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4119054
...by your own logic atheism is an extremist philosphy and must be consigned to the wastes of history.
My point, which you are in fact making for me Dele, is that extremists and idiots will do bad things no matter what their creed or religion. This guy was atheist, and used atheism and natural selection to justify his shooting spree. Does that make atheism culpable?Dele said:
No.
The exact same applies to Islamic suicide bombers though.
Circumstances drive actions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7098480.stm
I detect the rotten stink of American globalization behind all this. I'd like to know how well connected the rapists were to the Royal Princes.
I detect the rotten stink of American globalization behind all this. I'd like to know how well connected the rapists were to the Royal Princes.
