UPDATED!!!! Is she being selfish to want a baby??

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Dags90

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Pirate Kitty said:
I don't understand how it could be rape. I'm trying, but I don't see it. Help me out here - I'm curious.

If it isn't illegal where she lives then she has the right to continue with her plans.

If it is, well then I hope criminal justice takes its course.
If the consent is given only through fraud, then it's not considered legally valid consent in the same way that consent under duress isn't valid.
Right now it's not well established in many places; it's not explicitly legal or illegal. From what little I've read on UK law, it could be argued that consent is invalid from this passage of the Sexual Offenses Act of 2003:
(2)The circumstances are that?

(a)the defendant intentionally deceived the complainant as to the nature or purpose of the relevant act;

(b)the defendant intentionally induced the complainant to consent to the relevant act by impersonating a person known personally to the complainant.
So it seems her friend may have in fact committed rape, because she's intentionally deceiving her boyfriend into thinking the purpose of the sex is pleasure and intimacy, when she's trying to have a baby. This is the same thing that makes it presumably illegal to say mislead someone into having sex under the guise of medical treatment or whatever else.
 

tigermilk

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This has probably been said allready. If she really loves him she won't lie to him like this and ignore what he wants ust to get her own way. Anyone who acts like that isn't mature enough to have a child. Also he should where a condom.
 

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The fact she's getting off the pill and not telling him is an instant red flag. If you want a one-way ticket to the end of a relationship, decide you want a baby and take the steps to let one come without telling your spouse. He might stay around just to take care of the kid, but the trust has now been completely destroyed. So first thing first is to either keep taking the pill or tell him she's gonna stop. No surprises. I would take child support and custody battles over staying with a woman who decided it was ok to lie to me and get pregnant with my baby. I don't care why she does it, I couldn't tolerate it. It's a completely selfish thing to do and it's taking advantage of your lover's trust. I'd also find it insulting because most cases here in the US the woman decides that she wants a baby and whether her man agrees or not, anything other than "yeah, let's do it" gets her to thinking of "Well, I know he'll want one too and he doesn't know what he REALLY wants so I'll just stop taking precautions and we'll get pregnant anyway."

I cannot stress enough how bad an idea this is, even if the above isn't her exact mindset, it's somewhere along the lines of "he doesn't get it." There is no planning for parenting. If anything is going to smack you right in the face with a curve ball, it's having a kid. Be that a miscarriage or birth defects or whatever could possibly go wrong. It might be her body, and she can do what she wills with it, but the seed comes from his. That's just as much his choice and his responsibility.

A good deterrent for this kind of idea that I like to consider is calling it cheating on your significant other with themselves (that is hard as hell to explain to some people too) or just comparing it to drunk or drugged rape.

That's my two bits on it anyway, not everybody shares my opinion but I hope comparing it to cheating on or violating your partner gives enough people that THINK this is okay the cold smack to realize they're treating someone they claim to love unfairly. I have a lot of negative opinions about mothers of any age living in Washington state. Simple rules in terms of how divorce and custody and child support works: If you have a penis and she is not legally insane or otherwise unfit to care for the child, you're fucked. In terms of marriage and children, there is no goddamn reason for any man in Washington State to trust a woman by her word alone. She'll just be sucking us dry in child and spousal support when shit goes south. I say "when" for scare tactics obviously. Who knows, she might wind up pregnant and it be the exact thing they need and everything works out and they have a happily ever after. I've just always found it safe to assume the "HEA" is not coming. Because if it doesn't, both sides have a lot to lose.
 

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You don't keep secrets... ever! *Watches episode of Friends where Ross realizes...

She obviously hasn't thought about how having a baby will be like in the last years of Uni. I see greed written all over it.
 

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quantumsoul said:
Why is all the blame put on the girl? The guy is spineless and can't make a decision. Likely scared he'll loose her and says he's ok with accidental pregnancy.

I don't think they should have kids, but if he's just going to let her do what she wants then that's their problem. Be a good friend give your 2 cents and let them do what they want as stupid as it may be. It work itself out. I think most people don't plan pregnancy anyways.
"Why is all the blame put on the girl?"

Becuase she is deciving him into having a baby. He wants to finish college first and get a stable job so he can do all he can for the babys future, and she is going to throw it all away becuase she isn't patient. She is going to ruin her life, her boyfriends life, and the babys life. It's best not to rush decisions for this kind of stuff and him being undecided has nothing to do with him being spineless.
I got the impression he knew what she was planning since you said he still sleeps with her when he knows she's on the pill.

He's still being wishy washy. He really needs to put his foot down and tell her no and that he wants to wait. Him saying he doesn't care if she gets accidentally pregnant makes things worse. I know he's trying to be a good guy and make her feel secure but that's the last thing he needs to do. If she's scared about getting pregnant she wont pull this crap. I hope things work out.
 

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Well this thread is a bit old / long now, but here's my 2 cents.




1- Distance yourself from this woman, now. Don't think about it, just get away.
2- Tell your friend what's going on. You aren't betraying the girl, she put you in a situation where you are directly able to prevent a catastrophe. This makes -You- responsible as the only sane person possessing this information.
3- Actually those two should suffice.




I was in a situation like this one a few years ago, I was in my early 20s and I was dating this girl for about 2 years and a half. At one point she starts talking about "Pregnancy" and "Children" and of course I said it was too early.

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She claimed she was on the pill.

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But eventually she wanted more sex than normal, which was strange... and asked me some awkward questions about what I thought of as "Our future".



Long story short; she eventually got pregnant and the situation was "Taken care of".



The time between when she said "What would you say if I told you I was pregnant...?" and when it was taken care of, was the most horrifying time period of my life.


I did -NOT- want to stay with this woman for life.
I did -NOT- want a child.
I did -NOT- know what was going to happen or what I was going to do for money.



Please save your friend from this kind of fate. Insane women may be good in the sack, but they're not good for the long haul and ESPECIALLY not good to keep around children.
 

Mr Montmorency

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In the big picture, the world has enough children,and she's being selfish for thinking she should contribute to the world overpopulation by having another.

Small picture, she's selfish for misleading her partner into having a kid and burdening him for the rest of his life with a kid.

Overall, I hate humanity.
 

ezeroast

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silasbufu said:
There is no baby! She's not even pregnant yet, so you're talking about an idea of a baby, which is not even an argument.
Not to mention that he didn't even finish Uni, no steady job, shouldn't a baby be brought in a safe and pleasant environment in which the parents can provide anything he needs?
In my country some children don't even know what candy is; they are also forced by their parents at an early age to beg for money on the streets and in subways;
I know the idea of having a baby is pretty and pink with flowers, but there's more to it.
I'm fairly sure the idea of a baby is totally the argument.
I agree 100% that a baby should be brought up in a safe a pleasant environment. So one where the mother tricks the father into having a kid is NOT a nice environment.
 

ezeroast

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Archedgar said:
Well this thread is a bit old / long now, but here's my 2 cents.




1- Distance yourself from this woman, now. Don't think about it, just get away.
2- Tell your friend what's going on. You aren't betraying the girl, she put you in a situation where you are directly able to prevent a catastrophe. This makes -You- responsible as the only sane person possessing this information.
3- Actually those two should suffice.




I was in a situation like this one a few years ago, I was in my early 20s and I was dating this girl for about 2 years and a half. At one point she starts talking about "Pregnancy" and "Children" and of course I said it was too early.

!

She claimed she was on the pill.

!

But eventually she wanted more sex than normal, which was strange... and asked me some awkward questions about what I thought of as "Our future".



Long story short; she eventually got pregnant and the situation was "Taken care of".



The time between when she said "What would you say if I told you I was pregnant...?" and when it was taken care of, was the most horrifying time period of my life.


I did -NOT- want to stay with this woman for life.
I did -NOT- want a child.
I did -NOT- know what was going to happen or what I was going to do for money.



Please save your friend from this kind of fate. Insane women may be good in the sack, but they're not good for the long haul and ESPECIALLY not good to keep around children.
well said
 

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ezeroast said:
silasbufu said:
There is no baby! She's not even pregnant yet, so you're talking about an idea of a baby, which is not even an argument.
Not to mention that he didn't even finish Uni, no steady job, shouldn't a baby be brought in a safe and pleasant environment in which the parents can provide anything he needs?
In my country some children don't even know what candy is; they are also forced by their parents at an early age to beg for money on the streets and in subways;
I know the idea of having a baby is pretty and pink with flowers, but there's more to it.
I'm fairly sure the idea of a baby is totally the argument.
I agree 100% that a baby should be brought up in a safe a pleasant environment. So one where the mother tricks the father into having a kid is NOT a nice environment.
Ok, in this case I think I might have misinterpreted your quote. I'm glad we agree.
 

ezeroast

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silasbufu said:
ezeroast said:
silasbufu said:
There is no baby! She's not even pregnant yet, so you're talking about an idea of a baby, which is not even an argument.
Not to mention that he didn't even finish Uni, no steady job, shouldn't a baby be brought in a safe and pleasant environment in which the parents can provide anything he needs?
In my country some children don't even know what candy is; they are also forced by their parents at an early age to beg for money on the streets and in subways;
I know the idea of having a baby is pretty and pink with flowers, but there's more to it.
I'm fairly sure the idea of a baby is totally the argument.
I agree 100% that a baby should be brought up in a safe a pleasant environment. So one where the mother tricks the father into having a kid is NOT a nice environment.
Ok, in this case I think I might have misinterpreted your quote. I'm glad we agree.
Coolio! :D
 

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Yeah, maybe you should tell her she needs to wait until they are fully ready. I don't just mean emotionally, I mean financially. When they have a steady income and are sure they can afford the kid.

Also, I would say it's a really bad idea to trick him into having a kid. Lets say it happens, he finds out later that she did it intentionally, he feels betrayed, walks out.

I don't know the guy so I don't know if this would actually happen, but if it was me...I'm just saying she shouldn't trick him into having a kid, at best, it will put a wedge in their relationship. Especially if he has to cut his university career short. Put his whole life on hold because she can't wait a few more years.
 

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That's basically killing him. "you don't have a life anymore because you get to take care of this baby you thought you were protected from".
 

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DemonicVixen said:
I quoted you so you might read this. You probably won't but whatevs. I just thought it was important.

If you're lying to each other, or withholding truth, your marriage or relationship will fail. Period. It's what happens. The divorce rate in this country is absurd, and psychologists report the first thing to happen that leads to a divorce is deception and loss of trust.

Please, if you do decide to read this post, tell your friend: Do. Not. Withhold! If she does, their lives will be ruined, and I would hate to see another child grow up with a single parent. If she is dead-set on pursuing her course, she should tell him. Plain and simple.
 

VanityGirl

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You said the guy doesn't care if they have sex unprotected and doesn't seem standoffish when she talks about having a kid.

Even though she's being stupid, her partner needs to be more clear in laying down the law on sex. Unprotected? Don't do it! If she jokes, he needs to laugh and tell her "after college".
The guy needs to let her know more firmly "No babies until college is over!"

But selfish? I would say so. She wants a kid, but he doesn't (?). Tell her to get back on the pill and just wait. If she waits she can give her kid a better life.

Also, if her maternal instincts are really kicking in that bad, let her boyfriend get her a pet. Raising a pet will keep her mind off of having children for a while.
 

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She's 20?

Well it's her choice, but I think it's way too early, finish your courses, get into a stable job, have enough money to do something crazy, then you're almost ready to have a baby.
Almost? What else is there?