Vague case warrens The death penalty

[Macgyvercas]

This seems somewhat off. I thought reasonable doubt automatically meant the death penalty is not to be used. And I'm fairly certain 7 people changing their story counts as reasonable doubt.

I support the death penalty, but only when there is hard evidence to back up the reasoning for it, which is something this case lacks.

 

[pubbing]

You guys realize that that article was written by someone who doesn't like the death penalty in general and left a lot of facts out about the case, don't you?

No physical evidence is bull shit!!!! Troy Davis had the victims blood on his pants. Troy Davis and the man that Davis claims shot the victim owned the same caliber weapon that was used to shoot this man. But ballistics on the bullets found at the scene also matched a previous shooting where Troy Davis was involved.

He shot the cop. He is guilty.

 

[Snoozer]

Torturing random people in Guantanamo, death penalty without evidence? This is China ...

 

[keinechance]

I think what get's me most is the fact that the real murderer is propably laughing his ass of right now.

 

[lemby117]

You guys realize that that article was written by someone who doesn't like the death penalty in general and left a lot of facts out about the case, don't you?

No physical evidence is bull shit!!!! Troy Davis had the victims blood on his pants. Troy Davis and the man that Davis claims shot the victim owned the same caliber weapon that was used to shoot this man. But ballistics on the bullets found at the scene also matched a previous shooting where Troy Davis was involved.

He shot the cop. He is guilty.

You do realise how many people are disputing the balistic tests right, Just checking. I have had a say to calm down about this, so now what pises me off is that i made a thread just like this 7 days ago.

 

[Woodsey]

Yeah, its appalling.

How much of this shit is it going to take for you guys to fucking realise the problem with the death penalty? Mind you, I'm sure China and plenty of places in the Middle East are applauding you, so congratulations.

 

[Brandon237]

Yay america, land of the free.

'Course, you can't be jailed if you are dead!

This is sick, the law should only be used where hard evidence and common sense can't be. I also get the feeling that the fact that this guy supposedly shot a cop, not a civilian, is the main reason the death penalty is being used here. Stupidity at its finest folks!

 

[DKen2021]

You guys realize that that article was written by someone who doesn't like the death penalty in general and left a lot of facts out about the case, don't you?

No physical evidence is bull shit!!!! Troy Davis had the victims blood on his pants. Troy Davis and the man that Davis claims shot the victim owned the same caliber weapon that was used to shoot this man. But ballistics on the bullets found at the scene also matched a previous shooting where Troy Davis was involved.

He shot the cop. He is guilty.

Where did you here this from? I didn't read about the cop's blood on his pants anywhere in the article.

 

[Asehujiko]

You sir, and people who think as you do, need to be deported.
I don't want to even live in the same country as people that think the same way as you.
The fact that you vote disturbs me.
America has only one way to go and that is forward. If you cannot also move in this direction, and wish to believe and say things like that, then you should get out of the way.
You wouldn't be talking so tough if you had to see death up close.

How is it not moving forward to want criminals to be punished?

Society exists as a social contract. Those that violate the contract must be punished or society becomes meaningless.

You can wax philosophic about mercy and redemption and all that, but there's one basic fact that that doesn't take into account. Some people are simply beyond redemption. They do terrible things and they aren't even apologetic for it. Allowing these people any leeway does a terrible disservice to their victims, society and the perpetrators themselves. They made the choice to act as they did, they must be punished for it.

So tell me, after a victim is released from your hypothetical gulag, how do you expect them to function in normal society again, after they spent the last n years unlearning all social skills and picking up a burning hatred for your injustice system? Punish them again because you made it impossible for them to adapt back to regular life? And again?

 

[Agayek]

So tell me, after a victim is released from your hypothetical gulag, how do you expect them to function in normal society again, after they spent the last n years unlearning all social skills and picking up a burning hatred for your injustice system? Punish them again because you made it impossible for them to adapt back to regular life? And again?

Why would I want them to operate in normal society?

 

[Zetatrain]

double post

 

[Zetatrain]

You sir, and people who think as you do, need to be deported.
I don't want to even live in the same country as people that think the same way as you.
The fact that you vote disturbs me.
America has only one way to go and that is forward. If you cannot also move in this direction, and wish to believe and say things like that, then you should get out of the way.
You wouldn't be talking so tough if you had to see death up close.

How is it not moving forward to want criminals to be punished?

Society exists as a social contract. Those that violate the contract must be punished or society becomes meaningless.

You can wax philosophic about mercy and redemption and all that, but there's one basic fact that that doesn't take into account. Some people are simply beyond redemption. They do terrible things and they aren't even apologetic for it. Allowing these people any leeway does a terrible disservice to their victims, society and the perpetrators themselves. They made the choice to act as they did, they must be punished for it.

So tell me, after a victim is released from your hypothetical gulag, how do you expect them to function in normal society again, after they spent the last n years unlearning all social skills and picking up a burning hatred for your injustice system? Punish them again because you made it impossible for them to adapt back to regular life? And again?

By victim do you mean an innocent man sent to jail or a man that was actually guilty of a crime committed.

 

[Asehujiko]

So tell me, after a victim is released from your hypothetical gulag, how do you expect them to function in normal society again, after they spent the last n years unlearning all social skills and picking up a burning hatred for your injustice system? Punish them again because you made it impossible for them to adapt back to regular life? And again?

Why would I want them to operate in normal society?

So your plan is to lock up everybody forever once they do something wrong?

 

[Agayek]

So your plan is to lock up everybody forever once they do something wrong?

Once someone violates the social contract, they should be punished in a manner befitting their crimes. If said crime is bad enough to warrant jail time, their continued wellbeing, state of mind, dignity, or even existence are irrelevant. They made a choice to attack, rob or otherwise harm another individual. By doing so, they forfeit whatever rights they may have had.

They will have to prove they are worthy of such rights before they are granted them again. If they are released and commit another crime of sufficient magnitude, then they clearly have not proven themselves worthy of said rights.

My plan is not to lock up everyone forever. My plan is to punish those that violate the social contract, nothing more. Such actions cannot go unpunished. It's not about revenge, justice or whatever other bullshit you want to pretend jail and the like are about. It's about enforcing the consequences of peoples decisions. They made a choice, they must accept the fallout, regardless of how severe it may be.

 

[Astoria]

This is wrong. They have no hard evidence at all, only witnesses which are hardly reliable. You should only be put to death if it is proven without any doubt whatsoever that you are guilty.

 

[Asehujiko]

So your plan is to lock up everybody forever once they do something wrong?

Once someone violates the social contract, they should be punished in a manner befitting their crimes. If said crime is bad enough to warrant jail time, their continued wellbeing, state of mind, dignity, or even existence are irrelevant. They made a choice to attack, rob or otherwise harm another individual. By doing so, they forfeit whatever rights they may have had.

They will have to prove they are worthy of such rights before they are granted them again. If they are released and commit another crime of sufficient magnitude, then they clearly have not proven themselves worthy of said rights.

My plan is not to lock up everyone forever. My plan is to punish those that violate the social contract, nothing more. Such actions cannot go unpunished. It's not about revenge, justice or whatever other bullshit you want to pretend jail and the like are about. It's about enforcing the consequences of peoples decisions. They made a choice, they must accept the fallout, regardless of how severe it may be.

Good job completely ignoring my point and posting another rant about the same fallacy.

 

[TheKruzdawg]

The only time I'm for the death penalty is in extreme cases that some people have listed, such as war crimes or in cases of a serial killer situation. People such as that don't really have a place in society and depending on what crime they committed, I wouldn't like the idea of just keeping them alive indefinitely.

OT: In this case, I don't think this man should get the death penalty. Not only does the evidence seem flimsy at best, but I'm pretty sure that other people whom have shot officers or servicemen haven't been given the death penalty. Not that I'm condoning that action at all, but if it doesn't happen elsewhere... Consistency, people.

 

[Agayek]

Good job completely ignoring my point and posting another rant about the same fallacy.

I did address your point, but I guess I need to explicitly spell it out.

Someone commits a crime, they should be punished in a manner befitting the crime. If, after they are released, they commit another crime, they should be punished again, as many times as are necessary. If they can't figure out that some actions are unacceptable, they should be removed from society at large for however long it takes to sink in.

It is not the responsibility of the state to rehabilitate criminals. It is the responsibility of the criminals to rehabilitate themselves. If they cannot do so, they are not worthy of existing in society.

Everyone should be held accountable for their actions and decisions. Nothing more, and nothing less. The criminals made a decision to violate the law. The onus is entirely on them to become productive, or at the very least non-detrimental, members of society. If they can't hack it, they don't deserve to come out of prison.

 

[Vicarious Reality]

Maybe kill a police in the USA - get executed

Murder 69 people, injure 66 more, bomb a government building to kill 8 and injure 26 in Norway - probably get locked in a cell for 30 years with most of normal home entertainment