Valve Doesn't Hate Origin

[kebab4you]

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Done [http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7803/steamorigin.png]

Steam dropped below Origin this time on my system. By a whopping 4k. Wow. Just...I can see the difference now and why it's totally an issue.

In case you were wondering... /sarcasm

Was going to say maybe it differs between window versions but seeing how both of you are on win 7 it sure seems strange it such a big gap between what steam uses for both of you.

Edit: That said mine uses 186k when opened [http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3900/unledaxnt.jpg]...

 

[Radelaide]

I have issues with this. I already have Steam on my PC for getting all my gaming needs, why do I need Origin? Oh yeah, because EA are money-hungry idiots. My laptop is 3 years old and going on dead and the only reason I'd use Origin is for BF3, to which I'm entirely non-committal. But since my EA account for the Sims 3 would be an Origin account now...

Way to shoot yourself in the foot, EA.

 

[kebab4you]

I have issues with this. I already have Steam on my PC for getting all my gaming needs, why do I need Origin? Oh yeah, because EA are money-hungry idiots. My laptop is 3 years old and going on dead and the only reason I'd use Origin is for BF3, to which I'm entirely non-committal. But since my EA account for the Sims 3 would be an Origin account now...

Way to shoot yourself in the foot, EA.

If it´s about to die I wouldn't really expect it to be able to play bf3 anyway.

 

[Hagi]

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Steam dropped below Origin this time on my system. By a whopping 4k. Wow. Just...I can see the difference now and why it's totally an issue.

In case you were wondering... /sarcasm

Was going to say maybe it differs between window versions but seeing how both of you are on win 7 it sure seems strange it such a big gap between what steam uses for both of you.

Edit: That said mine uses 182k when opened...

Any smart program the like of Steam or Origin will greatly vary in it's memory usage.

If I open up Steam whilst it's in the middle of playing a 2 minute video I can easily get it over 200.000kB. Then once I close the video and the window (to release all it's resources) and open the storefront page I get 50.000kB. Closing the window and opening my library gets me 20.000kB. Not opening the Window at all gets me below 10.000kB.

If I totally close Steam to make sure it's not holding any resources in reserve I can probably drop it even lower.

Both programs will load whatever pictures and videos they need to load. They'll then hold those pictures and videos in memory for a little while until they're overwritten by new resources just in case you go back to the previous page again.

That number has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with the merits of either program. It's got everything to do with the amount of pictures and videos that program has loaded. The only exception being when you're playing games through that service (playing games through another means doesn't count as there's no reliable way of detecting that) in which case it should be smart enough to release as many resources as possible in order to free them up for the game you're playing.

Unless that number increases without bounds the longer the program runs (memory leak) or is extremely high from the start and never changes (pre-loading of all resources even when not used isn't smart bar a few exceptions) it's basically meaningless. And whoever compares 150.000kB against 80.000kB just shows that they don't really understand what they're talking about.

 

[Squeaky]

EA can sod the hell off if they think iam buying BF3 then, If i have to buy it though Orgins what ever happened to opitions why not just feed my grass and glue some whool to me might aswell be a sheep as it seems thats what you want fucking assholes.

 

[5t3v0]

I have issues with this. I already have Steam on my PC for getting all my gaming needs, why do I need Origin? Oh yeah, because EA are money-hungry idiots. My laptop is 3 years old and going on dead and the only reason I'd use Origin is for BF3, to which I'm entirely non-committal. But since my EA account for the Sims 3 would be an Origin account now...

Way to shoot yourself in the foot, EA.

Um... Not to be a douchebag or anything... But let me say something.

Origin is JUST A DOWNLOAD SERVICE. Having it on your Computer is free, and you only pay for THE GAMES. Either way, they are getting the same amount of money if they didn't have origin and you bought it from a store, or from steam even. They could adjust the prices, but its only required if you bought a physical copy of Battlefield 3, as with the Half life games on Steam (not that that is a bad thing, mind you)

EA are money hungry idiots indeed, but origin is not a solid sign of that. It would be if your account didn't record your games and for every time you move you had to purchase it again, or if it had a monthly fee to keep it running, which it doesn't.

 

[Worgen]

The only reason origin has 4 mil subscribers is that they are about to release 2 big games that people really want and both require origin. But I don't really see origin becoming as much of a digital distribution storefront as steam has become, sure they will get some 3rd party games on there but I doubt most of the other big publishers are going to be willing to put stuff on origin. Steam has the benefit of being owned by valve and valve isn't really a publisher, so there isn't a conflict of interests with someone like activision putting games on it.

The only reason why people installed Steam in their computers was because there were several games that required it to validate and play. Cant remember its name, it's been that long, that not even Valve remembers it. There was no incentive, no reason to use it, and people hated that ugly installer. But Valve shoved it down everyone's throats, and said "you use this, and you like it." And people eventually did. Don't matter if Origin now is owned by a publisher. GG was owned by Paradox. That wasnt a conflict of interest to 3rd party devs.

How can you not remember its name? HALF LIFE 2! And every valve game since then has needed steam and yes valve did force it on consumers but they didn't start out as bad as ea did, which a eula that stated it was spyware. As I said before, steam is more like a store, origin is more like an apple store, you wont see a microsoft product in an apple store, you probably wont find an activision or thq or ubisoft product on origin since they are in direct competition with ea.

Really the big worry is that each publisher will decide they want to have their own proprietary digital distribution store and only sell their own shit though it so everyone needs a ton of the damn things. Activision already has the blizzard store and its the only digital distribution that has bliz games.

 

[Funkysandwich]

But I'll ask, why is EA making BF3 require Origin any different than Valve requiring HL2 to require Steam?

I'm not talking about the actual service, I'm talking about how to get people to use it. Nobody used Steam before they were required due to games needing it. To suggest otherwise is lunacy or more bluntly, bullshittting.

Because when Steam launched there was no other digital distribution service with a large install base. And it's not like people will just switch to Origin and stop using Steam. People will still need to have Steam in order to play their Steam games.

I can live without games from EA on my PC, if I really want something from EA I'll just have to get it for my PS3. I don't think I'm missing out on much if I don't have Origin.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

get a fucking console!!! no DRM or Origin there!

Except for, you know, the entire operating system being DRM

 

[Twilight_guy]

Valve doesn't hate anybody. Can't say the same about the people who use the various services...

This thread just makes me think of two opposing armies killing each other over the true words of Gandhi. weird huh?

 

[Atmos Duality]

Yup, same here. I'm guessing there haven't been many actual new accounts, just the old converts.

Add mine to the pile.
An account I used for about 15 minutes to validate the DLC that came with my Mass Effect 2 install...ON STEAM.

 

[Radelaide]

I have issues with this. I already have Steam on my PC for getting all my gaming needs, why do I need Origin? Oh yeah, because EA are money-hungry idiots. My laptop is 3 years old and going on dead and the only reason I'd use Origin is for BF3, to which I'm entirely non-committal. But since my EA account for the Sims 3 would be an Origin account now...

Way to shoot yourself in the foot, EA.

If it´s about to die I wouldn't really expect it to be able to play bf3 anyway.

I haven't seen the minimum specs but my computer currently has issues with Dead Island because my CPU doesn't mean minimum requirements.

It's okay though since Dead Island is pretty terrible anywho!

 

[screwvalve]

But I'll ask, why is EA making BF3 require Origin any different than Valve requiring HL2 to require Steam?

I'm not talking about the actual service, I'm talking about how to get people to use it. Nobody used Steam before they were required due to games needing it. To suggest otherwise is lunacy or more bluntly, bullshittting.

Because when Steam launched there was no other digital distribution service with a large install base. And it's not like people will just switch to Origin and stop using Steam. People will still need to have Steam in order to play their Steam games.

I can live without games from EA on my PC, if I really want something from EA I'll just have to get it for my PS3. I don't think I'm missing out on much if I don't have Origin.

Weak argument. You're saying, well, first come first served, Valve got there first, they were the first to force a drm client to customers and now everyone should just use them. EA will have non-ea games on Origin, i dont understand why do people want a steam monopoly, it's it better to have competition?

 

[screwvalve]

How can you not remember its name? HALF LIFE 2! And every valve game since then has needed steam and yes valve did force it on consumers but they didn't start out as bad as ea did, which a eula that stated it was spyware. As I said before, steam is more like a store, origin is more like an apple store, you wont see a microsoft product in an apple store, you probably wont find an activision or thq or ubisoft product on origin since they are in direct competition with ea.

Really the big worry is that each publisher will decide they want to have their own proprietary digital distribution store and only sell their own shit though it so everyone needs a ton of the damn things. Activision already has the blizzard store and its the only digital distribution that has bliz games.

I hope more publishers do it too, competition is great, why should Valve get a piece of the pie with every one of the big publisher releases? Why make Newell even fatter than he is now? Valve dont contribute nothing to those games, they just charge a % to allow people remotely download the games after their rental client remotely logs to their own serverfarms.

Activision having battle.net sell 3rd party games, and making WoW f2p, wow, I'd love to see that. That'd get Gabe Newell really worried. He'd eat even more cake than he does now.

 

[Worgen]

How can you not remember its name? HALF LIFE 2! And every valve game since then has needed steam and yes valve did force it on consumers but they didn't start out as bad as ea did, which a eula that stated it was spyware. As I said before, steam is more like a store, origin is more like an apple store, you wont see a microsoft product in an apple store, you probably wont find an activision or thq or ubisoft product on origin since they are in direct competition with ea.

Really the big worry is that each publisher will decide they want to have their own proprietary digital distribution store and only sell their own shit though it so everyone needs a ton of the damn things. Activision already has the blizzard store and its the only digital distribution that has bliz games.

I hope more publishers do it too, competition is great, why should Valve get a piece of the pie with every one of the big publisher releases? Why make Newell even fatter than he is now? Valve dont contribute nothing to those games, they just charge a % to allow people remotely download the games after their rental client remotely logs to their own serverfarms.

Activision having battle.net sell 3rd party games, and making WoW f2p, wow, I'd love to see that. That'd get Newell really worried.

Its not competition, competition is between steam and impulse, this is just publisher drm bullshit. Really talking to you is pointless, I just read your name.

 

[screwvalve]

Its not competition, competition is between steam and impulse, this is just publisher drm bullshit. Really talking to you is pointless, I just read your name.

Nice to meet you. And Steam is not DRM? It is, dont fool yourself. Lots of games on Steam have had publisher DRM on top of Steam's own DRM. Titles like GTA IV, Dawn of War 2 and such. It's true that I dont like Steam, but that doesnt make my points any less valid.

 

[BabyRaptor]

I'm one of those 4 million people...I got a random email one day saying my EA account had been converted to an Origins one.

Doesn't mean I'll use it. /shrug

 

[screwvalve]

I'm really longing to the day every publisher has their own game store client, which they sell their titles and DLC, which require a login and password, and then somebody makes a special one-in-all download client that lets you add all the accounts into it, and makes it freeware. All royalties go to the publishers/developers directly, no middlemen involved.

 

[bpm195]

get a fucking console!!! no DRM or Origin there!

Ironically, having to put a physical disc in is a bigger inconvenience than most DRM schemes.