Veganism and you: would you ever want make that choice?

[Zephirius]

I need my Chicken Sensation, my Long Chicken, my spicy chicken filet..

I fucking love chicken.

 

[VoidAndrogyne]

I love meat too much to ever give it up
*nuzzles steak* I looove you. Yes I dooo

Anyway, message to vegans, if a cow isn't milked every morning they are in INTENSE pain by noon. And they usually have to be milked twice a day, too.

Cows only produce that much milk because they're kept permanently pregnant.

Then their calves are killed.


x0ny - Didn't what you just posted back up what I said?

 

[Mcupobob]

HELL NO. I need steak, beef, chicken, pork, etc. Meats are 60% of my diet.

This, pretty much I love mes steak.

 

[VoidAndrogyne]

Now excuse me, I have to go and listen to Pig Destroyer while sitting on my leather sofa next to my bear skin rug, admiring the deer heads mounted above the fireplace while wearing my leather jacket and boots, mole-skin vest, genuine leopard skin trousers and ivory necklace while eating some veal.

You know how Pig Destroyer are a grindcore band? A genre commonly associated with green anarchism, veganism and Crust punk?
And the name's pig as in cop?

But I heartily agree with you on the pescetarian thing.

 

[Macgyvercas]

I know this is only going to apply to religious people (which I'm fairly certain are a minority on the internet) but here's my arguement against veganism:

Meat eating is in the Bible. End of discussion.

 

[oppp7]

I'm slowly becoming vegan, and I've already cut out pork, most seafood, most milk I drink is soy, and beef.

But not because I care about animals. It's for humanitarian and hippie reasons. It takes about 10x the amount of energy to make animal products than the vegetarian version. Also, seafood is "bad for the environment (or some hippie crap like that)."

Also, I've cut out all unhealthy snack foods such as chocolate, caramel, potato chips, etc, because eating foods that make you even more unhealthy than before seems like spitting in the faces of starving people to me (that's also why I'm not getting into drugs or alcohol).

The only thing I'm not eating for health reasons is huge amounts of salt sprinkled on everything.

 

[Srkkl]

EATING MEAT IS MURDER.....Yummy yummy murder.

 

[Ham_authority95]

No.

I wouldn't enjoy life if I couldn't have my meat

 

[gim73]

Sorry man, I'm an omnivore. Nothing against veggies. Bread is an essential part of my diet. Rice, beans, potatoes and leafy greens all have a place on my plate. But I'm never gonna give up meat. Vegans that try to convince others that they have a moral high ground are pretty much on the same level as intolerant southerners who believe you should hate blacks as much as they do.

 

[Chunko]

My room mate last year was a strict vegetarian, and he dated a vegan girl. They both thought I was disgusting because I ate a kielbasa sausage when I went with them to dinner. Furthermore, she refused to wear leather, and dislike that I wore a leather jacket.

I don't have anything against them for their lifestyle choice, but I personally could never even delve into the vegetarian or vegan lifestyle. I like meat too much to willingly be a vegetarian, but I could handle it better than being a vegan under doctor's orders. Veganism, with its lack of anything in the way of eggs, butter, or dairy alongside meat would just not make life possible for me. Worse yet, there are vegans who are also on gluten-free diets by choice.

What are your thoughts? Would you ever do it?

Or are you a vegan? Share your experiences on what made you make that choice.

I read this article a while ago about how plants have self-preservation instincts, one example of this is how some plants secrete acid when being eaten by insects. These scientists said they were looking into the possibilities that plants are as sentient as animals. It sounds kind of far fetched, but it's worth bringing up with your vegetarian friends:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/science/22angi.html

 

[Sampler]

I'm killing the animals? technically i'm not as animals who would have been eaten by me aren't being raised and killed.

That's exactly my point - they never had a chance of life, you denied them from ever existing because they weren't destined to adorn you, or be flushed when done with.

You know there are wild animals? they do still exist therefore animals are still gonna exist and be a hell of a lot happier in the wild.

Really? Happier in the wild - heard of the food chain? Other wild animals aren't as efficient at killing as we - and yes we are efficient at killing, not because killing them quickly is humane, just cost effective - simple as.

Farmers get a lot of flack for not caring about the animals well being which is bullshit (pardon the pun), a healthy animal is a tasty animal and will fetch a higher market price so it's in the farmers interest to ensure they're well looked after.

Yes not every farmer is good at their job and PETA will parade those who cock it up - but you have to remember PETA kill more animals every year then anyone else (once rescued, if they don't get sold, they get gone).

They're all going to die horrible deaths anyway, within the factory farm system, so is it really worse if we prevent future generations from living and dying horribly at our hands?

Spoken like a true Hitler (he was a veggie too).

 

[SmartIdiot]

Now excuse me, I have to go and listen to Pig Destroyer while sitting on my leather sofa next to my bear skin rug, admiring the deer heads mounted above the fireplace while wearing my leather jacket and boots, mole-skin vest, genuine leopard skin trousers and ivory necklace while eating some veal.

You know how Pig Destroyer are a grindcore band? A genre commonly associated with green anarchism, veganism and Crust punk?
And the name's pig as in cop?

But I heartily agree with you on the pescetarian thing.

I was aware of that. It just happened to be the first band that popped into mind after Carcass and Cannibal Corpse. For once I was kinda hoping there wouldn't be any Pig Destroyer awareness about...

 

[Sampler]

I read this article a while ago about how plants have self-preservation instincts, one example of this is how some plants secrete acid when being eaten by insects. These scientists said they were looking into the possibilities that plants are as sentient as animals. It sounds kind of far fetched, but it's worth bringing up with your vegetarian friends:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/science/22angi.html

Most plants are poisonous - only reason we can eat them is because we've grown a tolerance to these toxins over the years, feed a carnivore a plant and it'll be dead quicker than you can say "thud".

As a test try feeding a cat celery, if you manage it without being clawed to death it's one down on it's nine.

Conversely meat contains no toxins of any kind, as they've been filtered out of the body of the host animal already.

 

[stone0042]

Not a chance in hell. Humans have been omnivores for thousands of years, why fuck with it now.

 

[bcponpcp27]

See these teeth we have called canines? They were designed to eat meat. If we were supposed to only eat veggies (as a species, not individuals, I'm cool with vegans and such) we wouldn't have them. Therefore, I have no qualms about eating meat, as nature obviously intended us to.

 

[Revolutionary]

Well I'm vegetarian, But that chick needs to stop pushing her beleifs on other people.

 

[jboking]

OP: Alright, in your situation I would have taken the time to notice who I was eating with and at least be courteous. If they think watching someone eat meat is nasty, then order something with minimal-to-no meat. Also, I would have worn a different jacket. I'm not saying she was justified in her comments or in preaching at you, but you could have predicted what was going to happen and stopped that awkward situation.

As for your question, I really like meat but I think if pressured I could become a vegetarian. Well, if more places around here sold soy stuff I might be able to. I'm not a huge fan of veggies. I eat enough to keep me healthy, but that's it. I need something to at least simulate what I'm missing if I'm going to go vegetarian, because I don't believe I could go on plants alone(at least not if I was straight cold turkey from meat...ba dum tish). Sadly, soy is pretty difficult to find around here. Admittedly though, I don't know that much about soy and how good it is.

P.s. I really don't give a shit about animals. I've been through a slaughterhouse and was fine, can still eat bacon and what not. I may be a horrible person for that, but if I ever became a vegetarian by choice it would likely be for health reasons only.

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Hey, you seem pretty on top of things, Know anything about soy products?

 

[brtshstel]

OP: Alright, in your situation I would have taken the time to notice who I was eating with and at least be courteous. If they think watching someone eat meat is nasty, then order something with minimal-to-no meat. Also, I would have worn a different jacket. I'm not saying she was justified in her comments or in preaching at you, but you could have predicted what was going to happen and stopped that awkward situation.

First of all, I don't walk on eggshells for nobody. They both knew I'm not vegetarian, and they both knew that I respected their choices. Therefore, they had no class in their judgments upon me. Furthermore, he didn't have a problem with it until his girlfriend had a problem with it.

Secondly, by that logic, the door swings both ways. I could have criticized their refusal to eat meat and other animal products, and in response to their "animal rights" claim, I could have made comments on how their ideals hurt commerce and livestock farmers who are simply working to make a living. Yeah, it's a pretty hollow argument, but then again, so is animal rights.

 

[jboking]

OP: Alright, in your situation I would have taken the time to notice who I was eating with and at least be courteous. If they think watching someone eat meat is nasty, then order something with minimal-to-no meat. Also, I would have worn a different jacket. I'm not saying she was justified in her comments or in preaching at you, but you could have predicted what was going to happen and stopped that awkward situation.

First of all, I don't walk on eggshells for nobody. They both knew I'm not vegetarian, and they both knew that I respected their choices. Therefore, they had no class in their judgments upon me. Furthermore, he didn't have a problem with it until his girlfriend had a problem with it.

You could have asked the girl if she minded. I know I've done that once or twice when eating with a vegan and they didn't mind at all and in fact complimented me for being kind enough to ask first. It's a matter of manners and knowing who you are eating with. Of course, with your "Don't walk on eggshells for nobody" stance I'm sure you don't much care about manners. You care about what you want to do, who gives a shit if it causes unnecessary conflict, Right?

Secondly, by that logic, the door swings both ways. I could have criticized their refusal to eat meat and other animal products, and in response to their "animal rights" claim, I could have made comments on how their ideals hurt commerce and livestock farmers who are simply working to make a living. Yeah, it's a pretty hollow argument, but then again, so is animal rights.

You're right, that door does swing both ways. The problem is, someone has to be willing to be the bigger person and swallow their pride to avoid a dinner conversation turning into an annoying and mostly pointless argument. I simply stated that if it was me, I would have been polite enough to be the one to do it. Also, you may notice I said that I wasn't justifying her preaching to you, simply saying that it could have been handled a better way.