Veganism and you: would you ever want make that choice?

[Con Carne]

The way I see it. The animal is eventually going to die anyway, so why let its death go in vain?
Eat them, and wear them. They're delicious, warm and comfy.
And for the vegans who don't believe in eating a living thing.....hate to break it to you, plants are living things too!

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

2. I once dated a girl whose sister's boyfriend was a vegetarian. When it was our turn to make dinner for everyone we had to make at least one extra veggie dish to feed him because that is what he eats. What I am not happy about is that when it's their turn to make dinner, why didn't they have to make me a meat dish? If I catered to his choices, shouldn't he have to cater to ours?

Probably because he doesn't want to contribute to the slaughter of animals, even by cooking and serving meat for his guests. Are you morally able to eat vegetables and grains? If yes, then he doesn't really have an obligation to prepare a "special" dish for you. If no, it's a wonder you're still alive.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Dont kid yourself, Veganism ideology is comepletely unnatural.

As beautifull and magnificent as Nature is, it is profoundly cruel and harsh. You look at Nature from within a space controlled by us, a culturally shaped landscape, rarely venturing into Utgard.

If ever you become lost in the Forest a shadow will creep into your mind and fear as the suspicion grows that Nature does not care about us as individuals, whether we live or die, and the incredible amount of energy it takes us to survive from nature alone.

Darwinism proves to us that nature is a horrible place, where everyday is a grueling battle, where it is cold, harsh and more often than not, an animal will be hungry.

 

[NuclearPenguin]

I am a vegetarian.. Thats it.
I dont eat fish. I eat eggs.

Eh, if you do the research, eggs are probably worse than meat. :S

Look up "battery cages." It's how we get eggs. Even so-called "free range" eggs.

Thankyou for turning me off eggs.

Eh, sorry, I guess?

Personally, I blame Peter Singer and my first year ethics class for making me examine the animal rights side to the issue, and not just write vegans off as cutesy animal-loving, oversensitive wackjobs.

No, that was a thankyou, not a sarcastic thankyou.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Dont kid yourself, Veganism ideology is comepletely unnatural.

As beautifull and magnificent as Nature is, it is profoundly cruel and harsh. You look at Nature from within a space controlled by us, a culturally shaped landscape, rarely venturing into Utgard.

If ever you become lost in the Forest a shadow will creep into your mind and fear as the suspicion grows that Nature does not care about us as individuals, whether we live or die, and the incredible amount of energy it takes us to survive from nature alone.

Appeal to nature. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature]

Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good. Just because something does not occur in nature, that doesn't mean it's bad. There are many "natural" occurrences that we would, rightly, view as immoral. The state of nature is a moot point.

Besides, it's just as "unnatural", if not more so, for humans to eat as much meat as we do in the West. Naturally, we're omnivorous scavengers, not predators.

 

[Credge]

I wouldn't eat meat if my body wasn't meant to eat meat.

Too bad I have incisors and a stomach that digests it.

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

However, if I have veggies round I'd make a vegetarian meal.

Do they feed you meat when you go around their house?

Some do.

I am a vegetarian.. Thats it.
I dont eat fish. I eat eggs.

Eh, if you do the research, eggs are probably worse than meat. :S

Look up "battery cages." It's how we get eggs. Even so-called "free range" eggs.

Thankyou for turning me off eggs.

Not to mention the fact it is just the result of chickens menstruating...

Oh dude that's disgusting, I can almost not eat this egg sandwhich now... almost

I was told that before making an omelette. I added another egg.

Thing is, if I already know something is tasty and that I like it, you could tell it was made from baby vomit and I'll still enjoy it. If you told me that before I ever tried an egg then I might reconsider.

That's why so many people hate Black Pudding despite it's wonderful taste.

 

[FirsstormGojkilp]

I can see why people choose to become vegetarians and, at a stretch, vegans, but \i'd never go down that route. I love meat too much, and I'm such a fussy eater. I don't eat any kind of vegso forcing me on a vegan diet would mean a quick death of starvation for me.

 

[Lord George]

Vegetarians annoy me genrally on some level, but I don't really care about it unless they try to impose their views on me, I am a great love of meat and leather and will not give it up for any reason thats not life threatening.

 

[Poketom]

I am a vegan :-D so naturally therefore i do like it . the lazy appraoch to answer the why question is to link to peta so here it is: http://www.peta.org/

Basically veganism is my passion and i wouldn't give it up for anything, despite everyone i know thinking i'm nuts for being one and being bombarded with the same questions everyday. I love animals and don't think they are on this earth for our own personal use so we should treat them fairly. Btw there are fake dairy products which help.

I hate your kind with a burning passion. Sorry, but I just do. It's not personal.

Just because you're vegetarian you don't have to like PETA.

This is a fine example of how vegetarians are associated PETA and the hate that follows them. PETA are nothing but bad publicity to all Vegans/Vegetarians they just go over the top about everything and force it down peoples throat. They don't seem to get that most people just get angry when people do that. I do however thing people should take it upon themselves to at least look into vegetarianism and some of the benefits of it

OT: I'm vegetarian because I believe eating animals is wrong and it's better for the enviroment. That's all.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I wouldn't eat meat if my body wasn't meant to eat meat.

Too bad I have incisors and a stomach that digests it.

Following the flawed logic of your appeal to nature fallacy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature], when was the last time you bit into a raw, living cow?

We modify our meat (cooking) so our bodies can digest it in the first place. As I said before, just because it's natural, or not, doesn't make it morally right.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I wouldn't eat meat if my body wasn't meant to eat meat.

Too bad I have incisors and a stomach that digests it.

Following the flawed logic of your appeal to nature fallacy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature], when was the last time you bit into a raw, living cow?

We modify our meat (cooking) so our bodies can digest it in the first place. As I said before, just because it's natural, or not, doesn't make it morally right.

You can eat red meat raw. We cook it to make it taste better.

 

[Travis Austin]

i couldn't stop eating meat unless my life depended on it.
i might eat some even if it did
also, i hate when vegans/vegetarians look down on you and try to make it seem as though their superior because they dont eat meat.
Plants are living things too

 

[FoolKiller]

2. I once dated a girl whose sister's boyfriend was a vegetarian. When it was our turn to make dinner for everyone we had to make at least one extra veggie dish to feed him because that is what he eats. What I am not happy about is that when it's their turn to make dinner, why didn't they have to make me a meat dish? If I catered to his choices, shouldn't he have to cater to ours?

Probably because he doesn't want to contribute to the slaughter of animals, even by cooking and serving meat for his guests. Are you morally able to eat vegetables and grains? If yes, then he doesn't really have an obligation to prepare a "special" dish for you. If no, it's a wonder you're still alive.

And so my point is still valid. Thank you for that. He shouldn't impose his choices on me any more than I should impose mine on him.

 

[asinann]

I've never in my life met a truly healthy vegan or vegetarian. They usually look jaundiced and are rail thin. The human body needs animal proteins to be healthy and build or maintain muscle (your muscles aren't made of soy.)

I personally think that vegans and the like can do what they want until they try to look down on me or tell me I'm a bad person for eating meat. That's when I show them that I'm a bad person, but because preachy people make me short tempered not because I eat cow (mmm, sweet sweet cow.)

Sorry i'm just curious about this but how many have you met? Personally being a vegan i'm deffinately not rail thin or jaundiced looking and am actually rather healthy as is the same for every veggie i've met or spoken too. It is very doable.

We have a much larger group of them in our town than we should, 30k people and I've met at least 20. None of them are healthy looking, all of them get sick constantly. And you aren't healthy, you are missing nutrients that you need and the consequences will show as you get older.

And if you eat fish, you aren't a vegetarian. If you occasionally eat chicken, you aren't a vegetarian. Vegetarian means you don't eat the flesh of animals, and contrary to popular belief, fish is an animal (so are eggs in my opinion since they have animal proteins and all.) Vegetarian = don't eat meat Vegan = don't eat or use anything that was an animal or is an animal by-product.

 

[Eicha]

If we didn't eat animals for food, they'd eat us for food. They don't care about our rights, I don't think zebras would start "Save the Humans" protests. Its nature to hunt and kill for food.

 

[Jiggabyte]

I'm a pescedarian myself. I eat fish, but not meat.
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The reason I don't eat meat is because it tastes horrible to me.

Oh hey, someone actually managed to ninja me. How is this possible?
Although since I drank that carton of sour milk I've tried to stick to soya instead of dairy where I can be bothered as well (i.e. pretty much just when I have white coffee/tea or cereal at home.)
My ethics on the whole matter are "whatever, we're adapted to be omnivores but at this point nobody cares." When we're already giving Mother Nature the finger with medical research and other modifications to our natural form, I don't see why people are concerned with diet like that. I just wish people would respect that something died for their meal/outfit/whatever. I'd hate to be killed for food just to be thrown in the bin half-eaten, or worse, for a really tacky belt.
As for living as a vegan, I'd rather not just because it's pretty annoying having to check everything you eat for those common ingredients. At least with vegetarianism and such its pretty obvious if it isn't labelled. If all that was handled, I could live. Although I think that when you're vegan you have no natural source of B12 or something?

 

[Nickolai77]

I am a vegan :-D so naturally therefore i do like it . the lazy appraoch to answer the why question is to link to peta so here it is: http://www.peta.org/

I'm surprised you havn't been flamed into the ground yet for posting that PETA link. Judging by your post count, your relativly new here, so i'll forwarn you that there is a LOT of PETA hate here.

On the subject of PETA, is it quite a "loud" organisation in the states? I'm from the UK and i hardly ever hear anything about PETA, dispite the fact that Brit's are supposidly animal lovers, so you would think they would be big in my country, but they're not. Hence personally i'm not that annoyed by PETA, since i hardly hear of them. But i can understand why people here do hate the organisation, based from the little knowledge i know of them. I'm just wondering how big they are in other countries.

On topic, i eat meat, mainly because its tasty and thus occupies a large and signficant part of my diet. Dispite the fact i'm a student, i would say i still eat quite healthily, meat is part of that equation. I can understand why people choose to be vegetarians, but it is just something i would not do. I also came up with an argument to justify eating meat, since the ethics of eating meat has bothered me. If anyone wants me to, i'll see if i can find it and post it on this thread.

 

[mattman106]

I am a vegetarian.. Thats it.
I dont eat fish. I eat eggs.

I respect the SHIT out of you sir.

Thankyou...
[sub]Why?[/sub]

If you read my (slightly ranty) post earlier I said I respect vegetarians decisions even if I don't understand them but I can't stand those who won't eat meat but will arbitrarily decide that fish are ok to be killed and eaten.

 

[Yormungandr]

I'm a carnivore, I love meat, especially steaks... hmmm...

My girlfriend however is a vegetarian, but the good kind. The kind which doesn't annoy people about eating meat, she's also accepted that I'll never ever turn into a vegetarian D)

And about the sck thing, she rarely gets sick and is one finelooking woman ;p