Vegetarianism
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You are going to have to eat MASSIVE amounts of food from now on. If you want to eat all the protein and such you need. if you work out and want to gain weight you are pretty much screwed. But since you are not a vegan I guess you could eat protein shakes and such.
A child in Africa might be starving right now because of you choosing to be a vegetarian! The veggies you eat are grown to die!
A child in Africa might be starving right now because of you choosing to be a vegetarian! The veggies you eat are grown to die!
Eh, the way we treat dairy cows is actually pretty sick. The machines overmilk the cows and cause damage to their udders. As a result, milk contains a small amount of cow pus. Anyway, there's a maximum amount of puss that's allowed in your milk. No, I'm not making this shit up. [http://www.agweb.com/DairyToday/Article.aspx?id=146553]Chartic said:
Pleasant, right?
Sense of humor, get you one.Chartic said:oh niceyeah_so_no said:That picture is AWESOME, and props to the person who put up the "Carnivore?" flier.Symp4thy said:Personally, I find it easy to overlook the way the animals are treated because meat is delicious. Of course I completely respect you if you choose not to eat it. I mean no offense from this, but someone sent me this picture the other day and I thought it was funny.
Whatev; I personally prefer meat without spices, sauces, marinades, garlic butter, soy, wasabi, or any of that. Just give me my delicious, tasty meat as-is, without covering it up.ThrobbingEgo said:
Seriously now--do you eat all your veggies without adding anything to them? If so, good god, your meals must be so terribly bland.
I love spinach, but like it even better with mirin and soy. Tofu is fab but tastes better with things added to it or in other dishes. Cheese+broccoli=win. A splash of vinegar makes collard greens taste amazing, that pinch of salt to lima beans when they're cooking makes all the taste difference, and anyone tries to take the butter part away from the butter-sauteed eggplant in my mabo eggplant is in for a world of hurt. Chickpeas are great; they're even better in veggie and coconut curry.
People season everything to make it taste better, not just meat. You are being disingenuous.
For the OP, good luck going vegetarian. Like everyone was saying, be careful with your protein and iron (depending on your gender, your iron intake needs are different--women in their childbearing years need a lot more iron than men).
And all this talk of food has got me hungry, and I just finished off all my leftover pizza. Bah.
I'm not a vegetarian and I didn't say seasonings are bad. I'm saying meat tastes good because it's seasoned, marinated, and complimented with other flavors. The same can be done with vegetable dished. It's called cooking.yeah_so_no said:
Unseasoned meat is bland.
1) M'kay.ThrobbingEgo said:
2) I'm with you so far.
3) I never said factory farming was right (at least I don't think I did). And relative to our discussion, the hypocrisy thing isn't irrelevent at all, as it is in fact the very thing you and I have been discussing. We've scarcely touched on the ethics of farming outside of how they relate to the hypocrisy of (extreme) moral vegetarians.
If you'd like to discuss the ethics themselves, I'm game. Just bear in mind that I'm not very passionate about that subject. I'm not very passionate about much of anything, actually. In fact, judging by your input on the matter, we might feel somewhat similarly about it, so there's not much debating fun to be had there, even if there was a fire burning within my soul on the subject of commercial agriculture.
I'm no carnivore. Granted, I enjoy meat more than vegetables and the like, but I enjoy the latter regardless. Except brussel sprouts. I hate brussel sprouts. Damn them.ThrobbingEgo said:
Yeah funny isn't it?. There is an ounce of irony around this. Though it's not completely untrue.ThrobbingEgo said:
Some of the food that is not eaten is sent to African nations and others in need of help as aid. You have to eat more as a vegetarian which means less food is going to be available for those in need.
Also the vegetables were grown to die.
I guess I just happen to think that way within the boundaries that I've already outlined.ThrobbingEgo said:
Yeah, except we'd also be using less resources on meat - which is a very energy inefficient way of getting food. So we'd actually have more food resources to ship to Africa in the long run.WickedSkin said:
And, last I checked, carrots aren't social animals with mental states.
That'd be some coincidence.-Zen- said:
Okay I've been very displeased with the internet after having read through how this thread has been going, because people are voicing ill-founded and non researched arguments, so as a vegetarian let me make some clarifications. Several among you have made vague arguments the vegetarians are all in it to save animals and be smug. While it's true that many vegetarians have made the step due to a moral reasoning this is certainly not the case with all vegetarians and that moral choice in no way applies superiority. You are simply playing off of an old, and ill-founded stereotype probably stemming from moronic organizations such as Peta. Other reasons for giving up meat are like Chartic is considering for health reasons, because red meat in particular is very harmful in any sort of excess. Their are people like me who gave up meat to take steps at reducing or eliminating the greenhouse grasses emitted from over breeding of cattle and other livestock. The methane and carbon from cattle far exceed that of all the earths automobiles. Lastly are those who give up meat for a religious or moral precept. I'm always concerned about these people because it is important that reasoning be founded on good logic (which many in this category have),and many are simply acting on a false sense of general goodness in all life. Also any and all opposition arguments referencing natural selection are null and void, due to the unnatural circumstance of their lives and deaths. Please think clearly before hitting the little post button please.
Pescatarian = eats only veggies and fish (and possibly products from animals such as cheese).Chartic said:
Vegetarian = no meat whatsoever.
Just thought I'd give a quick vocab lecture, as there are some vegetarians/vegans who would rip you a new, structurally superfluous asshole for getting those mixed up. At best they would rant about how you're such a hypocrite, and at worst...well, I'm not sure how dastardly they can get actually...
EDIT--Also, how could you do that to the poor sea kittens?!
That would still mean we'd have to kill ass loads of animals. Energy? Well the cow has to eat to live and grow. It mostly eats grass. If we stop eating meat and release the cow we can replace it's meadow with veggies. But we'd still need more and that cow still has to eat. Also counting calories meat is pretty efficient.ThrobbingEgo said:
Who said they had? And what does that have to do with the veggies being grown to die?
Yeah, I don't think there's going to be a massive transition overnight, neccesitating a slaughter. Just reduced demand over time, meaning less necessity to breed farm animals. Besides, aren't they all inevitably going to be slaughtered under the current system? If a euthanasia slaughter were necessary, it'd be no different than as it is now, but without future generations of suffering. I don't believe that that's the most positive solution, but it's no worse than the way things are now.WickedSkin said:
And cows don't just eat grass. You think it'd grow fast enough in a pen to support dozens of cows? I'd imagine it'd only be possible free range.
Also, we grow a *lot* of poultry. What do you think they eat?
And why not? I smell hypocrisy. In my opinion, vegetarianism is crap especially if you see some distinction between fish and other animals.Emmitt_Nervend said:
As for your advice, get some protein from other sources if you're intent on this course.