Then how would a plant recognize and fight back against a virus or bark beetle infestation? Just because neurons are responsible for animal sensations doesn't mean that neurons are the only way to go. Haven't you seen the Mythbusters where they proved that plants respond to music? They seemed to prefer Metallica. And a university study hooked up a sensitive EEG to a ficus and subjected it to baseline tests, and then a course of experimentation that seemed to show that the plant could not only feel pain, but emotions as well. Tobacco plants even warn each other by pheromone communication when one of their number is infected with a disease. That right there is smarter than a lot of people I know.Zealot1011 said:
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Hah! Who're you trying to kid? Nobody's 'completely sane'. The whole world's completely nuts! The only sanity comes from the animal kingdom. Other animals actually understand their place in the food chain.daviejjd said:
you lack the protein that you're going to need and to make up for that you'll need to start buying more expensive pseudo-meat and all that jazz. source: cousin's been a vegetarian for 9 years now and said it has a huge financial toll on her. but her spirit is high and will not give up.
so that's really the only thing i can say to you. if you feel it's right go for it, but expect some problems with money.
so that's really the only thing i can say to you. if you feel it's right go for it, but expect some problems with money.
what about the poor broccoli!? do you think they like being slaughtered!?
sorry, sorry. i'm with the thinking that we're made to eat meat, so why not. they really don't know any better. though i do buy free-range, etc, because i'd rather know they lived nicely before they died for my hamburgers.
edit: coming from someone who was veggie for two years.
sorry, sorry. i'm with the thinking that we're made to eat meat, so why not. they really don't know any better. though i do buy free-range, etc, because i'd rather know they lived nicely before they died for my hamburgers.
edit: coming from someone who was veggie for two years.
Humans are omnivores for a reason.
Also, if they didn't have a nervous system, then how would carnivorous plants (i.e. Venus fly traps) ever know if they have prey on them?
I don't know about pain, but I do know that plants have memories and feelings.Zealot1011 said:
Also, if they didn't have a nervous system, then how would carnivorous plants (i.e. Venus fly traps) ever know if they have prey on them?
Should look into alternative sources of iron. I was a veggie for a while too but I'm anaemic so it really didn't agree with me. You get a lot of iron from meat so if you find yourself getting fatigued you might wanna look into a good supplement. Also the darker a green vegetable is i.e brocolli and spinach the higher the iron content. Little nugget for you on that - Popeye was never intended to be a cartoon for entertainment purposes, he was a marketing strategy for spinach growers.
To be honest that's no better. The methods by which fish taken from the ocean have a very destructive impact on the ocean's ecosystem.Chartic said:
As for advice, here's what I can offer:
Buy and use lentils. If you find you don't like them, try a different type. They're extremely healthy and rich in protein. They go best in things like curries and bolognases (substituted for mince).
If you don't know already, try and figure out what herb and spice combinations go with what. The problem a lot of first time vegetarians have is that they complain the food is too bland. However what they don't often realise is that it's not because of the lack of meat, but just that the food hasn't been seasoned right. A good way to pick up what herbs and spices to use is to simply start watching a few cookery programmes every now and then.
Be more adventurous with what you put into your food. Another thing some people complain about becoming vegetarian is the lack of variety. However there are tons of different types of vegetables and beans to use, most of which I personally love.
These are just a few things off the top of my head. PM me if you want any more advice or anything, though don't expect a reply for about a week as I'm going to egypt tomorrow.
Maybe if you, you know, understood how plants work you wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.EcoEclipse said:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/flowering-plants/venus-flytrap.htm
Mammals, birds, and most reptiles have very similar brains to our own. While the centers for language and logical reasoning aren't as developed in most animals, the centers for pain are quite similar - as these are likely older pathways. It's reasonable to assume that most vertebrates feel pain much the same way that we humans do - and social animals like chickens clearly suffer in isolation or overcrowded areas.
Plants do not have brains. Plants do not have nerves. If plants react to "pain" it's not likely anything like what we experience. It's safe to say that plants are totally mindless, unlike most animals. To say otherwise is more than a little ridiculous.
That is true, but not all iron is necessarily accessible by digestion. For example, spinach (or at least I'm pretty sure it was spinach) has an extremely high iron content but the amount that you can actually get from eating it is quite low.jane_says said:
I don't have any problem with vegetarianism. What I do have a problem with is vegetarians who try to put themselves on a pedestal and make we carnivores feel inferior. How obnoxious.
And, while this sort of pessimism is the kind of trait that gives me a negative impression of people, aren't all creatures, edible or not, in a way raised to die?
Deep, right? Depressing too... damn.
Um... ice cream!!
And, while this sort of pessimism is the kind of trait that gives me a negative impression of people, aren't all creatures, edible or not, in a way raised to die?
Deep, right? Depressing too... damn.
Um... ice cream!!
Eh, it doesn't really matter in the long run, since common vegan foods contain high amounts of iron. They're absorbing less but, if they're eating properly, they're still getting their iron. Also, apparently vitamin C - which vegetarians typically get more of - makes it much easier to absorb non-heme iron. Go figure.CoconutTequila said:
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm
1.Because most of them believe that they are saving the world or something like that. I don't really know. I guess they also believe you are primitive for still eating meat. Again, I'm not sure.PyroZombie said:
2.Tell them that.
3.Yes
4.They believe that they don't want to harm the earth at all, like you I don't understand it.
I think that vegetarianism for the sake of health or just not liking the taste of meat is just fine, but moral vegetarianism is purely hypocritical. Unless you grow your own plants with your own soil (none of the store-bought soil and growth enhancement) and water, you're being very hypocritical. In the process of gathering vegetables to sell at markets and such, rodents are killed all the time. They get run over by the tractors that harvest the very vegetables you buy.
Seriously, I respect a moral vegetarian who grows his own stuff, because that makes him a man of his word. A moral vegetarian who buys vegetables at a supermarket is either ignorant of the death of animals in the process of harvesting vegetables or doesn't feel that animals dying is important enough to make your own garden.
Personally, I eat meat. Sure, I think about the animals, how they are raised to be slaughtered so that we may consume them, but then I realize that is the circle of life. Bears eat fish, wolves eat rabbits and such, dinosaurs ate other dinosaurs, and we eat cows. It's just what we animals do. It doesn't make us evil. It makes us omnivores.
Seriously, I respect a moral vegetarian who grows his own stuff, because that makes him a man of his word. A moral vegetarian who buys vegetables at a supermarket is either ignorant of the death of animals in the process of harvesting vegetables or doesn't feel that animals dying is important enough to make your own garden.
Personally, I eat meat. Sure, I think about the animals, how they are raised to be slaughtered so that we may consume them, but then I realize that is the circle of life. Bears eat fish, wolves eat rabbits and such, dinosaurs ate other dinosaurs, and we eat cows. It's just what we animals do. It doesn't make us evil. It makes us omnivores.
It's much easier to get protein from meat than eating beans forever. I know there's a lot of vegetables with protein, but it's not the same as meat.ThrobbingEgo said:
You know that Maddox is satire, right? There's an order of magnitude between torturing billions of animals from birth and inadvertantly crushing a few thousand voles. (Lifetime of suffering, versus a lifetime of freedom with a near instant death.) Especially considering that we eat meat for pleasure, not necessity.-Zen- said:
If I can save ten people, but one person's going to die anyway regardless of my actions, does that mean I should let eleven people die?
I don't think moral vegetarianism is indefensible.
Explain how it's easier. If you eat your dark greens and your fibers, you're getting what you need. That doesn't seem like such a daunting task.popdafoo said:
It's even cheaper. http://lifehacker.com/5271178/