Video Games as a "Murder Simulator"

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DefunctTheory

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Seeing as I play with weapons for a living, I'm here to tell you...

You are off your damn rocker if you think you know ANYTHING about firearms because you play video games.

Off. Your Damn. Rocker.
 

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Marine Mike said:
I call Bullshit!
No, really, Penn and Teller did an episode of "Bullshit!" on video game violence and do a better job than I could showing how blaming video games is a load of crap.
Watch it if you've got a spare 30 minutes. [http://www.casttv.com/shows/penn-teller-bullshit/video-games/x1af1p]
Watched that episode, perty danm awesome (the knome-esque anti-FPS guy was a treat, and the guy with the IMMORTAL shirt was too). After roughly 18 years of playing video games, I find that the reason I'll most lickely go on a blood-lust filled murder spree, would be from NOT having coffee or video games to sedate my aggression towards my follow human being constant onslaught of stupid.
 

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orangeapples said:
How many guns can you name simply because you were playing Counter Strike or Modern Warfare 2 with no previous knowledge of guns?
How many Pokemon can you name even just from playing the games and not watching the cartoons or comics?

I would have thrown a more realistic example in there but that was more fun :D
 

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Video games are just as likely as normal life to cause crazy people to go apeshit and kill stuff. I don't believe the whole video game violence argument.
 

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orangeapples said:
Nouw said:
My friend is crazy about guns thanks to this game. But he is sensible and pretty smart.

I can say I know a lot of gun names thanks to video games but is this a bad thing?
Only if you're borderline crazy.
Wait wait wait. So you are saying that knowing gun names is dangerous. No no no, you can't rob a bank using your encyclopedic knowledge of gun names from Call of Duty, you actually need to be able to fire a gun; and I can only think of 1 game out of all the shooting games that I have played, that gives any sort of advice about firing guns: Driver Parallel Lines, "Squeeze the trigger, don't go snatchin' it.".

Stop trying to put forth a point that isn't there. Video games simply do not train a person to handle a firearm properly, and as for people today blaming video games for violence today, you may remember that before the whole video game industry was a thing beyond the social outcasts, people blamed action movies instead.
 

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IanBrazen said:
counter strike is a murder simulator just like cooking mama is a chef simulator, or guitar hero is a band simulator.
I don't know how to play guitar, I don't know how to cook a five star meal, and I don't know how to use an AK-47.

If someone is already crazy, it doesn't matter what they are doing that set them off because they are already crazy.
if pornography influenced someone to become a serial rapist do you think that pornography is the problem?
No its the person, because 99.99% of everyone else who watches pornography isn't effected by it.

People need to stop blaming material things for society's problems.

This is our generations problem, video games are turning us into rapists and murderers, my 35 year old brothers problem was comicbooks and heavy metal.

Its the same old song and dance, first it was rock and roll, then comic books, then D&D, now its video games and when the next thing the youth of America likes comes out its going to be the next thing to get blamed.
i totally agree with you. sooner or later parents are going to blame twilight for making their daughters necrophilic
 

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1. I could maybe name the M4 and the AK47, not much more
2. toy guns teched me more about reloading than any videogame did.
3. i didn't, but i don't play that many competive FPS
4. Never.
 

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Look back as far as you like into history and you will find 'murder examples'; books from Shakespear include murder from poison & stabbings etc. They explain the plot and tell the read how to commit a murder.

TV shows such as CSI shows (some) of the investigative techniques - basically giving criminals a 'What NOT to do if you want to commit murder 101' and action films have been showing murder on a grand scale for years and years.

Video games makes things different because you participate in the action rather than just view it and get the feedback into your brain that you've performed that action.

Did video games give me knowledge of weapons that I didn't have without it? Yeah sure - but that doesn't mean I know how to fire one. You need training to expect the recoil and even something that seems as simple as re-loading it probably another skill that you need to train rather than pressing a button.

Did video games give me knowledge of warfare tactics that I didn't have without it? Yeah sure - but I doubt I would keep fighting if I got shot ANYWHERE on my body, because the pain would be too much - that is something that games don't show.

Just because video games are widespread and children have access to them it makes people twitch because they think their impressionable children will suddenly have a lust for blood.
If the parents had actually done their job properly they would have:

1) Prevented access to violent content (as much as possible)
2) Taught their child that video games are made up and NOT to be done in real life

The whole argument comes down parents who can't be arsed to do their job of being a parent and expecting the government to do it for them. Unfortunatly there are some people who cannot tell the difference between fantasy & reality, and many of these indiviuals have mental problems or live in an unstable environment.

It's not like its ONLY video games that influence people to murder; John Lennons killer said he was influenced to do it after reading "Catcher in the rye" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catcher_in_the_Rye)
 

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orangeapples said:
People are raised partially based on their environment. Are you all saying that Video Games, perhaps one of the most important things to a growing child, does not influence how they think in any way?
I beg your pardon? Most important things?
 

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SlowShootinPete said:
I see that as a fault of parenting rather than video games.
The parents are always to blame in some way, unless the kid has some kind of mental condition (read handicap).
 

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I must admit that, when I saw the title, I thought of this:[link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwB-yz7PxM[/link]
OT, I think that it is a culmination of everything we see today (tv, movies, news, video games, etc.) that desensitize us
 

FalloutJack

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Okay, this never gets old. I love watching video-games-into-violence theories. I love to watch them flit past on their way to oblivion (not the game). Bye-bye, quaint theories!

Not to be offensive about this (because I don't mean to), but I have heard this one since grade school. This issue pre-dates Jack Thompson by far. When I first heard about the video game violence issue, it was back in the starting age of Mortal Kombat! Where have we gotten with this? Well, we've done some more research with newer and better methods, Jack flubbed up and trumped up alot of charges, and every now and then someone wonders if there's any truth or proper corralation in the theory.

My answer: Nah, it's not all there.

I say this from both my personal observation and, yes, even research. Because I've had to do this at least a few times in the course of education in the past. The patterns I see don't necesarily bear out that games equal violence and violence equals games. I will explain. The normal reaction out of your average person from a violent game (an FPS, say, ranging anywhere from the most modern things all the way straight back to Doom) is fun. In many cases, the fun is violence for its own sake. That is true. However, the normal reaction to this is relief of tension and not "I wanna kill shit for REAL now!".

Games are suppose to be more theraputic than anything else. Having fun is a means to alleviate the desire to maybe kill your irrate and narrow-mind (possibly pointy-haired) boss. Some years ago, my brother worked at a natural gas company, and he and his co-workers deathmatched Duke Nukem in their spare time. I think they just considered it fun (and not to relieve stress, per se) but I never heard of any fatalities and my brother is currently a successful priest. So far, no evidence of madness on the personal or non-personal level.

Now then, I hear about these cases where violence has happened and somebody blames a video game. Right, because the game tells the player literally to put down the controller, pull out an AK-47, and go wild? I think not. Gaming industries are not out to kill people. It's bad for business. So, in no way (out of self-interest if nothing else) could they be putting in ANY message that says "Go kill people for REAL.". No. The problem is interpretation, and it is strictly in the minds of the players.

Lemme go over this little scenario as example. You turn on your system (console or PC, doesn't matter), get into your game and play. Violence is happening via pixels and sound effects. Fun is being had. At what point does this become 'pick up a shotgun and kill your family'? Two reasons. Something has gone wrong internally, or something has gone wrong externally. And both reasons are a personal problem of the player, not the game he happened to be working. If it's internal, it means something just snapped. There was an unhealthy psychological build-up that went boom. It's not anything anyone did on purpose, game or otherwise. It's just there, and it doesn't even have to be logical. If it's external, then someone's caused something like severe repression or possibly the onset of some badass anger issues, and when it's 'return of the repressed' time, someone's got a gun ready.

I talk about this like it matters what I say. I'm funny like that. But I guess someone has to say it, so the people opposed to my view can watch my counter-theory flit on by and wave as it passes on to oblivion as well (still not the game). I like to think I give perspective a twist and a turn, stand people on their heads 'till they see what I see. If it doesn't, at least I'm entertaining.

*Does a prat-fall to keep regular*

Have a happy!
 

Soxafloppin

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You can learn about guns anywhere, TV, Film and the Internet.

But yea, a crazy person is crazy, video game related or not.
 

kickyourass

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Well I personally got most of my firearms knowledge from movies and documenteries.

orangeapples said:
Now, we all know that Jack Thompson was a nutjob. Anything that could have been remotely close to video games, he would attack with no evidence to support him. He'd make a claim and find evidence that supports him.

but could there be some truth to his words?
no.

How many guns can you name simply because you were playing Counter Strike or Modern Warfare 2 with no previous knowledge of guns?

How many of you think you can reload a gun based on what you saw from a video game?
Well I personally got most of my fire arms knowledge from my dad and documentaries.

How many people here have looked at their school and said, "man this would make an awesome map."
no but I thought that about an apartment building I saw once.

When you are holding a knife, do you feel like you are in a video game?
No I feel like a cook, since I ususally using a knife to cut food.

admit it, we all have.


now, for a person to actually go out and kill a person, that takes a certain level of crazy that must pre-exist in a person, but is it possible that if it weren't for video games, that crazy person might not have had a place for those thoughts to incubate and focus and grow?


video games on their own are not a problem, but they act more like a catalyst when combined with crazy person.

video games = hobby
crazy = ill
crazy + video game = psychotic killer

granted that
crazy + anything = psychotic killer
Given: anything is not mental or professional help


[edit]

people seem to have not been reading this last little part, so now it is bold.

crazy = tension
video games = increase tension
trigger = snap
So since "Crazy person+anything=psycho killer" there's any number of things that can set them off or make thier crazy thought worse. Just assuming that it was video games that increased their crazy, makes you almost as bad as Jack-ass Thompson.
 

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Erm.... No.

Call of duty has taught me about murdering about as much as guitar hero has taught me how to play the guitar...

(although to be fair, I was trained by the army for real before leaving, and I actually can play the guitar very well)

So it's like porn teaching me how to have sex...

(actually to be fair, porn did teach me how to have sex)

Okay time for a real point:

Whether or not I choose to murder someone has nothing to do with my knowledge of how to do so... Just because I know what a gun is and how to best use it, does not mean I am more likely to kill someone with one... I don't even have a gun for a start, so in the UK my fantasy wouldn't even have a chance to come true.
 
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orangeapples said:
How many guns can you name simply because you were playing Counter Strike or Modern Warfare 2 with no previous knowledge of guns?

How many of you think you can reload a gun based on what you saw from a video game?

How many people here have looked at their school and said, "man this would make an awesome map."

When you are holding a knife, do you feel like you are in a video game?

now, for a person to actually go out and kill a person, that takes a certain level of crazy that must pre-exist in a person, but is it possible that if it weren't for video games, that crazy person might not have had a place for those thoughts to incubate and focus and grow?

video games = hobby
crazy = ill
crazy + video game = psychotic killer

crazy + anything = psychotic killer
Given: anything is not mental or professional help


crazy = tension
video games = increase tension
trigger = snap
Right. I could name more guns as a result of things I had read and seen in movies than as a result of videogames, but for some reason apparently movies don't make me more violent.-

I know how to reload some guns again more because of above fact and because I've actually had a very little gun training. Oh no, I know how to use guns and I play videogames, I guess that makes me a high risk, doesn't it?

Yes, I've looked at my school (and house, and university) and thought 'this would make a good map.' But it would make a good map for a game, or a comic, or a book, or a movie as well, so why should the game be any worse.

Videogames are not a specific crazy person trigger. Remember that Mark Chapman thought he heard the voice of God in a song and a book commanding him to kill John Lennon. If the videogame wasn't there, it would just be something else causing them to go kill crazy.

And despite what certain experts say, there is not a provable causation effect between videogames increasing long term tension and aggression. There may be correlation, but that exists also between physical competition and movies and in fact any form of medium could increase tension under the right circumstances.