The best thing about old, senile, shitspewing fucktards like this person is that one day or another, they will die with nary a whisper let alone a last glance.
"Video games promote hatred, violence and sexism."
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I doubt anyone will read this in full or take anything positive away from it, but here goes:
Gaming occupies the dual position of being the CURRENT whipping boy for society's problem, as well as being a tool being used by left wing politicians and their allies in a grab for tighter information control laws and censorship abillities. Some of the people making this push DO believe that they are doing it for the right reasons, but in the end it's a very, very bad thing for everyone involved. The basic idea being that video games are another reason along with "hate speech" and such that the goverment should be able to censor anyone the people in power that they disagree with or don't like for "your protection". All of the arguements in the media are simply connected to this. We saw a rise in this in this when the political winds began to blow in a leftward direction. A *LOT* of people do not want to believe this, but it happens to be true. Largely because many people voted "left" and for people like Obama because they felt that they would actually protect freedom of speech and such from the right wing that they have been raised to think is the traditional threat (and honestly that is not totally unjustified, and some issues like this one do go accross party lines to some extent).
The practice of quoting generic "experts" and referring to "statistics", and "studies" are pretty typical tactics used by this group. It's exactly the tactic used against so called "hate groups" who speak out against gay rights or whatever. Just like other issues that people might agree with, this arguement is being inherantly loaded. You don't see any real effective pro-gaming defense, and when they do have someone to represent the pro-gaming side they pick someone who is known, but they realize they can shoot down publically. Only studies that agree with what the media/goverment wants right now are given any air time, the rest are buried so deep that they are hard to find, if you can even find journals willling to run them due to the potential "contreversy".
It's simply noticible here because these heavily refined tactics are being used against people who normally agree with them on other issues.
It's also one of the reasons why I am a huge believer in totally unregulated speech, and feel that any platform capable of addressing massive groups of people should be required to be open to all/both sides of an issue, even if privatly owned. I have issues with private citizens being able to wield as much, if not more power than the goverment (who shouldn't have that abillity at all) in being able to decide who gets to say what to whom.
This is also incidently one of the reasons why The Internet is such a hot button topic with a lot of nations, as it circumvents govermental controls, and is hard to control even by proxy (with the goverment working through private companies controlling the media) since pretty much anyone can pull out their own soapbox.
I know many are going to disagree with me (especially given where I went with it) but the bottom line is that this kind of thing is typical, barely even noteworthy. Rather it's simply a sign of a bigger problem. Keep this kind of thing in mind when it comes time to vote, because really... that's all we can do.
Truthfully I think gamers should be more aggreesive in petitioning cantidates during the next election on gaming, and informational freedom in general. The problem with MOST petitions is that they tend to come about when dealing with people already in office and committed to a specific path. I haven't seen anything on a large scale during the presidential elections.
Heck, I *STILL* think a "million nerd march" would accomplish quite a bit.
Gaming occupies the dual position of being the CURRENT whipping boy for society's problem, as well as being a tool being used by left wing politicians and their allies in a grab for tighter information control laws and censorship abillities. Some of the people making this push DO believe that they are doing it for the right reasons, but in the end it's a very, very bad thing for everyone involved. The basic idea being that video games are another reason along with "hate speech" and such that the goverment should be able to censor anyone the people in power that they disagree with or don't like for "your protection". All of the arguements in the media are simply connected to this. We saw a rise in this in this when the political winds began to blow in a leftward direction. A *LOT* of people do not want to believe this, but it happens to be true. Largely because many people voted "left" and for people like Obama because they felt that they would actually protect freedom of speech and such from the right wing that they have been raised to think is the traditional threat (and honestly that is not totally unjustified, and some issues like this one do go accross party lines to some extent).
The practice of quoting generic "experts" and referring to "statistics", and "studies" are pretty typical tactics used by this group. It's exactly the tactic used against so called "hate groups" who speak out against gay rights or whatever. Just like other issues that people might agree with, this arguement is being inherantly loaded. You don't see any real effective pro-gaming defense, and when they do have someone to represent the pro-gaming side they pick someone who is known, but they realize they can shoot down publically. Only studies that agree with what the media/goverment wants right now are given any air time, the rest are buried so deep that they are hard to find, if you can even find journals willling to run them due to the potential "contreversy".
It's simply noticible here because these heavily refined tactics are being used against people who normally agree with them on other issues.
It's also one of the reasons why I am a huge believer in totally unregulated speech, and feel that any platform capable of addressing massive groups of people should be required to be open to all/both sides of an issue, even if privatly owned. I have issues with private citizens being able to wield as much, if not more power than the goverment (who shouldn't have that abillity at all) in being able to decide who gets to say what to whom.
This is also incidently one of the reasons why The Internet is such a hot button topic with a lot of nations, as it circumvents govermental controls, and is hard to control even by proxy (with the goverment working through private companies controlling the media) since pretty much anyone can pull out their own soapbox.
I know many are going to disagree with me (especially given where I went with it) but the bottom line is that this kind of thing is typical, barely even noteworthy. Rather it's simply a sign of a bigger problem. Keep this kind of thing in mind when it comes time to vote, because really... that's all we can do.
Truthfully I think gamers should be more aggreesive in petitioning cantidates during the next election on gaming, and informational freedom in general. The problem with MOST petitions is that they tend to come about when dealing with people already in office and committed to a specific path. I haven't seen anything on a large scale during the presidential elections.
Heck, I *STILL* think a "million nerd march" would accomplish quite a bit.
"But you can stop them from going into the cinema." As if you couldn't watch movies at home.
They keep ignoring that the game companies don't want kids playing their more violent games.
It's three against one. And I don't know but I don't think any of the three play video games.
"torture porn" -"Video games are more addictive." Are video games more addictive than porn?
"I'm categorically against violence for entertainment." There is as much violence in movies and books.
Gamers get energetic, violent, of moving around so little.
And are games really more addictive than movies? Isn't it just because movies are shorter and have a more definite end? What if there was a movie that didn't end so quickly?! Like say A TV show! Dexter, Lost, Prison Break, anime series - you name it. I've spent far more time with Bleach or Naruto than any video game.
They keep ignoring that the game companies don't want kids playing their more violent games.
It's three against one. And I don't know but I don't think any of the three play video games.
"torture porn" -"Video games are more addictive." Are video games more addictive than porn?
"I'm categorically against violence for entertainment." There is as much violence in movies and books.
Gamers get energetic, violent, of moving around so little.
And are games really more addictive than movies? Isn't it just because movies are shorter and have a more definite end? What if there was a movie that didn't end so quickly?! Like say A TV show! Dexter, Lost, Prison Break, anime series - you name it. I've spent far more time with Bleach or Naruto than any video game.
XD HAHAHA! Brilliant, thank you. You should be able to end the whole discussion with that.Nightzirk said:
Don't forget though that the main audience and the speaker herself are 'old biddies' (no offense meant incase there are any 'old biddies' browsing the forums).
This means that their opinions are skewed and they think that they are incredibly bad compared to the things 'back in the day', and maybe we ourselves will think this come another 40 years.
I am not agreeing with them at all, that is not my point, however, I don't think that their opinion should be taken into account.
This means that their opinions are skewed and they think that they are incredibly bad compared to the things 'back in the day', and maybe we ourselves will think this come another 40 years.
I am not agreeing with them at all, that is not my point, however, I don't think that their opinion should be taken into account.
I applaud the gamer for keeping his cool out there. I'm not sure that there wouldn't have been at least a change in my tone when the audience interupted me with rude booing...
That stamp from the ESRB is put on the game cover art FOR A FRIGGIN REASON! How many times are we gonna have to go over that? It is so simple. For the parents, 'monitor' your kid about what types of games is he after. For the salesmen, ask for an ID. If these 2 parties do not follow this, then how come is the game's fault?
I often wonder when I see panels discussing this subject, why they even bother to invite the ONE guy who knows what he's talking about, when they're so clearly just going to ignore everything he's saying anyway. Similar, to the Fox News/Mass Effect "Sexbox" thing where they had Geoff Keighley on and he was telling them the FACTS and they just continued to spout off tired old mis-truths about video games.
Yes, damn video games for promoting such sexism!sky14kemea said:
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All of these women are totally portrayed as being inferior. No doubt.
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That woman makes me rage. >_>[/sub]
Of course. Because The Alan Titschmarsh show is the cornerpoint of all things serious and political, and would never ever be biased. In fact, lets ask Piers Morgan. He'll ask some probing questions, like "HAVE YOU EVER HAD SEX WITH A VIDEO GAME WHILE ON AN AIRPLANE?!"
why can't terrorists nuke bitches like her? ignorant old hag should be beaten to death with a billy club!
There's no point in these "debates".
Too many ignorant parents bought games for their children that were out of their classification; and instead of owning up to their mistake, they decided to take it out on the industry.
They took the soapbox/strawman that those games were meant for children and there was no warning. They eventually realized that the games weren't meant for their children, and were clearly labeled.
However, once you've taken a stand like that; no one would admit that 1. it was their fault and then 2. they were wrong.
Personal Responsibility does not exist in modern society. Nothing can be your fault, and everyone else must accomodate and take responsibility for your failings.
Too many ignorant parents bought games for their children that were out of their classification; and instead of owning up to their mistake, they decided to take it out on the industry.
They took the soapbox/strawman that those games were meant for children and there was no warning. They eventually realized that the games weren't meant for their children, and were clearly labeled.
However, once you've taken a stand like that; no one would admit that 1. it was their fault and then 2. they were wrong.
Personal Responsibility does not exist in modern society. Nothing can be your fault, and everyone else must accomodate and take responsibility for your failings.