"Video games promote hatred, violence and sexism."
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It isn't a defeat if it isn't actually a debate. The only reason they invite "gaming representatives" to these things is to tell them that they are "wrong". If they didn't get a warm body or a floating head, they would use a literal straw-man.AntiAntagonist said:
If there was an actual unbiased venue for this sort of debate; yes, you are correct. These are not debates; these people have already made up their mind and just want to bash it into the "pro-gamers". You can't go in front of a firing squad and convince them not to shoot; in their eyes, you've already been judged and they are just there to pull the trigger. As soon as someone believes you are crazy, you can't rationally convince them you aren't; because to them, you're crazy.
GAH! CALL OF DUTY 2 Modern WARFARE!??!? ITS CALL OF DUTY 6 MODERN WARFARE GAH!...at least he didn't comment on Fallout 3.
My point isn't 'We're gonna win this here debate even though they have us dead to rights', my point is that we, as gamers, are not faring well in nationally, and internationally televised debates (even in more evenly matched settings). We have to understand every tool the curmudgeons are using and expose their school-yard rantings as a horse with not just blinders, but a full blindfold.Nuke_em_05 said:
Sorry to edit while you were posting a reply; I wanted to be fully cogent and hit a few more points.
*edited to add last sentence*
Video games only make immature 13 year olds violent, IE 50% of child gamers XD. But thats only because their so F*cking stupid...its ironic i say that as i is 14...soon...but i know how bad violence is, i understand how horrible it is, while 14 year old d*uches watch someone getting shot and say "Thats not that violent DURRR"
I LOVE THAT GUY who came in the show who defended video games! He is surrounded by morons who reckon video games are infulencing kids. (IE my mum) Anyway in Australia, everything that is EXTREME (Total dismemberment etc) is not allowed/censored. Anyway, my conclusion is BULL. FOOKING. SHIIT.
when he said "should our children be exposed to violence even if it's in a world of fantasy" that means they can't read a book which has violence in it.
videogames don't influence people to commit violent offences just idiots who play them do.
videogames don't influence people to commit violent offences just idiots who play them do.
I want to slap that woman in the video, srsly.
OT: As many already has said, It all depends on the person playing it and not the game itself. Though, as sad as it is, I can totally imagine some random kid doing something violent (the kind of level people start talking about blah blah blah) and then blame game with similar thing happening in it for it. God, hate those kind of people. That was kinda the case (except it was the media) when a girl stabbed her father with a cleaver, and they blamed the anime Higurashi no naku koro ni for it. Damn idiots.
It's just to hope that the whole hype of blaming videogames for almost everything ends soon. And when I say soon, I mean really freaking soon.
OT: As many already has said, It all depends on the person playing it and not the game itself. Though, as sad as it is, I can totally imagine some random kid doing something violent (the kind of level people start talking about blah blah blah) and then blame game with similar thing happening in it for it. God, hate those kind of people. That was kinda the case (except it was the media) when a girl stabbed her father with a cleaver, and they blamed the anime Higurashi no naku koro ni for it. Damn idiots.
It's just to hope that the whole hype of blaming videogames for almost everything ends soon. And when I say soon, I mean really freaking soon.
If i was hosting that show, i would do things a bit differently.
I would brandish a supersoaker loaded with salsa del amor hot sauce, and promptly fire a stream into the face of anyone the second that proceeded to spout garbage such as the blond lady was speaking. ^^
Then again, i am biased, though i do expect the escapist will deem my approach acceptable with gusto. =D
I would brandish a supersoaker loaded with salsa del amor hot sauce, and promptly fire a stream into the face of anyone the second that proceeded to spout garbage such as the blond lady was speaking. ^^
Then again, i am biased, though i do expect the escapist will deem my approach acceptable with gusto. =D
You cannot define color to a blind man. As hypocritical as this statement is; referencing my previous example of how they won't listen to the reason of someone who they have determined is crazy; you can't convince an actual crazy person that they are crazy, nor will an idiot ever understand that they are an idiot.AntiAntagonist said:
This "debate", as with any other "debate" over emergent media; cannot be "won", cannot be "reasoned", cannot be concluded rationally. Both sides believe unwaveringly that they are absolutely "right" and the other is absolutely idiotic. As with any other "debate" on emergent media, it must simply die of old age and lost interest. We keep it alive longer by trying to participate in events such as these.
Again, I'm not looking for an absolute victory. However I do want to avoid something like what happened with the comic book industry after WWII. The only way to do that and to shorten the time till gaming is taken seriously is to take ground whenever possible and not avoid a battle because the overall verdict is defeat. If we convince one idiot that the paint by numbers belief isn't entirely filled in that is a victory, however minor.Nuke_em_05 said:
Must. Avoid. Ranting.
To "shorten up" my response to this whole "Video games are bad. Ruh, ruh, ruh." fiasco, this whole problem that people have with video games could be circumvented with maturity. The maturity of the people playing the games, the parents buying the games for their kids, just maturity in general. If someone has a tendency to mimic whatever they see on TV, in movies, in books, or in video games then they should not be given any involving violence, racism, sexism, whatever. But for the mature adults who play video games and at the same time realize that they are but fantasy and that certain acts within them should not be repeated within the real world, why punish these people. These are the people who should be rewarded. Someone who looks in the face of (for lack of a better word) sin and can remain uncorrupted are the people who give humanity its good side. Otherwise I say let people be violent. It'll help get rid of EvilHumanity all the faster.
So that wraps up my "shortened" opinion on this matter. Believe me when I say that I could have had one HELLUVA rant if I wanted to. I mean when given the chance to write a satire essay in line with "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift I decided to write mine on this issue. And there were so many things I didn't even touch on such the bullshit "data" that was given, the fact that interactivity doesn't seperate video games that much from movies and other forms of entertainment, and the terrible rhetoric of the anti-video-games people. So yeah, when I get into a rant, I GET INTO a rant.
I realize that I've been ranting so I'll shut up now.
To "shorten up" my response to this whole "Video games are bad. Ruh, ruh, ruh." fiasco, this whole problem that people have with video games could be circumvented with maturity. The maturity of the people playing the games, the parents buying the games for their kids, just maturity in general. If someone has a tendency to mimic whatever they see on TV, in movies, in books, or in video games then they should not be given any involving violence, racism, sexism, whatever. But for the mature adults who play video games and at the same time realize that they are but fantasy and that certain acts within them should not be repeated within the real world, why punish these people. These are the people who should be rewarded. Someone who looks in the face of (for lack of a better word) sin and can remain uncorrupted are the people who give humanity its good side. Otherwise I say let people be violent. It'll help get rid of EvilHumanity all the faster.
You do make a very good point here. Video games are very violent, almost excessively so at times. Scratch that; they ARE excessively violent (and morally corrupt) at times. But then so are many movies, books, songs, and works of art. I mean look at how well the Saw series is doing. I don't care if it contains some philosophy on the worth of life in it, people mainly watch it for the torture scenes. And yes I do catch the irony of me bashing a violent movie on a forum bashing people who bash violent video games. In the end it all comes down to our current culture. We need to make some serious changes to our moral values or humanity as a whole will descend into the dark pit of immorality.Good morning blues said:
So that wraps up my "shortened" opinion on this matter. Believe me when I say that I could have had one HELLUVA rant if I wanted to. I mean when given the chance to write a satire essay in line with "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift I decided to write mine on this issue. And there were so many things I didn't even touch on such the bullshit "data" that was given, the fact that interactivity doesn't seperate video games that much from movies and other forms of entertainment, and the terrible rhetoric of the anti-video-games people. So yeah, when I get into a rant, I GET INTO a rant.
I realize that I've been ranting so I'll shut up now.
Yes video games have corrupted me
Im an A/B students, can read extremely well and try and believe that women are equal to men
so video games have destroyed my soul
Im an A/B students, can read extremely well and try and believe that women are equal to men
so video games have destroyed my soul
Eeeeeh, famous people hate games. Go figure.
My own two cents provided, I think that the choice of purchasing and playing a violent game is a responsibility of the parents and children, just as it is with movies and television. If a parent just goes up and buys a violent game for their child; blame the parent, not the developers.
There will be violence amongst other amoral things wherever you go, really. How you handle that, however, shows just what kind of person you are.
My own two cents provided, I think that the choice of purchasing and playing a violent game is a responsibility of the parents and children, just as it is with movies and television. If a parent just goes up and buys a violent game for their child; blame the parent, not the developers.
There will be violence amongst other amoral things wherever you go, really. How you handle that, however, shows just what kind of person you are.