Wait, this guy/girl is the hero? He/she's a dick!
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I would mention Martin Walker, but he kind of transcends the title of "dick". When I think about it, the only title that can properly suit him by the end would probably be "Sympathetic Villain".
That certainly was an essay. Very good.The Wykydtron said:
Anyway, a couple of points. As of P3P, the Male MC is no longer required to romance all females. Like the female path and P4, he can choose a "just friends" option.
As for the "I don't care" options - aren't they just that? Options? I don't remember having my MC ever say that in P3 - I chose for him to be involved and care about what was going on.
I rather thought that was the point - they gave you the option to not care if you, the player, choose to take that path. They also gave you the option to care.
I will grant that it makes me sad that those decisions aren't reflected more in the game itself, but Persona 4 has that same problem. It simply makes the assumption that you will be doing the social links. Persona 3 actually assumes the opposite - that you will blow off your S-Links the first game. I think this is because Persona 3 is the game that introduced them, and they weren't expecting that aspect of the game to take off the way it did.
As for the womanizing - well, you had the option to do that in P4 too. You didn't have to, as noted above, but you could.
Finally, and this is probably going to upset some people, but I found the characters and writing a lot better in Persona 3 than Persona 4. There were exceptions - Ken was utterly forgettable, I outright hated Fuka (possibly because her voice actress - she just rubbed me the wrong way), and I didn't much care for Aegis either. On the other hand, Kanji was a joy to S-Link with in P4, as were Rise and Ai. Naoto was an interesting character, but I hated her S-Link storyline.
As for Youske, Chie, and Yukiko, they just felt like pale imitations of Junpei, Yukari, and Mitsuru, all of whom were better written than the cast of P4. These are the three main characters, your first three party members, and their S-Links were dull and pointless. Compare to the great S-Links for Junpei, Yukari, and Mitsuru in P3. You say the MC looked bored? Do you mean the sprite, or the character portrait?
I love Akihiko, but as fun as his S-Link is, it isn't as interesting as Kanji's S-Link. Rather than a pale imitation, Kanji is a new and entirely original character.
The thing I loved about P4 is that the dungeons themselves are character development. That was one place where Persona 4 outshone P3 (Tartarus just isn't that interesting - well, other than when Death chases you around).
I'm starting to ramble here, but the point I was originally trying to make is the MC in either game is only as much of an asshole as you, the player, make him. Maybe the sprite is better in P4, and maybe they anticipated the player's actions better in P4, but that doesn't mean you can't make the P3 MC a nice guy (particularly with the advent of P3P).
Oh, and a personal gripe - why is one of the female MC's potential romantic interests Ken? The Elementary school kid? Ick. That's just so wrong.
It's cheating because it's a different persona, but the Practical Incarnation from Planescape Torment. He does so much helpful stuff for you in the process of completely ruining everybody's lives forever. And HARD. he's more hateable than the main villain by far.
On the subject of not only dickish video game characters, but dickish video game characters called Rico, we have Rico from Killzone 2! What a dick.
There actually Are. The flags for those routes, however, aren't really clear, and are more or less pretty early in the S Link progression.The Wykydtron said:
I'm currently playing God Of War III and wow I don't think a bigger dick than Kratos actually exists. He is a murdering machine.
Coolshark said:
One the homophobia was unnecessary.
And two if you think that you completely misunderstand Cloud as a character.
Hojo completely fucked with his head, and he basically had 3 different personalities in his head (basically he was suffering from a form of MPD) and throughout the game he is struggling to keep himself together; and by the end all that IS holding him together is his focus on Sephiroth.
And that isn't about revenge; at least not completely.
It's about stopping the evil man who burned down your hometown, killed your mother, and murdered your possible girlfriend from going on to destroying the entire planet with a giant ball of fire.
Holding himself together the way he does while under tremendous strain and stress, after having the life he had takes tremendous courage. It's no wonder that by the end his focus on Sephiroth is all that is keeping him together.
Cloud is a tragic hero, perhaps even an anti hero. He isn't an asshat. At least not intentionally.
I find it kind of sad that you have zero sympathy for mental illness. Nor any understanding of it.
If you want a Final Fantasy Hero to say was a wimpy dick then fling that accusation at Squall. God FF8 was the worst final fantasy ever.
Crisis Core, Zack or watever the guys name was, it took all of 30 seconds for me to hate the guy...
Any character who breaks into peoples houses to steal their food, life-savings, and break their stuff for their 'heroic mission' is generally a dick. I'm looking at you Link, you bastard.
Without choosing a RPG character or someone already mentioned
Olimar from pikmin 2
commanding legions of at least semi sentient creatures to their death.
at least you had a valid exuse in pikmin 1. that is you're gonna die if you don't.
but in pikmin 2 you do it all for the sake of money. not only are you sending them the their death for your own gain you are also plundering the planet of everything worth anything.
Olimar from pikmin 2
commanding legions of at least semi sentient creatures to their death.
at least you had a valid exuse in pikmin 1. that is you're gonna die if you don't.
but in pikmin 2 you do it all for the sake of money. not only are you sending them the their death for your own gain you are also plundering the planet of everything worth anything.
Nope! You read my essay? It's on this same thread it explains my reasons quite well.Yoshemo said:
Seriously I have to write an essay every time I state that I can't stand the P3 MC. There's just an army of people demanding an explaination
I agree Alex has few or no redeeming qualities, and is basically Kratos+shapeshifting+EATING PEOPLE, but innocent soldiers? In Prototype?Trucken said:
CJ of San Andreas struck me as more of a complete moron than a dick, but he has his moments. Like burying a guy alive in sewage because his subordinates whistled at his sister. Loved the game, wanted to slap the protagonist most times he opened his mouth.
I think the appropriate word there is "can", seeing as you can also be wasteland Jesus. Yeah the Divide thing happened, but we can't control the reasoning or motives behind what happened there since we don't even know exactly what happened!Soviet Heavy said:
I am reminded of Kamen Rider Decade. He's the star of a Japanese live-action superhero show I watched a year or two ago when I wanted to practice my listening comprehension.
Imagine Lucy Van Pelt as a Japanese man with expensively styled hair and a camera that only takes terrible pictures. Now imagine that he is the last and only hope to save the multiverse from the forces of evil, but makes sure to do it in as dickish a manner as possible. He's an asshole to his sidekicks, friends and love interests; he's a Mary Sue who's always the best at everything wherever he ends up; he turns out to have been secretly evil all along and kills everyone everywhere twice and then has the call to be a Christ figure at the end. I ended up watching the whole show just to see what new way he would find to be an asshole to everyone else each week.
Imagine Lucy Van Pelt as a Japanese man with expensively styled hair and a camera that only takes terrible pictures. Now imagine that he is the last and only hope to save the multiverse from the forces of evil, but makes sure to do it in as dickish a manner as possible. He's an asshole to his sidekicks, friends and love interests; he's a Mary Sue who's always the best at everything wherever he ends up; he turns out to have been secretly evil all along and kills everyone everywhere twice and then has the call to be a Christ figure at the end. I ended up watching the whole show just to see what new way he would find to be an asshole to everyone else each week.
Really any bioware game where you choose to be a jerk and see how far the devs will let you take things.
Kotor I stole a widow's last gift from her husband for personal profit. Mind controlled her to give me the item instead of helping her kids. Jade empire I bound the bodies of my closest companions to my will. Mass effect even im not heartless enough to let Tali die
Rico Rodriguez completely obliterated an entire nation's storages of water and oil, destroyed all of its military equipment and regularly erupts on massacres of soldiers and civilians alike.
But it's kay because he's just doing it to destabilize the government who is apparently worse than Soviet Russia to the power of Nazi Germany.
But it's kay because he's just doing it to destabilize the government who is apparently worse than Soviet Russia to the power of Nazi Germany.
Any of my opponents in Super Smash Bros.
And to think I actually believed you to be righteous Link...
And to think I actually believed you to be righteous Link...