Warhammer 40k vs starwars... is there any possible way for SW to win?

[Zeke the Freak]

This discussion is stupid beyond reason...

You're enjoying this, go on, admit it!

Actually no, I really HATE Warhammer 40k fanboys who claim their universe is "teh best" because it's "SO GRITTY AND DARK AND HENCE WAY MORE HARD COREZ!" and so stupidly over powered. T

Star Wars is a Space Western/Fairy Tale with, at it's best, a light hearted mood of adventure, Warhammer 40k is Deep Space Nightmare Fuel where you "Save VS. Horrific Death" if you so much as BREATHE wrong.

Very different, both good for their own reasons.

If you dont like it, dont post here. No ones forcing you to do anything. Right now your just showing the world how much of an ass you are. and im not claiming anything is better, its an intellegent discussion. Not a "ROFLLOLSTARWORZISBETERCOSDETHSTERLOL" slew of fanboyism. If you cant keep it calm and civil then just leave

 

[Zeke the Freak]

Hey, have any of you noticed that Yoda, the strongest jedi, got his ass handed to him in a force match with Count Dooku, the 3rd strongest sith? What the hell is up with that!

 

[Sergeant M. Fudgey]

Exterminatus, anyone? Honestly, the Space Marines are so xenophobic that if the Rebels or Empire didn't join them, well... The Imperium would be backing them up, and the lasguns the IG have are pretty much the same as the blasters SW characters have. Eldar would be able to demolish any and all SW ships, Craftworld vs Deathstar, the Craftworld will have stronger ships inside it, honestly, the Eldar have inter-dimensional STORAGE SPACE, the Empire would die. Then let's not even get into if Chaos, 'nids, or Orks wanted to fight a SW faction. Star Wars loses, hands down. Baneblades and Titans and hideous monstrosities that live only to feed off of the life forms of the galaxy, spreading throughout everything until all will be destroyed, oh my.

 

[Sergeant M. Fudgey]

Hey, have any of you noticed that Yoda, the strongest jedi, got his ass handed to him in a force match with Count Dooku, the 3rd strongest sith? What the hell is up with that!

Good point... And why the hell do only the Sith use lightning? If Jedi used it the Sith would have had died out so much faster.

 

[Zeke the Freak]

the lasguns the IG have are pretty much the same as the blasters SW characters have.

SW lasers shoot at sub sonic speed and peirce half way through unarmored people. IG lasguns shoot at light speed and have been known to tear off limbs of lightly/averaged armored infantry. Also, let me say again, the IG have been known to fight battles THROUGH FREAKIN WALLS! lol.
How would you like to just be walking down the hall, goin to take a whizz, when all of a sudden ,PEEOOWWW, your insides are on the wall.

 

[Sergeant M. Fudgey]

the lasguns the IG have are pretty much the same as the blasters SW characters have.

SW lasers shoot at sub sonic speed and peirce half way through unarmored people. IG lasguns shoot at light speed and have been known to tear off limbs of lightly/averaged armored infantry. Also, let me say again, the IG have been known to fight battles THROUGH FREAKIN WALLS! lol.
How would you like to just be walking down the hall, goin to take a whizz, when all of a sudden ,PEEOOWWW, your insides are on the wall.

Oh... well then. Although this entire time, I've been going for WH40K, but that's just another reason, the SW lasers can kill a Storm Trooper in one or two shots, and the IG outnumber them, with better equipment, and something the Storm Troopers forgot how to use, grenades. WH40K wins, why can't we all agree? An Exterminatus would blow half the Deathstar to bits, and that would let the air get vacuumed out. The end. A grumpy teenager shot it down without ever piloting the type of ship he was in, after almost all his allies were dead. The Imperium has people who are skilled at that sort of thing, and lots of them.

 

[Zeke the Freak]

the lasguns the IG have are pretty much the same as the blasters SW characters have.

SW lasers shoot at sub sonic speed and peirce half way through unarmored people. IG lasguns shoot at light speed and have been known to tear off limbs of lightly/averaged armored infantry. Also, let me say again, the IG have been known to fight battles THROUGH FREAKIN WALLS! lol.
How would you like to just be walking down the hall, goin to take a whizz, when all of a sudden ,PEEOOWWW, your insides are on the wall.

Oh... well then. Although this entire time, I've been going for WH40K, but that's just another reason, the SW lasers can kill a Storm Trooper in one or two shots, and the IG outnumber them, with better equipment, and something the Storm Troopers forgot how to use, grenades. WH40K wins, why can't we all agree? An Exterminatus would blow half the Deathstar to bits, and that would let the air get vacuumed out. The end. A grumpy teenager shot it down without ever piloting the type of ship he was in, after almost all his allies were dead. The Imperium has people who are skilled at that sort of thing, and lots of them.

lol Yeah, the military of 40k far outmatches the empire. Really what its down to is the boring techincal stuff like communication and transportation.Im actually pretty sure that the armor the storm troopers are using is MADE to kill them in one shot. Actually, in like, the 1st or 2nd movie (havent seen them in a while) during a fire fight, one storm trooper kinda just falls down. Not shot or anything, just sorta falls over. might as well just hold out their fingers and yell "BANG BANG BANG".

 

[kelsyk]

This question really sparked my interest and motivated me to actually start a list to compare things between the two. I'm not done yet but here is some of what I have so far. My list is based off of what things are supposed to be not what they are portrayed to be. So I count stormtroopers as actually well trained elite troops, for example.

I think that 40k would eventually win the war.

If both sides were given time to prepare and bring in troops I think Imperial Guard would win due to numbers, in both infantry and vehicles. I doubt they would get many chances to fully prepare and bring in troops though. Their lack of good communication would mean that gathering and organizing their forces would be hard. SW's soldiers would constantly harass and guerrilla warfare the IG and prevent them forming up and engaging in large decisive battles. The superior infantry and maneuverability of SW vehicles (anti-grav) would aid in this. Eventually though IG could bring enough numbers to defeat SW. Plus IG could win in any siege situation.

Loop holes to allow SW to win:

SW factions would likely ally (or at least try to ally) with both eldar and tau. Tau I could see accepting alliance. Eldar would be harder but might if SW help them revive race.

SW has droid armies. These could be used to outnumber and defeat IG armies. Droids could easily be made superior to IG troops. Add armor to make as tough and standard human. No need for food or water. Droids don't panic, flee or suffer lack of faith. Chaos doesn't seem to be able to corrupt the tech without first corrupting the user, rendering droids resistant or immune to chaos temptation.

Image if SW managed to capture a hive or forge world. The massive factories could crank out a lot of droids.

SW has a much prouder history of rebelling against conquerors.

List:

comparison (supposed to be):

Ground:

Infantry:

lasgun vs blaster:

ammo:

lasgun - 40 shots (in fire warrior)

blaster - 100 shots

0/1

power:

lasgun - burn materialt and cauterize wound

blaster - supposed to leave small craters in people
max leaves .5m crater in concrete (a clone rifle was capable of this)

0/2

range:

lasgun - unknown but fairly short

blaster - 300 m

0/3

end weapon

Armor:

flak vs stormtrooper armor:

flak - most sidearms can penetrate

stormtrooper - direct shot will penetrate but person may survive
glance less likely deflect or absorb

0/4

extra stuff:

flak - nothing

stormtrooper - environmental control, vision enhancement, breath mask, communications

0/5

end armor

end infantry

Other Stuff:

Training:

IG - don't think they were given much training in anything (exceptions exist)

stormtrooper - elite troops with training in all areas of personal warfare

0/6

Support:

Armor:

IG - lots of tanks and troop transports, titans

stormtrooper - some walkers, but most support is army not stormtroopers

1/6

Artillery:

IG - lots and lots

stormtrooper - not much even in stantard army

2/6

Numbers:

IG - billions of personel

Stormtrooper - unknown but guess 100k in galaxy
army has guess 40 million (800k infantry in sector army, guess 50 sectors)

3/6 (numbers should count for more)

Enhancement:

neithers has enhancement of troops

3/6

end other stuff

Overall ground:

IG - massive advantage in numbers, superior tanks and artillery

stormtrooper - better individual infantry, disadvantage in numbers and vehicles (especially considering titans)


PS. Don't know if allowed to say this but: 'Two Galaxies Saga' on fanfiction.net is agood SW/40k crossover. It makes some good points on strength comparison.

 

[Darkf0rge]

the armies in 40k, are able to summon avatar's of greater Demons and Avatar's of Gods. Gods, I tell you.

Case closed. (pretty silly comparison anyway, 40k is just so far over the top it's not funny)

 

[Zeke the Freak]

This question really sparked my interest and motivated me to actually start a list to compare things between the two. I'm not done yet but here is some of what I have so far. My list is based off of what things are supposed to be not what they are portrayed to be. So I count stormtroopers as actually well trained elite troops, for example.

I think that 40k would eventually win the war.

If both sides were given time to prepare and bring in troops I think Imperial Guard would win due to numbers, in both infantry and vehicles. I doubt they would get many chances to fully prepare and bring in troops though. Their lack of good communication would mean that gathering and organizing their forces would be hard. SW's soldiers would constantly harass and guerrilla warfare the IG and prevent them forming up and engaging in large decisive battles. The superior infantry and maneuverability of SW vehicles (anti-grav) would aid in this. Eventually though IG could bring enough numbers to defeat SW. Plus IG could win in any siege situation.

Loop holes to allow SW to win:

SW factions would likely ally (or at least try to ally) with both eldar and tau. Tau I could see accepting alliance. Eldar would be harder but might if SW help them revive race.

SW has droid armies. These could be used to outnumber and defeat IG armies. Droids could easily be made superior to IG troops. Add armor to make as tough and standard human. No need for food or water. Droids don't panic, flee or suffer lack of faith. Chaos doesn't seem to be able to corrupt the tech without first corrupting the user, rendering droids resistant or immune to chaos temptation.

Image if SW managed to capture a hive or forge world. The massive factories could crank out a lot of droids.

SW has a much prouder history of rebelling against conquerors.

List:

comparison (supposed to be):

Ground:

Infantry:

lasgun vs blaster:

ammo:

lasgun - 40 shots (in fire warrior)

blaster - 100 shots

0/1

power:

lasgun - burn materialt and cauterize wound

blaster - supposed to leave small craters in people
max leaves .5m crater in concrete (a clone rifle was capable of this)

0/2

range:

lasgun - unknown but fairly short

blaster - 300 m

0/3

end weapon

Armor:

flak vs stormtrooper armor:

flak - most sidearms can penetrate

stormtrooper - direct shot will penetrate but person may survive
glance less likely deflect or absorb

0/4

extra stuff:

flak - nothing

stormtrooper - environmental control, vision enhancement, breath mask, communications

0/5

end armor

end infantry

Other Stuff:

Training:

IG - don't think they were given much training in anything (exceptions exist)

stormtrooper - elite troops with training in all areas of personal warfare

0/6

Support:

Armor:

IG - lots of tanks and troop transports, titans

stormtrooper - some walkers, but most support is army not stormtroopers

1/6

Artillery:

IG - lots and lots

stormtrooper - not much even in stantard army

2/6

Numbers:

IG - billions of personel

Stormtrooper - unknown but guess 100k in galaxy
army has guess 40 million (800k infantry in sector army, guess 50 sectors)

3/6 (numbers should count for more)

Enhancement:

neithers has enhancement of troops

3/6

end other stuff

Overall ground:

IG - massive advantage in numbers, superior tanks and artillery

stormtrooper - better individual infantry, disadvantage in numbers and vehicles (especially considering titans)


PS. Don't know if allowed to say this but: 'Two Galaxies Saga' on fanfiction.net is agood SW/40k crossover. It makes some good points on strength comparison.

A) the lasgun is much stronger then the blaster. A lasgun can tear off limbs and peirce moderate armor.
B) The gaurdsmen are all 6-7 feet tall and stronger then the modern human because they evolved to be better suited for war, while all the storm troopers are clones of an kinda good bounty hunter of average height, intelligence, and strength. so +1 to gaurds.

other then that, spot on.

 

[Angelic-Dragon]

Starwars, A long time ago in a galaxy far away, AKA the past
Warhammer 40K... well the name says it all really
There to far apart in time and dimensions for this scenario to actually work

 

[Zeke the Freak]

Starwars, A long time ago in a galaxy far away, AKA the past
Warhammer 40K... well the name says it all really
There to far apart in time and dimensions for this scenario to actually work

Its a hypothetical situation. lol

 

[SquirrelPants]

Necrons vs. The Empire
'Twould be epic.
And Necron Lord vs. Darth Vader...

 

[kelsyk]

my stuff

A) the lasgun is much stronger then the blaster. A lasgun can tear off limbs and peirce moderate armor.
B) The gaurdsmen are all 6-7 feet tall and stronger then the modern human because they evolved to be better suited for war, while all the storm troopers are clones of an kinda good bounty hunter of average height, intelligence, and strength. so +1 to gaurds.

other then that, spot on.

Thanks for the comments.

a) I got the information from the 40k wiki, so it may be wrong. It says "pinpoint laser plasma beam which is hot enough to burn most materials and cauterize human flesh." Now unless it tears off limbs by explosive evaporation, then I don't think it is that powerful.
b) I thought that guardsmen were recruited from the average human population. I don't think that the entire human race could be "evolved to be better suited for war," as you put it. Most stormtroopers, especially the post jedi-purge, were not clones. That is why they were called stormtroopers and not clone troopers.

 

[Geamo]

Hm. Let's pit the entire Grey Knight chapter against the Jedi equivalent. Hello Nemisis Force Weapons.

 

[ThreeWords]

I hate to point it out, but as well as the obvious advantage stemming from pure awesomeness, 40K does happen to have to occasional god hanging around, not to mention hordes of demons and other less pleasant things...

the armies in 40k, are able to summon avatar's of greater Demons and Avatar's of Gods. Gods, I tell you

Damn. Ninja'd =P

It might have been Roboute Guilliman who said: "I require only a Space Marine Chapter. Failing that, give me ten million other troops."

Seeing how good they are, even compared to the other 40K forces, I reckon that a single chapter, including all spaceships, support, vehicles, artillery, psykers etc, could probably give the Empire some serious worries.

After all, if a small group of malcontents can defeat the 'might' of the Emperor, it can't be that hard, can it?

 

[Zeke the Freak]

my stuff

A) the lasgun is much stronger then the blaster. A lasgun can tear off limbs and peirce moderate armor.
B) The gaurdsmen are all 6-7 feet tall and stronger then the modern human because they evolved to be better suited for war, while all the storm troopers are clones of an kinda good bounty hunter of average height, intelligence, and strength. so +1 to gaurds.

other then that, spot on.

Thanks for the comments.

a) I got the information from the 40k wiki, so it may be wrong. It says "pinpoint laser plasma beam which is hot enough to burn most materials and cauterize human flesh." Now unless it tears off limbs by explosive evaporation, then I don't think it is that powerful.
b) I thought that guardsmen were recruited from the average human population. I don't think that the entire human race could be "evolved to be better suited for war," as you put it. Most stormtroopers, especially the post jedi-purge, were not clones. That is why they were called stormtroopers and not clone troopers.

A) I got my info at the lexicanum. It notes on several occasions that orks limbs were shredded and even removed after being shot by an imperial lasgun.
B) Its 38,000 years in the future where literally every planet has been/is in a horrible conflict for decades, centuries or even millenias. Yes, the average human populace has Adapted (i misused the word evolved) As to be more durable so they could withstand more then normally.
As for the storm troopers, They came from the republic which came from the clones remember. I'm fairly certain that they're still using clones, tho I may be mistaken.

Either way, your point remains.

 

[Christemo]

Necrons vs. The Empire
'Twould be epic.
And Necron Lord vs. Darth Vader...

no it wouldnt. necron capital ship would blow up the death star on 2 seconds. and 1 Necron lord would just go over and rip vaders heart out, then feeding it to some maggots. and never forget, theres TONS of necron lords. and 1 of them is equal to about the Whole Jedi council (yoda, windu, ki adi etc) and jedis cant rise again, can they? necrons can. and no one has ever found their weakness. why? because necron materia dissapears after the Necron stop working, and it teleports back to the necron planets.

to do a long story short, the Empire would be lower than ja ja binks within 5 minutes.

 

[Christemo]

Hm. Let's pit the entire Grey Knight chapter against the Jedi equivalent. Hello Nemisis Force Weapons.

thats like setting 1000 Duke Nukems out to defeat newbies.

 

[Christemo]

Heh. Let's see how the Battle of Hoth would have played out had it been a Tau garrison world instead of Rebels:

For argument's sake, let's say that the Empire even managed to even land their ground forces on the planet with no resistance from the Air Caste.

Bork'an Fire Warriors fare much better in colder temperatures than comperable human soldiers. Even Fire Warriors from T'au had no problems fighting in Tyrea and North Vandea on Kronus, so the temperatures wouldn't be a factor.

It wouldn't even be a face-to-face battle like the Rebels put up. While the AT-AT's would be en route to the shield generator, Hammerheads and Broadsides would arrive on the hills surrounding the plain and open fire with their railguns at the defenseless sides of the AT-AT's. Its armor plating, while enough to repel snowspeeder blasters, would be no match for supersonic projectiles that strike with the approximate force of a cruise missile.

With the AT-AT's destroyed and with no immediate danger to the shield generator, then the battle would be more mobile. While Snowtroopers trudge through the drifts on foot, Devilfish would drop off their Fire Warrior teams for long range harrasment and then redeploy them when the Snowtroopes get too close. Stealth teams would be hidden in the drifts and launch surprise attacks on advancing AT-ST's while Crisis teams mop up any stragglers.

This hit-and-run strategy would destroy the coherence of the Imperial Army and leave them listing in the snow. The Fire Warrior teams would then redeploy and capture the remaining Imperial Soldiers and deliver them back to the Tau HQ for medical attention and interrogation.

Even though the Tau garrison would be the same size as the Rebels, they would pull off a fantastic victory over the Empire. For the Greater Good!

ur even underestimating the hammerhead . the hammerheads gun got the firepower of a nuke, just without explosion. the snowtroopers would be marked by pathfinders, thus making them ragdoll targets for the fire warriors.

also, even if the empire had 500 at-ats, they would have too bad aim to hit anything. also, think about what would happen if the Tau deployed a Greater Knarloc.