Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim

[corysc]

disagree with all your points except the last one, as I don't own a ps3. Ok, any other pointless opinions anyone wants to state? I think steak is better than roast beef.

How dare you sir, Roast beef is a delicious meal that can be made in a matter of seconds as opposed to the cooking process taking atleast 10 minutes to Load. Roast Beef's UI may not be as Fancy as steaks, but I happen to like it. Your opinion on food makes your disagreements on the game a sham sir! good day!

 

[Eventidal]

Number of dragons in Oblivion: 0
Number of dragons in Skyrim: infinity

I don't care and I have never cared about the inclusion of dragons. They're pretty weak anyway but let's be clear that dragons could be replaced with any other creature not present in previous TES games and I would have cared the same, none. To be even clearer, a rat is a wolf is a lion to me and a dragon is a giant is a mammoth to me. High level enemies and low level enemies are the only two types I see.

That everyone was so hyped that there were dragons in this game, I just never understood.

It shoots fire out its face as it flies in the air growling and taking out villagers?

Sorry, but it sounds like you're busy masturbating over stats rather than looking at the in-game action experience.

The fights are incredibly well done for something that isn't completely scripted, hell, even for something that is scripted. Point is: It really feels like you're fighting a dragon. That's something most people dreamed about as kids, for hundreds of years worth of generations. Name a game that does dragon fights better and I'll play it. 'High level' doesn't come close to capturing it for me.

Monster Hunter.

Sorry, but few games if any can compete with Monster Hunter in feeling like you're fighting a real monster. The animations are great, the monsters really come to life and act and react to all sorts of things well, the tactics and variety in combat is great (you may need to overlook the lack of realism in the gigantic weapons), the damage you take is realistic (until you get overpowered later on for the early weak monsters, and it's both hard as hell and skill-based, requiring you to be very observant and react fast to a monster's tells, not only for how it attacks but how it moves as well. When a monster is hurt, you see it in a number of subtle ways, from looks to movements and even certain attacks will change. When you deal a lot of damage they get pissed off and go all ragemode on you for a few minutes. When they're hungry they run/fly away to another area and seek out prey to replenish their stamina.

Skyrim's fights are visually appealing and mechanically fleshed-out in terms of Elder Scrolls, but I don't know a game that does dragons better than Monster Hunter. Or bosses in general, usually. Big marks in MH are some of the most satisfying fights on any system.

 

[Epona]

from what i've read it seems OP hasn't played the game to any real length or at all perhaps...he uses the phrase "i've heard" or "i've read" many many times....i believe he has just trolled you all.

all of his problems with the game are nitpicks and/or misinformed. such as char. creation being all presets...no...there are presets yes, but you can change your character down to the size of his or her forehead depth etc.

the inventory is alphabetical if you can't understand that i can see you having problems with the interface. you do know the alphabet...don't you? A B C D E F G H I J K...yeah you get it

He whines about the game being dumbed down, and every single time i hear this all i hear is "wah, my fave game franchise has gone mainstream and has been made more intuitive and easy to understand rather then a bunch of flow charts and stats with a game experience you could get from a business meeting at Boring & Boringtons LTD"

his dismissal of monsters as being only high level and low level shows that either he is a complete imbecile who is just trolling everyone , or he's the kind of gamer that needs to be locked in cave....a cave full of low level baby pigs, and high level piranha!"

I have played 10-12 hours before the PS3 version gets really laggy. I have decided to wait for the patch and hope that fixes the lag.

I've heard and I've read haven't been said MANY MANY TIMES. I think you are exaggerating but feel free to go count the number of times (excluding this post) that I have said them. Further, I say I've heard or read to let you know that I have not experienced something that others have. However, if those things are not in dispute (like the low number of spells in the game), then why are you whining?

So I am a troll with 1300 posts and you are not with 2 posts? I think if I were a troll I wouldn't be here after that many posts.

 

[Epona]

Eh, I don't actually agree with any of those points at all. The one about performance issues on the PS3 might be true enough, but I have it on the 360 and have had no issues, so I wouldn't know.

Now... ways in which Oblivion is better than Skyrim...

Hm...

Oh! I thought the ending of the Dark Brotherhood storyline was a little weaker than in Oblivion. That's all I can come up with as of right now, but I'm sure I'll find more issues. I am only about 50 hours in, after all.

OP sounds like a troll the way he continues to write off dragons as the fighting the same thing as rats or wolves.

Define Troll?

Hint: Having a different opinion than you does not make me a troll.

Troll as in people have been consistently giving you evidence of Skyrims superiority and you hand wave it with the weakest arguments possible. You're either riling up the fanboys or feel the need to find a reason, any reason, to hate Skyrim.

Of course you hit a dragon with your sword just as you'd hit a bear or a wolf with a sword. In Halo you hold the right trigger down until that grunt stops moving, you hold the trigger down longer if you want a brute to stop moving.

You can boil ANY game down to the basics like that. It's not WHAT you do, it's HOW you do it. I refuse to believe you aren't smart enough to realize this, therefore you be trollin'. That said, trolling is funny.

I never said Oblivion is superior to Skyrim. Guess that's why I wave away any arguments that show evidence that Skyrim is superior.

ALL I FUCKIN SAID WAS THAT THERE WERE THINGS THAT OBLIVION DOES BETTER THAN SKYRIM. Now read this next part real fuckin slow, ok? I NEVER SAID THE ENTIRE GAME WAS INFERIOR TO OBLIVION.

I hope that clears things up for you.

Once again: Skyrim is PERFECT!

 

[geK0]

psh!
Skyrim? Oblivion? Morrowind?

what are you clowns talking about? Arena and Daggerfall were obviously the best elder scroll games of all time!

 

[Radelaide]

Oooh, oooh, I know the answer to this one!

None! Oblivion is the reason that I didn't purchase Skyrim to begin with. I played Oblivion and it's one of the worst things that I've done to myself. It was boring, long, ugly and dull.

Skyrim is amazingly pretty, very funny (glitch wise. It rained Mammoth one day!) and well rounded.

Also, fucking DRAGONS.

 

[Epona]

Oooh, oooh, I know the answer to this one!

None! Oblivion is the reason that I didn't purchase Skyrim to begin with. I played Oblivion and it's one of the worst things that I've done to myself. It was boring, long, ugly and dull.

Skyrim is amazingly pretty, very funny (glitch wise. It rained Mammoth one day!) and well rounded.

Also, fucking DRAGONS.

Yes, dragons. Never seen those in a game before. That's quite a selling point.

 

[Zebidizy]

I can be an axe wielding Viking that can turn his hand into a flame-thrower and kill dragons while butt naked what more can you want

 

[Grey_Focks]

I have found Skyrim to be a step down from Oblivion in a few ways:

- No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.

- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too)

- The UI is ugly compared to the one in Oblivion. It looks like it just has a white/gray frame.

- The UI was designed for looks (that's a failed attempt) rather than functionality. You can't sort your inventory, you can't view your character when equipping stuff.

- Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.

Well, there are a few and I know there are more because I have read about them on the Bethesda forums. What say you?

-alright, the wanting to move faster/jump higher thing was cool, but along with it potentially just breaking the game, they were pretty useless, as actual skills, that is, since they were never chosen. That, and the new leveling system would just make them game-ruining, and since I like the new leveling system much better, I'm okay with them being gone. All I remember from Oblivion is people picking the skills they used the least as their majors, and then just slowly min-maxing their attributes as they level up. That's just tedious and, and from a role-playing standpoint it makes no sense. I could go on about how I prefer the overall new stat/skill/leveling system, but that's an essay in of itself.

-this one maybe? I'm honestly not big on the character creation, I just get em set to the point of looking decent and go. Though to counter, un-modded, the characters in oblivion all looked horrible. Orcs in particular just looked like they suffered some sort of horrible mental disorder. Skyrim, they can actually look decent, to even pretty good.

-Eh, will cover both UI ones here. Agreed, about it being kinda clunkier, but I do think it looks nicer. Certainly gives a far more detailed look at your items, though it doesn't actually show them on your character. Yea, the menus are pretty bad, but they honestly haven't affected my game. I'd also say that the HUD is better in some ways, like the health/magicka/stamina bars dissapearing when not in use is nice, though it no longer having icons shown that let you know what weapon/spell you have equipped can be a bit irritating. Overall, yea, UI and menus were better in Oblivion.

-Eh, no real way to argue this one. In terms of actual bugs so far in Skyrim, I'm actually surprised that I've really encountered almost none, and I'm pretty close to beating the game, though I have had a couple crashes, about the same as Oblivion, both on 360.

That covers that, and now, I really have to say, Skyrim's atmosphere and overall feel are just better, in my opinion, than Oblivion, really in almost every way. You say Dragons are just high level encounters that could be palette swapped with anything else, I say you're just looking at it in a really wrong way. Would it feel the same defending a village from a cliffracer? Honestly, if you're not feeling awesome for slaying dragons, I see how that can feel like a letdown, but for everyone else it really just feels awesome. Also, you actually feel like you're having some sort of impact on the world. Siding with either the Imperials or the Stormcloaks, leading armies and attacking enemy forts and cities, it just feels great. Again, from you're point of view I guess it would just be a fight against a lot of mid/low level enemies where you have some allies, but if you can get over that it's a cool feeling.

Overall, I'd say I'm enjoying Skyrim more than Oblivion, but Oblivion and Morrowind were both really fantastic games. In terms of just atmosphere alone, I'd say it's actually tied for Morrowind, for me at least, and in these sorts of games, that's a pretty big deal.

 

[cthulhumythos]

Truly? i honestly disliked oblivion a great deal for many reasons, and felt that skyrim fixed more than a few problems.

to each their own, i suppose.

 

[Radelaide]

Oooh, oooh, I know the answer to this one!

None! Oblivion is the reason that I didn't purchase Skyrim to begin with. I played Oblivion and it's one of the worst things that I've done to myself. It was boring, long, ugly and dull.

Skyrim is amazingly pretty, very funny (glitch wise. It rained Mammoth one day!) and well rounded.

Also, fucking DRAGONS.

Yes, dragons. Never seen those in a game before. That's quite a selling point.

In the case that Skyrim is better? Yeah it is.

Take your sarcasm somewhere else please

 

[Epona]

So I am a troll with 1300 posts and you are not with 2 posts?

the number of posts has no value in arguments, debates, or make you anymore intelligent or knowledgeable then a guy with 5 posts. For all we know, just like most of your posts in this thread, you could have been just spewing out 1300 trolling/crap posts while people that don't post as often make maybe only 100 posts, but they are all quality posts.

quality>quantity

I think you missed the point. If I were really a troll I wouldn't have lasted this long. While this poster with 2 posts is either brand new and wouldn't know anything about my posting history or was just banned (probably for being a troll) and came back with a new ID.

The way I see it, I posted an unpopular opinion and then went on to defend my OPINION and that made me a troll in the view of many posters here. Crazy how that works, also devalues the word TROLL.

 

[Epona]

Oooh, oooh, I know the answer to this one!

None! Oblivion is the reason that I didn't purchase Skyrim to begin with. I played Oblivion and it's one of the worst things that I've done to myself. It was boring, long, ugly and dull.

Skyrim is amazingly pretty, very funny (glitch wise. It rained Mammoth one day!) and well rounded.

Also, fucking DRAGONS.

Yes, dragons. Never seen those in a game before. That's quite a selling point.

In the case that Skyrim is better? Yeah it is.

Take your sarcasm somewhere else please

Ya know, I saw a poster on this thread, a few pages back, say that not liking Skyrim because you don't like dragons is an invalid reason (I'm paraphrasing). Well, isn't that true in reverse too? Liking Skyrim because it has "fucking DRAGONS" is just as invalid?

Anyway, the sarcasm stays unless you are a mod making the request.

 

[Smeggs]

I found the character creator to be better than Oblivion. >_> Also with the bonus of the characters having less of a chance of looking like ass.

Although I agree I quite liked Oblivion's skill system. No unarmed fistfighter option, Skyrim? For shame, you could have added some cool shit like counter for that.

 

[tthor]

So it has begun...

 

[Muffin Man]

Magic is far more diverse in Oblivion (way more spell effects), but it also isn't as satisfying.

 

[Liviola]

Maybe I'm missing something but: No horse tracker on the map/directional thing! I'm pretty sure it was present in Oblivion. Now I hate having no idea where my horse is when it wanders off.

I do miss being able to level my "S.P.E.C.I.A.L" stats like in Oblivion. Also I'm playing Skyrim on PC and the controls are so goddamn console-y >_<

 

[Smeggs]

Ya know, I saw a poster on this thread, a few pages back, say that not liking Skyrim because you don't like dragons is an invalid reason (I'm paraphrasing). Well, isn't that true in reverse too? Liking Skyrim because it has "fucking DRAGONS" is just as invalid?

Anyway, the sarcasm stays unless you are a mod making the request.

Not really. Not liking a game because you dislike one creature in it is totally ridiculous; basing an entire distatse of a game on a single NPC? It's like saying you hate a country because you met one person from that country who was a dick (because people on the internet totally don't make illogical generalisations like that all the time).

Liking a game because it has something cool like fighting dragons is not the same. I seriously doubt people just bought the game because they wanted to glimpse a dragon and then went, "There's one, okay I'm done." No, they probably bought it because of the free-roaming map, the long replay value, and yes, to fight some "fucking DRAGONS," considering that was one of the selling points of the game to be able to fight dragons anywhere at anytime.

 

[SmegInThePants]

oblivion is older so has a zillion mods out for it, some of them epic - oscuro's oblivion overhaul/fcom convergence. dark's UI. etc.. But, skyrim will reach this state eventually. For vanilla release versus vanilla release, i still like skyrim better.