Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim

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Vandenberg1

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Crono1973 said:
I have found Skyrim to be a step down from Oblivion in a few ways:

- No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.

- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too)

- The UI is ugly compared to the one in Oblivion. It looks like it just has a white/gray frame.

- The UI was designed for looks (that's a failed attempt) rather than functionality. You can't sort your inventory, you can't view your character when equipping stuff.

- Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.

Well, there are a few and I know there are more because I have read about them on the Bethesda forums. What say you?
Actually it seems Skyrims performence is based on how much space your ps3 has lol. Mine is ok but my friends gets laggy after 20 hrs into game. Erased a few old games and BAM fixed. Bethseda is making patch tho
 

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Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim: None

Ways that Morrowind is superior to Oblivion: A great many

This is how we can view it:
Skyrim > Oblivion < Morrowind
 

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I'd totally be on board if this was a "Ways Morrowind is better than Skyrim topic" but I thought Oblivion was total shit.

Still deciding if I like Skyrim is better than Morrowind, but for now, it's Morrowind > Skyrim >>>>>>> Oblivion.
 

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- No athletics or acrobatics. Really? You want to be able to unrealistically jump over people? And run faster than the horses?
Yes because casting fire from the palm of your hand is realistic. Realistic arguments hold no value when talking about a fantasy game.

- The character creation is much better than Oblivion, a lot more natural in the way you can manipulate the character. Plenty of choices for the look of your character
The realism argument again!

- The UI in Skyrim is amazing. It is so intuitive and sleek. It's really smooth. Also there are only 4 pieces of information that the player needs to know Magicka, Health and Stamina, And when you aren't in combat or using one of these stats, they hide. Very good UI design.
It's smooth, when you open the menu 90% of the time you have to give it a second before you can actually use it (PS3). It may not do that on 360 and PC, I don't know but from my perspective, it isn't smooth.

Also, if all you need to know about is MP, HP and Stamina then the game is really dumbed down. In reality though, when you are carrying too much and need to drop stuff, you need to be able to sort by weight and compare value and weight of several items at once, for example.

- The UI aesthetically looks very pleasing. As for the sorting, it sorts automatically by alphabetical order, I can understand if people want to manually sort their items. The lack of being able to view your character while you equip your items is not really a loss cos all you need to do is just go out of the menus and look at your character in 3rd person. Easy enough. Also I seriously doubt you are going to judge what armour you wear on just how it looks.
It looks like it belongs on the SNES. It's a frame and little more. It's like when Bioware went from attractive menus in Dragon Age to boring ones in Dragon Age II. Sorting alphabetically is pointless, you need to be able to sort by offense, defense, value and weight (like Oblivion). Tell me, is it more helpful to have a 3D look at your sword or a 3D look at your character? I think it is the latter.
 

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Vandenberg1 said:
Crono1973 said:
I have found Skyrim to be a step down from Oblivion in a few ways:

- No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.

- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too)

- The UI is ugly compared to the one in Oblivion. It looks like it just has a white/gray frame.

- The UI was designed for looks (that's a failed attempt) rather than functionality. You can't sort your inventory, you can't view your character when equipping stuff.

- Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.

Well, there are a few and I know there are more because I have read about them on the Bethesda forums. What say you?
Actually it seems Skyrims performence is based on how much space your ps3 has lol. Mine is ok but my friends gets laggy after 20 hrs into game. Erased a few old games and BAM fixed. Bethseda is making patch tho
Mine got laggy after about 10 hours. I have 249 GB free.
 

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Radeonx said:
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Crono1973 said:
This may come as a shock to you but all I am arguing is that some things were done better in Oblivion. The clue is in the opening post and in the title.
It's not a very good clue.

"Way Oblivion is superior to Skyrim."

That tells me at first glance that you are saying that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim plain and simple. It doesn't tell me that Oblivion had a few things that were better than Skyrim.

Next time try titling the thread something like, "A few things Oblivion does better than Skyrim."
"Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim" obviously says the message that he didn't say Oblivion was better plain and simple. If he was doing that, he would've just said "Oblivion is superior to Skyrim". The ways makes it blatantly obvious that he was talking about just a few things.
No, it actually said to me, "Oblivion is superior then Skyrim and this is why."
The title is misleading. The keywords are "is" and "superior" here.

A couple of other better titles would be:
"Things I miss from Oblivion."
"Things, I think, were done better in Oblivion."
Well, I don't know what to tell you, because 95% of the other people in this thread were able to understand what he was saying just fine.
Not from what I was reading. There were quite a few defensive replies that accused the OP of claiming that Oblivion is better than Skyrim in every way. I suspect these people only read the title and not the post.
 

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lock picking, in my opinion, got a serious downgrade from oblivion, other than that, i can't say a single negative thing about it. job well done bethesda
 

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similar.squirrel said:
The omission of athletics and acrobatics was a strange idea. I was rather looking forward to leaping at people in the manner of a dual-wielding tarsier. Also, the dodge-roll ability would have saved me a great many deaths, seeing as I don't wear armour, shield or block.
Yes, when trying to get over mountains I realized what a loss it was that they took out acrobatics. I thought to myself "well, later in the game maybe I can jump higher and get over these" and then I remembered the skill is gone.
 

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thespyisdead said:
lock picking, in my opinion, got a serious downgrade from oblivion, other than that, i can't say a single negative thing about it. job well done bethesda
Actually, I think that is one of the improvements Skyrim has over Oblivion. I never learned how to pick locks in Oblivion, I used the auto button and bought every lockpick I could.
 

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Oblivion had:
Dadrea (cause there mint)
Fighters Guild
Dark Brotherhood quest were good
better diolauge options

I like Skyrim, just Oblivion was more intersesting, besides I hate dragons....
 

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Crono1973 said:
I have found Skyrim to be a step down from Oblivion in a few ways:

- No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.

- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too)

- The UI is ugly compared to the one in Oblivion. It looks like it just has a white/gray frame.

- The UI was designed for looks (that's a failed attempt) rather than functionality. You can't sort your inventory, you can't view your character when equipping stuff.

- Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.

Well, there are a few and I know there are more because I have read about them on the Bethesda forums. What say you?
Ok to be fair, no the character creator isn't awful. It's not super detailed but it isn't bad. It's better than many other games. Also yes you can see your character when equipping stuff. Third person turn camera around and you can see yourself in the background of the menu. UI is MUCH improved, although only on consoles. The only thing that I liked oblivion for more was that it was funnier, zanier, and took itself less seriously. Oh and less technical bugs, but with bethesda i'm not surprised at all haha. To each his own though.
 

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For consoles I think that the Skyrim UI is infinitely better than the UI on any previous Bethesda game. Their are a few negatives; items aren't sorted into categories when in a container and the world map is a little awkward to scroll around on, but the positives outweigh those massively.

Other than that my only gripe is that some skills are far too difficult to level up and some are far too easy; I've been using the hell out of Restoration magic and it's still lagging behind at 25, while all my other magic is approaching 50. On the other hand Conjuration is ridiculously easy to level up, you could easily get it from 20-30 in under a minute.

Everything else I've encountered so far has been tons better than anything I've seen in Oblivion.
 

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Why do people always do this? As soon as a sequel comes out, people hate on it and say the prequel was better. They did the same thing with "Fable 2" and "Fable 3"; everyone complained about how terrible "Fable 2"'s features were, and how the story sucked, but Lionhead listened to what people's problems were and fixed them in the sequel, only to have the EXACT same people, who were complaining earlier, ***** about how terrible "Fable 3" is, and how GREAT "Fable 2" is. What the hell, people!?

The facts are, "Skyrim" is bigger, more interesting, and I enjoy it way more than "Oblivion" - which I didn't even finish the last forty percent of the game, because I was bored, and did not enjoy it.
Why do people have to hate on sequels?

I'm sorry for flying off the handle, but this kind of thing REALLY bugs me... Developers try to make a great game, and people piss all over it, then they try and fix the things most people had a problem with, and suddenly that's not good enough!? Maybe YOU should start making games then, "master".
God, I'm sore about this...
 

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Literally the only thing i can think of right now is that the "hands" system actually takes away from the game. In oblivion, you could have three things at once (a shield, a weapon AND a spell), whereas in skyrim with its much more developed "hands" system, you can only ever do two things at once. If you need to cast heal mid-battle, you best hope you don't REALLY need to heal. Because as it is, you need to go into the favourites, select heal, cast heal, select sword, swing sword. Doesn't sound like much, but that takes a good 2 seconds between each selection (not to mention you can't just go swing happy, because you have to wait another half second to get into the ready stance) and it adds up. When you have some mean-arse hulk of an ice-troll casually taking bits of your brain out with each swing, those extra waisted seconds count... towards your death.

Thats pretty much it though, and although i did go on a bit, it's pretty damn near perfect. Unlike morrowind and oblivion, ive enjoyed playing it for hours on end.

In short, skyrim trumps oblivion on damn near everything in my opinion.
 

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poiumty said:
One thing got my attention.
Crono1973 said:
Oh boy a different enemy avatar! Could be a cliff racer for all I care.
Dragons are way more than just a different enemy avatar. Apart from the inclusion and role in the lore of the game, they are a way to unlock extra powers, a dynamic generated event offering more diversity to outdoor treks, a way to get crafting resources and a special type of adversary with complex AI that is capable of doing much more than your random mob: flying, landing on enviroment meshes, grabbing actors, shooting while moving and even crash-landing.

They are most certainly NOT just an enemy with a different model. I don't know if you're ignorant or just being grumpy, but either way, you're wrong.

Also most of your other complaints are personal preference. I'd chalk it up to the "you changed it so now it sucks" mentality.
You don't need dragons to do any of those things and why is it that you think that dragons are the be all, end all of enemies? Maybe I have been playing video games too long but I just can't be impressed because they made dragons for this game. What do dragons do in this game that we haven't seen before in other games? Those shouts are just relabeled magic powers, for example, that first set of shouts lets you do a force push. It's fun, it was fun in Lego Star Wars too but it's nothing new.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't expect originality in Skyrim so it doesn't bother me that dragons don't do anything we haven't seen before in other games but I can't understand why everyone acts like they are the second coming of Christ.
 

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Spanishax said:
Why do people always do this? As soon as a sequel comes out, people hate on it and say the prequel was better. They did the same thing with "Fable 2" and "Fable 3"; everyone complained about how terrible "Fable 2"'s features were, and how the story sucked, but Lionhead listened to what people's problems were and fixed them in the sequel, only to have the EXACT same people, who were complaining earlier, ***** about how terrible "Fable 3" is, and how GREAT "Fable 2" is. What the hell, people!?

The facts are, "Skyrim" is bigger, more interesting, and I enjoy it way more than "Oblivion" - which I didn't even finish the last forty percent of the game, because I was bored, and did not enjoy it.
Why do people have to hate on sequels?

I'm sorry for flying off the handle, but this kind of thing REALLY bugs me... Developers try to make a great game, and people piss all over it, then they try and fix the things most people had a problem with, and suddenly that's not good enough!? Maybe YOU should start making games then, "master".
God, I'm sore about this...
There have been so many topics praising Skyrim since it came out on this forum, why is it that the opposite view can't be spoken? BTW, I don't hate Skyrim but I think there were some things Oblivion did better. Does it hurt your pride that I am not pissing myself over Skyrim?
 

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Crono1973 said:
- No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.

- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too)

- The UI is ugly compared to the one in Oblivion. It looks like it just has a white/gray frame.

- The UI was designed for looks (that's a failed attempt) rather than functionality. You can't sort your inventory, you can't view your character when equipping stuff.

- Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.
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Right well let's take it point by point.

1) Athletics and acrobatics really broke the game even back in Morrowind, without them designers were able to create more interesting looking dungeons without the need of putting large walls in most sections just because "Hey a play can jump-get there".

2) Do elaborate since I have no idea what you are talking about.

3) Apples and Bannanas, as you say in a later point. It's designed for looks and some people like it and some people do not. I'm quite happy with how it looks.

4) Fair point there, it is quite annoying but I do not see a reason to get up in arms about it since it will be modded out soon enough

5) Sorry, but you buy it on an inferior gaming platform you are going to get an inferior experience. I'm not trying to take a swing at a console gamers, hell I even have three of the modern bastards sitting right under my TV.
But I will never use them for anything else then a console exclusive. Sorry but they do not perform well at all, they are bloody OLD and you have to accept that the games on them will not run good at all. The graphics on the computer on the other hand are quite good. Even better with the recent mod
http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=131


But in the end it comes down to personal preference. And everyone is entitled to his own.