"We surrender" Said the French
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The real question is pre or post Napoleon. But I agree, it pretty much comes down to WWII. It might also have something to do with some Xenophobic Americans wanting to point fingers over at Europe. Britain is an ally, Germans already got theirs in the World Wars, so France was the next most obvious target.
By the way, I'm American, and I'm not anti-American. Every place has its Xenophobes. Also, my above theory is wild conjecture, nothing more.
By the way, I'm American, and I'm not anti-American. Every place has its Xenophobes. Also, my above theory is wild conjecture, nothing more.
We British like picking on the French because we are their enemies for oooh... several centuries before we became allies. We have a good reason.
Also the fact that in the past 2 world wars, had they not had the support of foreign powers they would have completely fallen to Germany... (yes, even WW1. The Germans may not have got to Paris, but without British, American and other troops in the trenches along with the French, they would not have held). That's the past 2 major wars where France has failed to successfully defend her boarders from invaders. Being an island nation it is very easy for us British to crow because we are notoriously hard to conquer.
Also the fact that in the past 2 world wars, had they not had the support of foreign powers they would have completely fallen to Germany... (yes, even WW1. The Germans may not have got to Paris, but without British, American and other troops in the trenches along with the French, they would not have held). That's the past 2 major wars where France has failed to successfully defend her boarders from invaders. Being an island nation it is very easy for us British to crow because we are notoriously hard to conquer.
Buuut they did also help America, in beating the french. Both on "American" soil, and by wageing war directly on britain at home... And yes, it was maybe just to help them selves, but when the states landed troops in Normandy, that wasent a pure selfless act either...Aardvark said:
Im pretty sure the commander was the King. WHO WOULD BE FRENCH. Joan of Ark was a general. She didn't have complete control of the army. Plus, the war ended after her death. Years after. She just began the movement.[/quote]pimppeter2 said:
That would mean that the President won every war in American history then. The commander is not the person in charge of the nation but the highest ranking person on site during the battle. The person who actually made the decisions. The King of France during Saint Joan's life conspired with the Catholic Church to have her tried and convicted of witchcraft because both parties felt that she was a threat to their political power.
All I have to say is America partly owes it's Freedom to France. During the Revolutionary War France gave America lots of money, ships, and supplies when America was in dire need of help against the British. Sure they may have been doing it just to piss of the British, but in the end they helped us. That counts for a lot in my book.
Also, who cares if they surrendered against the Germans? The Blitzkrieg attacks that Germany did during WWII rolled across Europe. They burnt many places to the ground with out mercy. What were the French to do? Keep their pride yet get their country burnt to the ground? They ended up fighting the Germans later on in the war anyway.
Also, who cares if they surrendered against the Germans? The Blitzkrieg attacks that Germany did during WWII rolled across Europe. They burnt many places to the ground with out mercy. What were the French to do? Keep their pride yet get their country burnt to the ground? They ended up fighting the Germans later on in the war anyway.
Oh dear, the problem with insulting someone is that more often or not it comes back and bites you in the backside as it has done with you.Razada said:
English is not based "on the French brought over by the Normans" because firstly they did not speak French they spoke Norman and secondly because English is a Germanic language with it's roots firmly in the Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain by the Anglo-Saxons. It has been influenced by many languages including Norman, which added elements of the Romance languages to English but kept the Germanic core that is still the core of modern English.
The Normans did not speak French in court, they spoke Norman which is a dialect of French much in the same way that Breton is.
Kindly check your facts before you insult me again.
I've been calling the French cowards and surrender-monkeys since I was about 12. The war on terror didn't start for about 10 years after that, so I'm guessing it's not because they wouldn't agree to help invade Iraq (though they didn't contribute to Afghanistan either and that one WAS a sanctioned war.)Artinam said:
We already paid that debt off, we gave the cash back in the 1800's and then the "saved their asses" part in WW1. We don't owe shit as a nation to anyone. Well maybe an apology to a few individuals, but not to entire nations.axia777 said:
Not true, the Americans where the main factor behind the German 1918 Spring Offensive which ultimately failed and allowed the Allies to launch their own offensive in the summer which was one of the factors that ended the war.Sulu said:
The Germans knew that they couldn't hope to compete with the Allies with the influx of American troops and huge industrial capacity so simply by entering the war America did more to end it than 3 years of bloody fighting.
That is all besides the point. I also never said we owed them anything. I just think that if it were not for them we would not be America, period. The British would have overwhelmed us tith their economic superiority.asinann said:
I also would like to know why do you hate France so damn much? They are relatively decent country that does less harm to the world than America. What is the problem?
That's what I'm telling the other guy. Still, The king is the ultimate commander of the troops. Just like the President of the Us is today. You wouldn't say the President won the war, you'd say America did. Just like you wouldn't say Joan one them the war. Because she didn't.asinann said:
Its helped, but It wasn't the cause of the victory. France and Brits would have won either wayFaps said:
