Westboro Baptist Church at Rutgers University

[TheDrunkNinja]

And suddenly the holes in Christianity become crystal clear.
First of all isn't God's love supposed to unconditional? Believing and worshipping him and having a "relationship" with him sound like conditions to me. Him or Jesus whatever, aren't they one and the same? Father, Son, Holy Spirit, whatever... I don't care.
And why does he punish us for not meeting those conditions? Must be tough love eh?

A man is sitting at a table. There is a tranq gun right next to him. Across the room is a child coloring in a coloring book. Another man enters the room and starts coloring with him. After 20 minutes the man looks around and violently grabs the child, removing his pants and underpants. As a moral man, I can assume that you would pick up the tranq gun and save the child. However the man sitting at the table doesn't. He just watches as the sexual abuse takes place, he watches and does nothing. What would you think of such a person?

That person is your god.

This has become a bashing session. People are always begging for tolerance in the world. For anyone to have no reservations when facing his fellow man. I hold no grudges against any man of any race, religion, or any lifestyle. I suggest you people do the same, hold back your violent attitudes, and treat this subject with the sensitivity and discretion it deserves. I would do the same for anyone else.

 

[dalek sec]

Either do nothing or unleash the hounds!

 

[darthzew]

What choice does a child have when pressed against a pew with his pants down?

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. Maybe just a little too much though.

He doesn't and that's what makes it wrong. I'm not going to tell you it isn't wrong, but I am telling you that judgment awaits that priest. Just as it awaits me and you.

Salvation is kind of like this...
A kid with no money and his friend are at a circus and want to ride a ferris wheel. They get in line and then then the owner asks for the kid's money. But the kid's friend says, "Don't worry, dad, he's with me." The owner lets them ride.

Christ is like that kid's friend in a way. You need to have a personal relationship with him in order to get into heaven, or the ferris wheel in my metaphor. That's all there is to Christianity. Of course, there are certain things you have to do to be friends with this kid, just like any relationship, but that's it.

A man is sitting at a table. There is a tranq gun right next to him. Across the room is a child coloring in a coloring book. Another man enters the room and starts coloring with him. After 20 minutes the man looks around and violently grabs the child, removing his pants and underpants. As a moral man, I can assume that you would pick up the tranq gun and save the child. However the man sitting at the table doesn't. He just watches as the sexual abuse takes place, he watches and does nothing. What would you think of such a person?

That person is your god.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1yv4J6ohE

I can't explain why bad stuff happens better than this guy does.

 

[darthzew]

What choice does a child have when pressed against a pew with his pants down?

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. Maybe just a little too much though.

He doesn't and that's what makes it wrong. I'm not going to tell you it isn't wrong, but I am telling you that judgment awaits that priest. Just as it awaits me and you.

Salvation is kind of like this...
A kid with no money and his friend are at a circus and want to ride a ferris wheel. They get in line and then then the owner asks for the kid's money. But the kid's friend says, "Don't worry, dad, he's with me." The owner lets them ride.

Christ is like that kid's friend in a way. You need to have a personal relationship with him in order to get into heaven, or the ferris wheel in my metaphor. That's all there is to Christianity. Of course, there are certain things you have to do to be friends with this kid, just like any relationship, but that's it.

And suddenly the holes in Christianity become crystal clear.
First of all isn't God's love supposed to unconditional? Believing and worshipping him and having a "relationship" with him sound like conditions to me. Him or Jesus whatever, aren't they one and the same? Father, Son, Holy Spirit, whatever... I don't care.
And why does he punish us for not meeting those conditions? Must be tough love eh?

He's not punishing you for not having a relationship, he's punishing you for sinning. He'll forgive you for your sins, you just gotta ask. You need to pursue him too. He loves you regardless, but to gain eternal life you have to do a bit.

Yeah, they're one and the same but they're separate. It's a concept called the trinity and it's something that even top Bible scholars don't understand.

 

[Cliff_m85]

What choice does a child have when pressed against a pew with his pants down?

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. Maybe just a little too much though.

He doesn't and that's what makes it wrong. I'm not going to tell you it isn't wrong, but I am telling you that judgment awaits that priest. Just as it awaits me and you.

Salvation is kind of like this...
A kid with no money and his friend are at a circus and want to ride a ferris wheel. They get in line and then then the owner asks for the kid's money. But the kid's friend says, "Don't worry, dad, he's with me." The owner lets them ride.

Christ is like that kid's friend in a way. You need to have a personal relationship with him in order to get into heaven, or the ferris wheel in my metaphor. That's all there is to Christianity. Of course, there are certain things you have to do to be friends with this kid, just like any relationship, but that's it.

A man is sitting at a table. There is a tranq gun right next to him. Across the room is a child coloring in a coloring book. Another man enters the room and starts coloring with him. After 20 minutes the man looks around and violently grabs the child, removing his pants and underpants. As a moral man, I can assume that you would pick up the tranq gun and save the child. However the man sitting at the table doesn't. He just watches as the sexual abuse takes place, he watches and does nothing. What would you think of such a person?

That person is your god.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1yv4J6ohE

I can't explain why bad stuff happens better than this guy does.

Then you have absolutely no hope, since he can't explain it logically either.

 

[Kubanator]

He's not punishing you for not having a relationship, he's punishing you for sinning. He'll forgive you for your sins, you just gotta ask. You need to pursue him too. He loves you regardless, but to gain eternal life you have to do a bit.

The sin is not creating a relationship. Also, don't use such ambiguous terms as love, as if I loved someone, I wouldn't damn them to an eternity of hell.

Yeah, they're one and the same but they're separate. It's a concept called the trinity and it's something that even top Bible scholars don't understand.

So your religion is based on a book people can't understand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1yv4J6ohE

I can't explain why bad stuff happens better than this guy does.

He believes that "god should hold sovereignty over us" which makes free will redundant. It's not free if someone else holds the reigns.

 

[darthzew]

Then you have absolutely no hope, since he can't explain it logically either.

I'm trying to help you here. If you were standing in front of a bus, I would push you out of the way. That's what I'm trying to do for you here. If you don't accept, it's your choice. Finally, if you don't mind, I'm going to pray for you.

The only conclusion I can reach now is to end this discussion with whatever dignity it has left. Therefore, I propose a handshake and a respectable tip of my hat.

 

[Jenkins]

plant a bomb on their compound, no one will care if they are gone.

 

[darthzew]

He's not punishing you for not having a relationship, he's punishing you for sinning. He'll forgive you for your sins, you just gotta ask. You need to pursue him too. He loves you regardless, but to gain eternal life you have to do a bit.

The sin is not creating a relationship. Also, don't use such ambiguous terms as love, as if I loved someone, I wouldn't damn them to an eternity of hell.

Yeah, they're one and the same but they're separate. It's a concept called the trinity and it's something that even top Bible scholars don't understand.

So your religion is based on a book people can't understand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1yv4J6ohE

I can't explain why bad stuff happens better than this guy does.

He believes that "god should hold sovereignty over us" which makes free will redundant. It's not free if someone else holds the reigns.

1. Alright, I'll use the Greek term Agape which is love that is spiritual in nature. And God doesn't condemn you to hell, you do by choosing sin.
2. Not the Bible, but more God himself. We can't understand a perfect being.
3. When you make a choice, you're still making it right? We still choose, even though God knows what will happen. If he made us all perfect, there'd be little point to even making us.

 

[Kubanator]

I'm trying to help you here. If you were standing in front of a bus, I would push you out of the way. That's what I'm trying to do for you here. If you don't accept, it's your choice. Finally, if you don't mind, I'm going to pray for you.

The only conclusion I can reach now is to end this discussion with whatever dignity it has left. Therefore, I propose a handshake and a respectable tip of my hat.

He doesn't believe he has choice, thus there is no choice.

1. Alright, I'll use the Greek term Agape which is love that is spiritual in nature. And God doesn't condemn you to hell, you do by choosing sin.

My sin was a lack of communication with god. To absolve it, I'd have to communicate with god. To communicate in god, I'd have to believe in him. To believe in him, I'd either need rational proof, a rousing speech capable of masking the logical fallacies of god from me, or I'd need to be in a weakened mental state. God won't accept me when I'm drunk, so I have two options, the first being impossible, the second absolving me of sin for a finite amount of time. Neither is complete redemption, and thus, I have no path of redemption. Thus, I have no choice but to sin, and therefore god has created a scenario where I am condemned to hell.

2. Not the Bible, but more God himself. We can't understand a perfect being.

On the contrary, a perfect being would be able to make himself perfectly clear if he wanted to. Thus he wanted to confuse humanity.

3. When you make a choice, you're still making it right? We still choose, even though God knows what will happen. If he made us all perfect, there'd be little point to even making us.

If I offer you the choice of infinite pleasure, in exchange for a task which I cannot complete, my only choice is to fail. There is no choice. Oh and if god knows what will happen, then there was no real choice. It means that the future is predestined, and thus I have no choice in my actions.

 

[blackshark121]

(Haven't read topic at response)

When Arab countries are represented in movies, there's always the sheik (priest) crying something. That's called Athan, its a call for when Muslims can pray. Get a Sheik and a megaphone and tell him to do the Athan in front of them, it'll send them over the edge. Failing that, get some loud computer speaks and find it on the internet.

EDIT: (Read topic now)

Also, definitely make signs contradicting what they say, stand in the crowd, and protest like them, or use the signs and stand a distance away.

 

[magnuslion]

I would use my rather large body, charismatic presence, and booming voice to preach against them, using the bible. I know a bit more about it that their preacher, because I can read hebrew and greek and read the old translation. so I would explain to them how God has forsaken them, who spread hate like a disease. Loudly, and frighteningly.

 

[firedfns13]

Isn't there some crazy, possibly homeless preacher guy that you can persuade to out spout them at their own game?
Or maybe park a few cars and blare some kickin techno/ metal in front of them. Get a most pit going. Guy Faux mosh pit. With rainbows. Lots of Rainbows and people in SS uniforms. And from an undisclosed location mortar some waterballoons in (with a forward observer on a phone discreetly) wiht those giant slingshots.

Also, Buttless chaps. In fact, I think buttless chaps and walking among them would be enough.
Or desecrate the bible in front of them, but that would concern going to hell (if it says anything about htat in the bible and your'e religious, I'm not)

I also like the idea of something so massive they get no attention.
Stage a huge paintball game in the middle of a park nearby.


*edit: senior prank idea from someone (kind of lame, but my school's strict)
A bunch of people in snuggies having a jedi fight in front of them.
Or the old Xbox commercial where everyone uses their hands as guns.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

What choice does a child have when pressed against a pew with his pants down?

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. Maybe just a little too much though.

He doesn't and that's what makes it wrong. I'm not going to tell you it isn't wrong, but I am telling you that judgment awaits that priest. Just as it awaits me and you.

Salvation is kind of like this...
A kid with no money and his friend are at a circus and want to ride a ferris wheel. They get in line and then then the owner asks for the kid's money. But the kid's friend says, "Don't worry, dad, he's with me." The owner lets them ride.

Christ is like that kid's friend in a way. You need to have a personal relationship with him in order to get into heaven, or the ferris wheel in my metaphor. That's all there is to Christianity. Of course, there are certain things you have to do to be friends with this kid, just like any relationship, but that's it.

And suddenly the holes in Christianity become crystal clear.
First of all isn't God's love supposed to unconditional? Believing and worshipping him and having a "relationship" with him sound like conditions to me. Him or Jesus whatever, aren't they one and the same? Father, Son, Holy Spirit, whatever... I don't care.
And why does he punish us for not meeting those conditions? Must be tough love eh?

He's not punishing you for not having a relationship, he's punishing you for sinning. He'll forgive you for your sins, you just gotta ask. You need to pursue him too. He loves you regardless, but to gain eternal life you have to do a bit.

Yeah, they're one and the same but they're separate. It's a concept called the trinity and it's something that even top Bible scholars don't understand.

Again if he was indeed all loving etc etc, then I shouldn't have to ask him to forgive me for my "sins," that should be a given. Besides, my knowledge of Christian mythology is limited, but didn't Jesus do the whole crucification thing so that we wouldn't have to ask for forgiveness for our "sins"? I'm sure I picked that up somewhere during my attempts to connect with the religion and find faith, before I before I bundled it all together and filed it in the round file under 'bullshit'.
Also maybe I don't WANT eternal life, did that ever occur to anyone? No, I bet it didn't.

Also I'd like to point out that I don't need the fear of retribution after death to motivate me to do the right thing. If doing the right thing, or not "sinning" isn't motivation in and of itself, then I think that's a serious problem.

 

[Lavi]

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET A CHICK TO FLIRT WITH SHIRLEY! (Yes, that is totally my plan if they make it into Canada)

Or turn violent...

 

[Shapsters]

You can do one two two options:

1. Don't do what they want and bother them, just ignore them

or

2. Buy a big ol' gun, and shoot the fuckers.

 

[psychowatcher]

As to a violent idea, you can get the biggest car you can find and are legally able to drive, drive as close as possible, then fake some sort of malady and crash into them. And if they have dragged their kids with them, mow them down too. Then, later, say God obviously hates them too, since something so horrible happened to them.

As to the non-violent ways, ignore them, but have fun ignoring them. Bring a radio and as large a group of friends as you can get and dance. Have a picnic. Have a mini-Woodstock of Love right in sight of their little hate-fest. And if they try to interact, ignore them. Unless they hit you. Then it's okay to hit them back. You can justify the action with "An eye for an eye" or the Rule of Three...

(Sorry, but I really hate these guys. The fact that their church is apparently not far west of where I live now makes my hatred worse...)

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

Indeed, deliberately go out of the way to ignore them. Walk within a foot of their protest, right through the path of it if need be, talking to a friend and act as if they are not even there. I don't mean bumping into them on purpose but treat the whole group as if they where nothing more then someone pedestrian standing out front of the building, maybe talking on a cell phone.

IE: Ignore them completely. They do what they do for nothing more then attention. Don't give it.