What Defines a True man ?
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IAS (In all seriousness): What makes a man a man and not a boy... cannot be measure quantitively. It's an experience that differs from person to person. Their own personal rite-of-passage. Becoming *insert age you are legally considered an adult in your home* or *insert religious ceremony* doesn't automatically make you a man.
A 'true' man?
Far too serious for me.
Oh, but some sort of facial hair is important.
Far too serious for me.
But this is magnificent.Private Custard said:
Oh, but some sort of facial hair is important.
Ah, a likeminded one. At first, i also considered to call what you mean "integrity", but then i noticed that all popular usages of "integrity" imply something "inwards". That is, integrity often is used like "internal coherence". But that doesn't fully express what you described (and what i wanted a word for).Impposter said:
In the end, i found what i was looking for in the german word "Wahrhaftigkeit" which linguistically is related to truth. It in principle means exactly what you described: Taking the concept of truth, and applying it to other relations than between statements and info. Bit like a kind of integrity that also is "outwards". Couldn't find a direct translation for it in english, so i just invented "truthfullness"
Commander Data, is that you!?!Lyx said:Ah, a likeminded one. At first, i also considered to call what you mean "integrity", but then i noticed that all popular usages of "integrity" imply something "inwards". That is, integrity often is used like "internal coherence". But that doesn't fully express what you described (and what i wanted a word for).Impposter said:
In the end, i found what i was looking for in the german word "Wahrhaftigkeit" which linguistically is related to truth. It in principle means exactly what you described: Taking the concept of truth, and applying it to other relations than between statements and info. Bit like a kind of integrity that also is "outwards". Couldn't find a direct translation for it in english, so i just invented "truthfullness"
Lol, sorry if you don't get that. It is not meant to mean or something bad. If you watched Star Trek: Next Generation series. You sound just like Commander Data.
That's because i tend to use a quite precise and "direct" language, which alone by itself may make me seem "cold" and "aggressive". I usually leave all the emotion and "calmness" to my voice and body-language - unfortunatelly, both gets stripped on a forumImpposter said:Commander Data, is that you!?!
Lol, sorry if you don't get that. It is not meant to mean or something bad. If you watched Star Trek: Next Generation series. You sound just like Commander Data.
The ability to take a beating...hell, to love the beating.
I don't know really...something to do with chivalry and stuff.
I don't know really...something to do with chivalry and stuff.
noun, plural men, verb, manned, man·ning, interjection
?noun
1.
an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.
If you need anything more than this to define a man, you are just being pretentious, in my opinion.
What makes a good person is a totally different question, and waaaay too subjective. But I assume it is what was meant here, albeit specific to a male. For me though, a good woman and a good man are the same thing (genitalia and gender sciences notwithstanding).
When asking what makes a good person, I think you can't say "One who does good things" as that view varies. Even if someone doesn't do what I consider to be good things, I still couldn't say they are a bad person. I also think you can't say "Someone who fights for their beliefs" because that's all well and good, but it can be taken too far. No doubt Attila the Hun fought for his beliefs.
I suppose my definition of what makes a good person, and by extension and specification, a true man, would be;
"One who does not lie to oneself, and is open-minded to new ideas, concepts or peoples, and upholds their beliefs with no doubt that those beliefs are wrong, but still with capacity for doubt."
This is actually a definition I have wrestled with for a long time. I think every element is important, because no matter what your beliefs are, be they anti-semitic, homophobic, pacifist, altruist, so long as you are honest with yourself about them and don't block them out of your head in order to attain some short-term hedonism, then you are at least somewhat wholesome, and very strong-weilled. And being open to new things is vital to me as well, for many reasons. Finally, having no doubt in your beliefs, but still capacity for doubt, as in you "can be convinced" is important - You aren't simply another zealot claiming he knows for fact what he believes.
Long winded answers FTW
?noun
1.
an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.
If you need anything more than this to define a man, you are just being pretentious, in my opinion.
What makes a good person is a totally different question, and waaaay too subjective. But I assume it is what was meant here, albeit specific to a male. For me though, a good woman and a good man are the same thing (genitalia and gender sciences notwithstanding).
When asking what makes a good person, I think you can't say "One who does good things" as that view varies. Even if someone doesn't do what I consider to be good things, I still couldn't say they are a bad person. I also think you can't say "Someone who fights for their beliefs" because that's all well and good, but it can be taken too far. No doubt Attila the Hun fought for his beliefs.
I suppose my definition of what makes a good person, and by extension and specification, a true man, would be;
"One who does not lie to oneself, and is open-minded to new ideas, concepts or peoples, and upholds their beliefs with no doubt that those beliefs are wrong, but still with capacity for doubt."
This is actually a definition I have wrestled with for a long time. I think every element is important, because no matter what your beliefs are, be they anti-semitic, homophobic, pacifist, altruist, so long as you are honest with yourself about them and don't block them out of your head in order to attain some short-term hedonism, then you are at least somewhat wholesome, and very strong-weilled. And being open to new things is vital to me as well, for many reasons. Finally, having no doubt in your beliefs, but still capacity for doubt, as in you "can be convinced" is important - You aren't simply another zealot claiming he knows for fact what he believes.
Long winded answers FTW
Best response to probably the best topic I've seen on the Escapist.Pirate Kitty said:
Bravo.
To be technical, I believe a true man needs drive to better himself, and better the world around him, for the good of ALL people.
Manly Men shrug off the plank you just hit them with and give you a menacing stare to deter you from doing it again.
Rugged men do the same, but give you an added punch to the gut.
Psychotic men grab the nearest blunt object and try to kill you with it.
Ideal men snatch it out of your hands before you hit them and throw it over the fence.
Gentlemen are about to get backstabbed.
Rugged men do the same, but give you an added punch to the gut.
Psychotic men grab the nearest blunt object and try to kill you with it.
Ideal men snatch it out of your hands before you hit them and throw it over the fence.
Gentlemen are about to get backstabbed.
