Shamus Young covered it in Experienced Points.Ren_Li said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/10215-Why-the-PS4-Doesnt-Do-PS3-Games
What did Sony do that was so great?
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My understanding is that PS3 sales managed to bypass 360 sales earlier this year. Therefore, if you don't count the Wii, PS3 technically won this generation. Of course, the consoles are still selling, so I essentially consider it a tie. The console sales are so close, picking a winner is relatively meaningless.Jetsetneo said:
EA removed their access codes not just because of the Xbone, but also because Sony has now stated that online mulitplayer will require PS+, which I'm sure they knew about ahead of time. With some kind of paid model that can enforce the tracking of the games, there is no longer a need for the codes. And even if there weren't, I sincerely doubt any publisher will make access codes for one system and not require them on all of them.
Both consoles will need to deal with pirating. Someone will figure out how to either disable the 24hr check on the Xbone or set up a local server so the device believes it is calling home. That's just the way of things in this day and age. Someone will figure out a way.
Publishers have currently devoted resources to both (all?) platforms. Once the new consoles are released, publishers will make note of which one sells the most and definitely support that one. If the Xbone fails to reach the success of its predecessors due to the restrictive anti-gamer measures it includes, the publishers will tend to focus more on PS4 and WiiU, as that is where the sales lie. It doesn't make sense to publish exclusively to the platform that only has 100 units sold, when the competition has sold 1000 units. It's not worth "protecting" a game if it means you are only going to receive a few sales on it anyway.
This all depends on the sales of the Xbone compared to PS4 and WiiU of course. Let's see if people can vote with their wallets as they claim they will.
um that was in consoles shipped not consoles actually bought. for all we know that sent out more consoles and they ended up sitting on shelves, and it was by a very small margin any way. i would call it a draw in the last couple years and a win in the first 5 years for MSCOMaestro said:
Sony managed to not screw up and then let the games carry them to victory.
Microsoft really screwed up and with whatever games that might carry it, it started so far behind it's still lost to me.
And I'm not much of a Nintendo person so if they do a good job and have good games, it's no concern of mine and a good alternative to investigate if things somehow turn sour with Sony.
Microsoft really screwed up and with whatever games that might carry it, it started so far behind it's still lost to me.
And I'm not much of a Nintendo person so if they do a good job and have good games, it's no concern of mine and a good alternative to investigate if things somehow turn sour with Sony.
I savor the answer to this, because it's so rare nowadays that any time I see it, it's a breath of fresh air.
Sony publicly acknowledged that the consumer is still first. Not publishers, not retailers, not developers, not shareholders, consumers. Effectively, they won over every smart console consumer in the market.
For some reason this is such an extreme fucking rarity nowadays that just the fact that they were able to do it set them ahead of the pack. If only the rest of the world would realize that they need to appeal to the people buying the product, too.
Sony publicly acknowledged that the consumer is still first. Not publishers, not retailers, not developers, not shareholders, consumers. Effectively, they won over every smart console consumer in the market.
For some reason this is such an extreme fucking rarity nowadays that just the fact that they were able to do it set them ahead of the pack. If only the rest of the world would realize that they need to appeal to the people buying the product, too.
PS4: It's not the XBone.
microsoft fucked up so hard this time while sony just gave people what they wanted: a newer stronger playstation with a good outlook for titles.
Also, having a console that doesnt watch you all the time is kinda neat.
Today you are successful just by not screwing it up, kinda sad.
microsoft fucked up so hard this time while sony just gave people what they wanted: a newer stronger playstation with a good outlook for titles.
Also, having a console that doesnt watch you all the time is kinda neat.
Today you are successful just by not screwing it up, kinda sad.
I don't see how the plus thing is such a big deal. Millions of people spent 7 years paying more than that on 360, and they weren't getting a slew of free games to play during that time. Also, you only need plus to play multiplayer games, they aren't putting Netflix and other apps behind a paywall like Microsoft does with gold. Simply put, you don't need gold unless you love playing games online, but I promise that the instant game collection more than pays for itself regularly. I planned on remaining a plus subscriber for as long as it was being offered and I couldn't be happier.
It's a better deal than Xbox Live for sure, but paying to use your own internet connection to use a feature in a game you paid for is still pretty shitty.DrunkOnEstus said:
it isnt so much what they did, but what they didnt do. MS made Sony look so good that all Sony had to do was to not include horrible features like DRM and other limitations.
the price point definitely helped, but if it had been the same price as the Xbone, i dont think many people would have cared.
the price point definitely helped, but if it had been the same price as the Xbone, i dont think many people would have cared.
Well really not screw up is all Sony had to do. Microsoft has bungled this whole thing up so thoroughly (on top of everything going into the event, MS had a pleasant little rape joke and a CoD tech glitch) that Sony has basically been playing E3 marketing on easy mode.rednose1 said:
Really I don't understand why anyone here is even pessimistic about the PS4 and Sony right now. I only saw 1 really glaring issue and that was the $5 monthly fee to PlayStation Network +, but the free games and DLC content will pay for that. I also really see why they are doing it and actually agree since they are selling you a subsidized piece of hardware that is more expensive than the XBone and substantially more powerful graphically. But lets examine in more detail in no particular order:
Pros:
1. PS4 only $399 (compared to the XBone at $499)
2. No DRM content
3. Used games support
4. 8GB RAM of GDDR5 (XBone has 8GB of DDR3).
5. No Internet required.
6. No motion controls or imaging hardware required for operation.
7. New IP's and more game exclusives than XBone has launch titles.
8. Does not operate with multiple OS's that eat up half your RAM to operate.
9. Doesn't force users to use it as an entertainment center for movies and TV, just encourages.
10. Crossover with PC games and MMO's that will allow console and PC users to play together despite ones preference for a particular platform (That's a big one.).
11. Partnership that allows previous PlayStation games to be played on the PS4 with the PSN
12. PSN+ doesn't bombard you with ads for a service you have already paid for.
13. Overall, it just looks cooler and has a sleeker design.
Cons:
1. Paying $5 a month for PSN+
2. PlayStation network not carrying over games from previous Playsation's to the PS4, perhaps only 1 in 20 titles is on the service atm.
3. Having to take my XBox 360 to the recycling center
4. Paying for gas to go buy a PS4 and drop my XBox 360 at the recycling center
So looking at that I think Sony has done a fantastic job of listening to their customer base. I will personally be buying one and I have been an Xbox customer since its launch, but Microsoft is too heavy handed in forcing me to buy stuff I just don't want.
Pros:
1. PS4 only $399 (compared to the XBone at $499)
2. No DRM content
3. Used games support
4. 8GB RAM of GDDR5 (XBone has 8GB of DDR3).
5. No Internet required.
6. No motion controls or imaging hardware required for operation.
7. New IP's and more game exclusives than XBone has launch titles.
8. Does not operate with multiple OS's that eat up half your RAM to operate.
9. Doesn't force users to use it as an entertainment center for movies and TV, just encourages.
10. Crossover with PC games and MMO's that will allow console and PC users to play together despite ones preference for a particular platform (That's a big one.).
11. Partnership that allows previous PlayStation games to be played on the PS4 with the PSN
12. PSN+ doesn't bombard you with ads for a service you have already paid for.
13. Overall, it just looks cooler and has a sleeker design.
Cons:
1. Paying $5 a month for PSN+
2. PlayStation network not carrying over games from previous Playsation's to the PS4, perhaps only 1 in 20 titles is on the service atm.
3. Having to take my XBox 360 to the recycling center
4. Paying for gas to go buy a PS4 and drop my XBox 360 at the recycling center
So looking at that I think Sony has done a fantastic job of listening to their customer base. I will personally be buying one and I have been an Xbox customer since its launch, but Microsoft is too heavy handed in forcing me to buy stuff I just don't want.
also, Sony has suddenly backtracked on DRM business:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-ps4-used-game-restrictions-up-to-publishers
Uh oh
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-ps4-used-game-restrictions-up-to-publishers
Uh oh
The Xbone set the bar so astronomically low, even status quo made the PS4 seem like the second coming.rednose1 said:
Microsoft's press conference today was only a little better than the Xbone's announcement disaster. They needed to really pull out all the stops this year to make up for that PR disaster.
They didn't.
Sony made it very clear that they are putting their bets with the consumer, not the developers as Microsoft is. More games, more variety of games, more exclusives, more gameplay was shown with the Playstation.
There is a bit of bad news that seemed to go under the radar, such as the requirement to get Playstation Plus to get multiplayer (leaving free multiplayer now only on WiiU, 3DS, and PC), but overall, Sony proved they are better than Microsoft.
It is just that really isn't saying much.
For the price of $400 USD, the PS4 will be something of a bargain. For $500-600, at the time of the next-gen release, I could build a gaming PC myself with reasonably equal specs for that price. But it will be at least one year after release before I could build a machine equal to the PS4 for the cost, maybe longer, depending on how or if the prices drop.
For budget gamers, this does look like an impressive choice to me. And there really isn't anything wrong with that. Sure, you have to pay for online play, but if the PS4 PS plus system is anything like the current PS plus system, then that will be a good value even if you never play online at all. We will see how things unfold, as these conferences are always "good news first" then the bad news comes the next day, but so far, I would not really blame anyone for being excited for the PS4, even though I may not get one myself.
For budget gamers, this does look like an impressive choice to me. And there really isn't anything wrong with that. Sure, you have to pay for online play, but if the PS4 PS plus system is anything like the current PS plus system, then that will be a good value even if you never play online at all. We will see how things unfold, as these conferences are always "good news first" then the bad news comes the next day, but so far, I would not really blame anyone for being excited for the PS4, even though I may not get one myself.
I think people are overstating out of relief. A lot of console folks were worried Microsoft would only do this if Sony was too. I bet people at Microsoft were of a sincere belief that Sony would, too. I doubt these decisions were made with disregard for the competition. Except Nintendo, because nobody seems to care what Nintendoes.Vykrel said:
So basically, Microsoft walks in and sets the bar so low that almost anything Sony did but not trip over it would get applause.
Granted, their video on how to share games had me grinning like crazy.
In a nutshell SONY treated their customers like adults. They communicated with them. They questioned the gamers. They questioned the developers. They didn't pay attention to those who shouted the loudest. they paid attention to how there products were used. They looked at past success and failures. And at the end of the day they very simply gave the customers the product that they wanted and had been asking for. And yes this should be common sense. This should not be something noteworthy in a business. But it is truly amazing how often businesses fail at this. Or how well it can serve successful ones.rednose1 said:
They didn't treat gamers like kids or morons. They elected instead to simply give us a very good new game system, and left it to us to use it as we would. They gave us back our agency.