What franchise has gone down hill the most?

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Dexiro

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Johnnyallstar said:
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You're wrong. There's another 50% of the fanbase out there that think FF7 was a steaming pile of crap and 8, 9 and 10 were awesome. I have no problem with your opinion, but please don't state your opinion as fact ~
Are you so sure of that 50%, or are you stating your opinion as fact? I agree that there are a lot of people who really like VIII and IX, but I've never ever ever heard anyone say that X was better than VII, unless X was the only one they've played. I mean, there are people who don't like VII, but it definitely owns the plurality by a wide margin. I've heard plenty of people say that X and X-2 are the worst though... right until XIII.
Tons of people I know both in real life and online think that X was better than VII, hell I thought X was better than VII. Not that I can't see value in FF7 it's just dated like nothing else, I feel I'd have some difficulty finding many people that liked FF7 without playing it near it's release.

X-2 on the other hand... I've heard a strange mix of opinions, it seems similar to FF12 in that it has some interesting gameplay but it's otherwise a bit messed up. Though I haven't played X-2 or 12 so I can't say for sure.
 

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The Gothic series. Some of the best rpgs ever made imho. Gothic 1? Amazing, what got me into rpgs, 2? amazing, 3? good enough to be called gothic, not as good as 1 and 2 though. 4? What? know that doesn't exist. Arcania? that's not Gothic. No...no it isn't I'm not listening lalalala.

Fable has also really fallen in quality. I agree with the guy that said that.
 

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Pokemon.

I get the feeling that it's just because I'm not a kid anymore and no longer to accept new ones, but 600+? Go away.
Gameplay wise Pokemon has had sort of a wobbly uphill curve, but they're definitely getting better. The amount of Pokemon is getting excessive though, they're gonna get to a point where the sprite artists are just gonna throw in the towel.
Have you seen the last one?
It looks like a VCR, they are practically turning into transformers.

It's absolute madness, SPARTA even. I don't get how they can keep working the new Pokemon into the cannon as well though, in the world at 1 point there was 151 pokemon, then suddenly they discovered a new land (despite all their modernish technology) with people who all share the same culture and language, but with different Pokemon which then spread to the original land without causing too much trouble.
Then that raises the question, if that's that flawed, what were the reasons behind the 350+ more?

It sense no makes.
 

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Command & Conquer

Its last installment literally seem to have been so universally reviled that it has killed the franchise off pretty much single-handedly. And for good reason too.
 

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Spartan1362 said:
Dexiro said:
Spartan1362 said:
Pokemon.

I get the feeling that it's just because I'm not a kid anymore and no longer to accept new ones, but 600+? Go away.
Gameplay wise Pokemon has had sort of a wobbly uphill curve, but they're definitely getting better. The amount of Pokemon is getting excessive though, they're gonna get to a point where the sprite artists are just gonna throw in the towel.
Have you seen the last one?
It looks like a VCR, they are practically turning into transformers.

It's absolute madness, SPARTA even. I don't get how they can keep working the new Pokemon into the cannon as well though, in the world at 1 point there was 151 pokemon, then suddenly they discovered a new land (despite all their modernish technology) with people who all share the same culture and language, but with different Pokemon which then spread to the original land without causing too much trouble.
Then that raises the question, if that's that flawed, what were the reasons behind the 350+ more?

It sense no makes.
I personally think the new Pokemon designs are really good. At first they look absolutely terrible, but then you think that the Pokemon in a more industrialised area would take on more industrial themes and such. With that perspective the modern-themed pokemon don't look so bad, and you can quell your rage long enough to see some of the other designs are actually pretty damn cool.

And gameplay-wise the newest games made the largest amount of improvements so far.
 

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Spyro the Dragon. It went from the greatest trilogy ever made to a dead horse being raped by devs and publishers alike in a single generation.
 

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Dexiro said:
Spartan1362 said:
Have you seen the last one?
It looks like a VCR, they are practically turning into transformers.

It's absolute madness, SPARTA even. I don't get how they can keep working the new Pokemon into the cannon as well though, in the world at 1 point there was 151 pokemon, then suddenly they discovered a new land (despite all their modernish technology) with people who all share the same culture and language, but with different Pokemon which then spread to the original land without causing too much trouble.
Then that raises the question, if that's that flawed, what were the reasons behind the 350+ more?

It sense no makes.
I personally think the new Pokemon designs are really good. At first they look absolutely terrible, but then you think that the Pokemon in a more industrialised area would take on more industrial themes and such. With that perspective the modern-themed pokemon don't look so bad, and you can quell your rage long enough to see some of the other designs are actually pretty damn cool.

And gameplay-wise the newest games made the largest amount of improvements so far.
Even if they do look cool, it doesn't make any sense cannon wise.
And I think Pokemon should be more biological then mechanical (I personally think that's lame and transformer-like, which is fine if thats what you originally set out to do, but Pokemon didn't).
 

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Fable

the Saw game series. and, maybe the movies

Tomb Raider

Metal Gear

Very reluctantly, Silent Hill. (1, 2, 3 and 4 were brilliant, 0rigins was terrible, Homecoming was pretty good, but not as good as the first four, and Shattered Memories was almost as bad as 0rigins.)
 

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Dragon Age.

Origins was amazing, Awakening wasn't quite as good, but very nearly... And then came the warm, steaming pile of fail that is Dragon Age 2.
Origins was a broken game. Frequent crashes, load times of over a minute because of a memory leak, etc. Dragon Age II has a couple of new flaws but fixes most of the old ones. Origins had a very cliché storyline, shallow characters and lack of interesting art design. Dragon Age II took its storytelling seriously. It's definitely a flawed and rushed game but in my opinion, and I know I'm in the minority, Dragon Age II is a huge improvement over Origins. /Prepares flame shield
 

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Crash Bandicoot! Goddam everything after The Wrath of Cortex can suck my scrotum. I miss good Crash games. I remember how awesome CTR was.
 

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Wow, these are all pretty poor answers compared to the correct one: Command and Conquer.
Hell yes. They (EA) completely and utterly killed that series when they brought out the fourth game.
 

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Sonic The Hedgehog. This guy used to go toe to toe with Mario. MARIO. SEGA used to have it's own consoles, and actually had Nintendo on the ropes at one point. Now we have Sonic on every console imaginable, and his games hit the discount bins a week after launch. He's fallen so very, very, very, very far.
I'm curious to know exactly when Sega had Nintendo on the ropes?The NES,Gameboy,SNES,N64 and Gamecube all outsold their Sega competitors.
 

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The winner is obviously Command and Conquer.
The C&C series was once the best RTS had to offer, then EA took over, got rid of westwood, and killed command and conquer.
Red Alert 3 and Command and Conquer 4 are TERRIBLE.

So, I just made this:
 

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Well, this is certainly attaining to my interest, my first post ever in the forums.

I could beat a dead horse and rattle off many... many things already listed, sonic, metroid, mario. But why continue reiterating the same points.

Starfox - The first few were great, even Adventures was still a forerunner, until all that furre sledge was mucked up, and Nintendo tried to cash in on the same cow, thus lumping Starfox in with it's other abused franchises.

Left 4 Dead 2 - I loved the first left 4 dead, even the second one was alright, but it is an expansion pack they expect people to pay full price for. A few new monsters, a few more weapons and one new thing (Melee weapons). Yes they made changes, but not enough for a full priced game, and given Valves track record of taking forever to release an awesome mind blowing game, it feels rushed and unpolished to me, and the price is through the roof for what it is. I didn't buy it till it went to the bargain bin myself.

Warcraft - It was good the RTS games, then the MMORPG, vanilla and BC, then everything went down hill when activitions bought blizzard out, they seemed to have adopted activisions business ethics as well.

EA Sports - personally I've never been a big sports game player, mostly none really. But I am surprised no one has touched this franchise yet. EA sports holds a stranglehold monopoly on the sports game industry (Which is also Illegal as the monopoly violates anti-trust laws.) Only one sports game (A football game I cannot remember the name of) has ever been released outside of EA. All they do is rehash the same game with slightly better graphics and no new innovation, I honestly feel it stagnates more than Sonic could ever dream of.

Aliens/Predator (Aliens vs Predator Franchises) - Again, I'm surprised no one has brought this topic up. Aliens and predators have had some good individual games, and even fought each other in better games, but the series has some awful games, that I have to convince myself are good to justify the prices. Aliens was one of the first horror/sci-fi movies I ever saw in my lifetime, and thus I have always followed the franchise cash in after cash in. The last AvP game was rancid, I pre-ordered it because the original team was rebooting it, or remaking it was ok to start with, but Lance Hindrickson of just about any b-movie fame was attached, following on from the AvP movie plot, then they ruined the predators side of the story, cut the very fun aliens side in half, and extended the boring old marine side. AvP2 from 2000 is probably the pentical of success (I even enjoyed AvP extinction, even though I believe it would have been a better computer game than a console RTS.) But thus far it has been going down hill for all sides for quite a long time.

Black & White - The first game was revolutionary which featured AI with a learning curve, and is still quite unprecedented in that fact. Gameplay was fun and I spent many many many hours (Perhaps days) enjoying the original. I honestly never bothered with Black and white 2 when I heard it focused more on war and less on creature development. Most of what I have researched said it was garbage and gameplay never really fascinated me eather.

Dead Space - Before people beat me to death over this opinion, the games are good. The forum is about franchises and the Dead Space franchise itself (Comics, movies, tie in material) is god awful, made to squeeze precious penny's from the fan base, and also follows on with EA asking for money to unlock content already on the disc, IE day one DLC, which every game of theirs seems to have now of days. I don't agree with this business model at all, that and the franchise is designed to be a big penny pincher. The games are good though.

Gears of War - I played the first one, it was ok at best, but it was envisioned as a trilogy from the beginning, I felt the ending was lacking, and couldn't really stomach gears of war 2. Aside from that the reason this game is on my opinionated list, is because between it and halo have ruined the particular FPS genre Switching between two weapons screen getting blurry with the more damage you take and nothing that can't be fixed by hiding for a few minutes sucking your thumb or thinking really hard about someplace nice, or playing peek-a-boo with masonry. And rendering everything in gritty dirt and dust. Mostly involving an alien invasion at some point. I mean provided Halo and Gears did not have this effect Duke Nukem Forever could have been a by far better game But I do feel Gears is going down hill regardless how many people will not agree with me (It is my opinion after all) and rather than taking just self down with it, it and halo dragged the genre along for the same ride, ruining other franchise and games before they even had a chance.
 

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All the sports franchises. There is making a similar game year on year, like Call of Duty, and then there is making LITERALLY EXACTLY THE SAME GAME AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH NO DIFFERENCES AT ALL.

Fuck you, EA. Activision is trying, but it will NEVER be as fucking terrible as you.