What franchise has gone down hill the most?

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StrappingYoungLad

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Mr. Omega said:
Sonic the Hedgehog. There is no other answer. From it's highest high of the first three games and the two Adventure titles to the mediocre Heroes to the dark abyss that is Shadow and Sonic 06. Sure, there have been worse games, but to go from being the rival of fucking MARIO to the laughing stock of the gaming industry is a deep, long, painful fall from grace. There have been signs of improvement, but the fact is Sonic will never be where he once was ever again.
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Unreal. The first is an all time classic. Tournament is an all time classic, and still played to this day. Unreal 2 disappointed. 2k3 disappointed. 2k4 delivered what 2k3 should have. Tournament 3 killed the series.

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Grand Theft Auto. 1 and 2 were decent enough. III is an all time classic. Vice City is terrific. San Andreas is one of the greatest games ever made. IV is over-hyped and under performing. Relationship simulator + gun battles - humour - fun = disappointed fans.

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Call of Duty. Oh my. The most successful game series of all time. 4 is a masterpiece. The most memorable moment? The one without words, gunfire and a single drop of blood. A mushroom clowd grows in the distance. Children's voices echo around you. Fade to black. For each additional entry, the series has spat, pissed, shit and thrown up on fans and has become the standard industry business model: Do Not Innovate. Make less content. Charge more. Rape your customers. Call of Duty went from being the second coming of the FPS to being the most hated name in all of gaming.
The problem with recent unreals was that it tried being too much like Halo and not enough like Unreal. It evolved sure, but evolved into something a bit more generic: a quality unreal didn?t really need help with.

Thanks for bringing up gta; I thought I was going to have to be the first. The first couple came out when I was a little out of the game-loop but when I got a ps2, Vice City was one of the first games I picked up. It was a good all-arounder: something to put on when you don?t know what to put on. I enjoyed San Andreas even more. Hell, I even liked the handheld ones. When 4 came out I wasn?t expecting it to be as big or content stuffed as San Andreas but I thought it could at least live up to 3... which it did... after a couple of $20 dlc packs. But bare bones, it was pretty weak. I thought it would be rectified pretty quickly (as last generation we got a new city to play in every other year) but we?re not going to see another one until at least next year. With all that time, it had better be pretty spectacular. And while I don?t mind the bowling and darts, they should first get the RC and firetruck missions in there first. And what happened to al the in game rewards? They were all replaced with lame achievement trophies. At least we still have Saints Row.

As for COD, you?ll see them stop spaming it when gamers stop buying it. If enough people buy the yearly release, they will keep making one but I agree that it?s bad form to make less content every time. Everyone loved Vice and San Andreas because they kept adding to the gameplay. If they were able to keep the quality of cod consistent (or if you could imagine in this generation... improve it) I would have no problem with them releasing it every year. I would probably still not get every one. In fact, the only one we own is Blops. The other ones I tried were borrowed or rented.
 

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Resident Evil for me. I've always been a fan since the very first one and I can't help but think this survival horror franchise it used to have is dead. I'm a bit of an old school/retro gamer so when they drastically change something I'm used to I can be pretty much against it. I also can't stand all the Sonic games that have been released. Talk about milking it all for what it's worth. Suppose I could say the same with all the Mario games. But some of them are pretty decent.
 

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Johnnyallstar said:
Final Fantasy. There's just no contest at all. Sure, Call of Duty may be copy paste, but that's what the fanboys love. Squeenix, on the other hand, has decided to kick their fans in the collective balls repeatedly ever since Final Fantasy X.
Pretty much this. Ever since VII it has been one gigantic downhill spiral. After X I just gave up and have not picked anything made by Square-Enix up after that.
 

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Digital_Hero said:
I never really got why MGS3 was regarded as the best either. I will admit I quite enjoyed it and it gave some interesting game play, but I could hardly regard it as the best. Imo, the best one would have to be Metal Gear Solid. I played the game when it came out in what, 98? and it's still to this day one of the greatest games i've ever played. It had a great anti-war message, it was still awesome and the story had yet to con-volute itself into the storyline mess that is mgs4 >_> looking at you .... nano machines.

I never played the psp titles, were they really that bad?
What bothers me about the plot isn't the nanomachines (after all, those were introduced as far back as MGS1) but rather that The Patriots turn out to be the people you talked to on the Codec in MGS3 and the whole freaking storyline revolves around two people in a man-parts war over who has the correct interpretation of some soldier girl's ideology

As for the PSP games, to be completely honest I thought Portable Ops was actually pretty good. The gameplay took MGS3 and improved on it. The only problem was that it had the user-controlled camera (which really doesn't work on a PSP) but there is some automation at times.

Everyone in the world is going to disagree with me on this, but my impression of Peace Walker was that it took everything Portable Ops did right and utterly ruined it, and then threw a whole metric ton of new problems on top of that. It is simply not a good game.

Story-wise, both of them can be ignored, but again Portable Ops story is slightly better. In all honesty, it surprises me that the game with the shorter development time that Kojima admits he didn't really put all that much effort into turned out (in my eyes anyway) to be a lot better than the game that was (so I've heard) his personal pet project. Kinda says something about the man, right?
 

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ManThatYouFear said:
I came in prepared to kick someones teeth in who brought up Halo

I shall leave this thread happy :)

Oh and Fable.
The Halo series never went downhill... It was a pile of garbage to begin with.
 

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PlasmaFrog said:
I'll vouch for Final Fantasy. It has been terrible ever since VII with the partial exception for XII, only because of the leveling and combat system.
You're wrong. There's another 50% of the fanbase out there that think FF7 was a steaming pile of crap and 8, 9 and 10 were awesome. I have no problem with your opinion, but please don't state your opinion as fact ~
 

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Spartan1362 said:
Pokemon.

I get the feeling that it's just because I'm not a kid anymore and no longer to accept new ones, but 600+? Go away.
Gameplay wise Pokemon has had sort of a wobbly uphill curve, but they're definitely getting better. The amount of Pokemon is getting excessive though, they're gonna get to a point where the sprite artists are just gonna throw in the towel.
 

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TheLiham said:
PlasmaFrog said:
I'll vouch for Final Fantasy. It has been terrible ever since VII with the partial exception for XII, only because of the leveling and combat system.
This.

Or Pokemon.

Or Sonic.

Or Half-life.

Or most things.
how is Half Life ven in youre list? The games were good, got a good critical response and... oh, there hasant been a half life for quite a while...

i find your thinking process and gaming taste worrying....
 

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mikey7339 said:
Johnnyallstar said:
Final Fantasy. There's just no contest at all. Sure, Call of Duty may be copy paste, but that's what the fanboys love. Squeenix, on the other hand, has decided to kick their fans in the collective balls repeatedly ever since Final Fantasy X.
Pretty much this. Ever since VII it has been one gigantic downhill spiral. After X I just gave up and have not picked anything made by Square-Enix up after that.
While I, and most sane people, agree that VII was the best, there is that small contingency that really love IX. And even if VII was their magnum opus, they didn't really fall out of favor until X when their fans really started to say "Okay.. what the hell happened to final fantasy?"

Dexiro said:
You're wrong. There's another 50% of the fanbase out there that think FF7 was a steaming pile of crap and 8, 9 and 10 were awesome. I have no problem with your opinion, but please don't state your opinion as fact ~
Are you so sure of that 50%, or are you stating your opinion as fact? I agree that there are a lot of people who really like VIII and IX, but I've never ever ever heard anyone say that X was better than VII, unless X was the only one they've played. I mean, there are people who don't like VII, but it definitely owns the plurality by a wide margin. I've heard plenty of people say that X and X-2 are the worst though... right until XIII.
 

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Question... Fable went downhill... which one was the good one?
I mean Fable was over-promised and the finished product wasn't all that good. Fable 2 was slightly better. Fable 3 was ever so slightly better but still not good yet. Fable: Journeys (or whatever it's called) isn't out and ready to be judged yet...

That answer lost me a little.

PS Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 were intended to be the "dark middle chapter" of their respective sagas. Not by being darker in the cinematic sense. Just by not being very good. That way Bioware doesn't have to work too hard to make the third games end on a high note :)
 

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Nimzabaat said:
Question... Fable went downhill... which one was the good one?
I mean Fable was over-promised and the finished product wasn't all that good. Fable 2 was slightly better. Fable 3 was ever so slightly better but still not good yet. Fable: Journeys (or whatever it's called) isn't out and ready to be judged yet...

That answer lost me a little.
IMO, Fable 1 had a lot of POTENTIAL to be good. That potential was completely squandered by the follow-ups as they just stuck to the exact same formula with small tweaks and fuck-all innovation.
 

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In order:
1. World of Warcraft - "You know this fight from BC, and that fight from Vanilla? Yeah, take this from BC and that from Vanilla, and you got this boss. Okay, let's fight!"

2. Call of Duty - "Black Op$" and That CoD Pay-to-get-stuff-you-got-on-other-games-for-free service that Kotick forced them to make.

3. Sonic the Hedgehog - Well, I can't think of anything witty to say here.
 

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Cheery Lunatic said:
Hm, surprised Laura Croft hasn't been mentioned.

While the upcoming reboot has me interested, according to a lot of fans the series is absolutely horrible when comparing newer games to the older titles.
I was about to mention Sonic but Yes tomb raider has been annoying since day one so actually I'm still going to go with sonic, since Tomb raider has always been a bif naff and it continued at a steady pace where it's more gotten boring rather than having gotten worse.