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Jenvas1306

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An interessting example:
Imagine you are with your partner, whom you love deeply (or imagine such a person if youre single at the moment), and you happen to see an old couple, they are holding hands, looking at each other in that lovers way, maybe kissing decently. Isnt that sort of a cute image? doesnt it make you think of being with your partner for that long time and still having so much love for each other?

If your reaction is different based on that couple being a man and a woman, two women or two men, then you might have been brainwashed by society.
 

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generals3 said:
How can i not do the same with same sex couples? I don't consider men attractive at all, how is that different from considering an ugly girl not attractive?
You're not attracted to men because you're apparently 100% straight and you're not attracted to MEN, attractiveness be damned. There is no reason outside of "they're a man=no", which is understandable, you're 100% straight and that's how your mind fundamentally operates. That's not taste. That's immutable orientation.

You're not attracted to unattractive women because they're unattractive. That's taste. You prefer attractive women because your TASTE leads you to seeking attractive women out, they are more aesthetically pleasing to the eye. And your taste leads you to not seek unattractive women out. That's preferences based on what you are interested in and those interests are based on taste.

Tastes can be very immutable. My orientation is in a sense a key determinant of my taste. And my attraction is not towards all women, just like it is not towards any males.
Your attraction is a key determinant of your taste towards women. Men aren't even on the table for you. Only women are on the table for you. So there is no taste necessary with men, you're 100% straight.

Actually the problem I have is that you are determined to knowing why i don't like seeing two men frenching better than myself. In a sense I find it rather pretentious you would know me better than myself. The only person who could make such claims is my shrink (if i ever were to have one). You could be right, but i'm not convinced. I doubt you have sufficient knowledge of Psychology and my mind to make such claims with enough certainty.
You don't need to be convinced. I'm not telling you what to think. I *am* saying research has been done on the subject, I've read it, and I posted it on this page. It's up to you to ask yourself do you have a legitimate reason why you feel the way you do towards two guys showing affection.

Not frenching. French kissing/making out/whatever you want to call it. That's a different situation. We're talking about an innocent kiss. Maybe a bit a tongue, maybe not, all in all, an innocent kiss that occurs between a man and woman and two women daily. Not outright frenching. Basic affection. Affection done out of love. Not sexualized. Turning an innocent kiss into a sexualized incident actually is more or less a perfect example of projective disgust, not saying you did that.
 

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Okay firstly let me clear up where I'm coming from, I'm your typical heterosexual male aged in his 20's. And I have a dilemma - you see, I absolutely love the sight of two women kissing or getting it on. It's rather arousing, if not simply plain damn sexy as hell.
But the sight of two GUYS kissing makes my brain have a fucking seizure. I can't help it.

The definition of homophobia is "holding prejudice against homosexuals", but I hold no prejudice against a guy I meet if he tells me he's gay. Whatever, doesn't bother me, I'd still treat him the same as I treat anyone else. BUT if I saw the same guy engaging in something romantic...even something as simple as holding hands in a "we are obviously lovers" fashion with another guy...I feel the need to look away, something simply clicks in my mind and yells "oh god why did I have to see that??". An image of two guys kissing, even on the internet, makes me immediately get rid of that image as fast as my fingers allow me to and spend the next few minutes recovering from the shock of seeing such a thing, my mind desperately trying to trash that image into a virtual bin.

But I still find the sight of lesbians damn, damn sexy.

You see, what I'm asking here is why the word "homophobic" has one single definition, when I GUARANTEE you that a sizable chunk of the world's population could be classified as "homophobic" when it comes to homosexuals of their own gender, and not bothered at all by the idea of the OPPOSITE sex engaging in homosexual acts.

Case in point, I bet a lot of women find the idea of two guys getting it on quite sexy/arousing. It has to be true judging by all the stuff I find on DeviantArt (yes, that site, deal with it :p) drawn-up by female artists, and all the comments by female fans. And I've known plenty of females who could literally puke at the very thought of two girls kissing yelling "oh god disgusting!!", something that would be a welcome sight by a lot of guys. They could be called homophobic because they dislike the idea of lesbians...okay, dislike is a strong word, but they will still make them uneasy or uncomfortable. But it's only natural, is it not??

Thoughts?

And of course, what would be an Escapist discussion be without a slightly relevant video :p
You're not a homophobic. I get the same feeling when I see 2 men kissing to, I also get the same feeling when I see my parents kiss as well doesn't mean anything.
 

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Jenvas1306 said:
An interessting example:
Imagine you are with your partner, whom you love deeply (or imagine such a person if youre single at the moment), and you happen to see an old couple, they are holding hands, looking at each other in that lovers way, maybe kissing decently. Isnt that sort of a cute image? doesnt it make you think of being with your partner for that long time and still having so much love for each other?

If your reaction is different based on that couple being a man and a woman, two women or two men, then society might have brain washed you.
My reaction would be different for those things, but that's OK.

I would prefer to see two women making out, or a guy and a girl, than two guys making out. That's just preference.
Back to your example:
What if the man was 82, and the girl 19? The man tiny and the woman morbidly obese? One guy a wealthy businessman and his partner a homeless bum? One person obviously mentally handicapped and the other not?

Would your reaction be different to these scenarios? Or has society brain washed you too?
 

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Time to post the projective disgust article again so everyone can read it, because the descriptions most are giving (either theoretically or actual individual thought) are classic examples of projective disgust:

http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/06/disgust-at-primary-objects-and-projective-disgust/

Disgust seems like a deep-seated bodily response to certain smells, sights, and feels, which has little to do with what we learn or how we interpret the world.

In the past twenty years, however, important experimental work by psychologist Paul Rozin and his colleagues has shown conclusively that disgust has a marked cognitive element. What people find disgusting depends crucially on the idea they have of the object. Thus disgust is not simply sensory distaste. Subjects who sniff the same odor from two vials, being told that one contains feces and the other contains cheese, are usually disgusted by the first but not by the second. Nor is disgust identical with the sense of danger. People will eat formerly poisonous mushrooms if they are convinced that the poison has been removed, but they won?t swallow a cockroach even if they are sure it has been sterilized; subjects even refuse to swallow a cockroach sealed in a plastic capsule that will emerge, undigested, in the subject?s feces.

Disgust, Rozin finds, concerns the borders of the body. Its central idea is that of contamination: the disgusted person feels defiled by the object, thinking that it has somehow entered the self. Further experiments show that behind this idea of personal contamination lies the idea that ?you are what you eat?: if you take in something base or vile, you become like that yourself.

So what are people unwilling to be or become? The so-called primary objects of disgust are reminders of human animality and mortality: feces, other bodily fluids, corpses, and animals or insects who have related properties (slimy, smelly, oozy) . . . .

When people experience disgust, then, they are expressing an aversion to prominent aspects of what every human being is. They feel contaminated by what reminds them of these aspects, which people often prefer to conceal. Such aversions almost certainly have an evolutionary basis, but they still have to be confirmed by learning: children do not exhibit disgust until the ages of two or three years old, during the time of toilet training. This means that society has room to interpret and shape the emotion, directing it to some objects rather than others, as happens with anger and compassion.

In virtually all societies, disgust is standardly felt toward a group of primary objects: feces, blood, semen, urine, nasal discharges, menstrual discharges, corpses, decaying meat, and animal/insects that are oozy, slimy, or smelly . . . Disgust at primary objects is usually a useful heuristic, steering us away from the dangerous when there is no time for detailed inquiry.

Disgust is then extended from object to object in ways that could hardly bear rational scrutiny. This sort of extended disgust is what I call projective disgust . . . .

Projective disgust is shaped by social norms, as societies teach their members to identify alleged contaminants in their midst. All societies, it appears, identify as least some humans as disgusting. Very likely this is a stratagem adopted to cordon off the dominant group more securely from its own feared animality: if those quasi humans stand between me and the world of disgusting animality, then I am that much further from being mortal/decaying/smelly/oozy myself. Projective disgust rarely has any reliable connection with genuine danger. It feeds on fantasy, and engineers subordination. Although it does serve a deep-seated human need ? the need to represent oneself as pure and others as dirty ? this is a need whose relation to social fairness looks (and is) highly questionable.

Projective disgust (involving projection of disgust properties onto a group or individual) takes many forms, but it always involves linking the allegedly disgusting group or person somehow with the primary objects of disgust. Sometimes this is done by stressing the close practical connection of the group with the primary objects: untouchables in the Indian caste system were those who cleaned latrines and disposed of corpses; women seem to many men to be particularly closely linked with blood and other bodily fluids through their receptive sexuality, their role in birth, and menstruation, a common source of norms of ?untouchability.?

Often, however, the extension works in more fantasy-laden ways, by imputing to people or groups properties similar to those that are found disgusting in the primary objects: bad smell, ooziness, rottenness, germiness, decay. Typically, these projections have no basis in reality. Jews are not really slimy, or similar to maggots, although German anti-Semities, and Hitler himself, said that they were. African-Americans do not smell worse than other human beings, although racists said that they did. And often, when there is an element of what I?ve called practical connection, projection imputes dirtiness or contamination where where is no reason to do so. . . Notice, then, that projective disgust involves a double fantasy: a fantasy of the dirtiness of the other and a fantasy of one?s own purity. Both sides of the projection involve false belief, and both conduce to a politics of hierarchy.

Societies have many ways of stigmatizing vulnerable minorities. Disgust is not the only mechanism of stigmatization. It is, however, a powerful and central one, and when it is removed (when, for example, aversion to physical contact with a racial minority is no longer present), other modes of hierarchy tend to depart along with it.

It is not surprising that sexuality is an area of life in which disgust often plays a role. Sex involves the exchange of bodily fluids, and it marks us as bodily beings rather than angelic transcendent beings. So sex is a site of anxiety for anyone who is ambivalent about having an animal and mortal nature, and that includes many if not most people. Primary-object disgust therefore plays a significant role in sexual relations, as the bodily substances people encounter in sex (semen, sweat, feces, menstrual blood) are very often found disgusting and seen as contaminants. Therefore, it is not surprising that projective disgust also plays a prominent role in the sexual domain. In almost all societies, people identify a group of sexual actors as disgusting or pathological, contrasting them with ?normal? or ?pure? sexual actors (prominently including the people themselves and their own group). This stigmatization takes many different forms. Misogyny is an aspect of it in most cultures, as males distance themselves from the discomfort they feel by associating bodily fluids with the woman who receives them, and not, at the same time, with their own bodies . . . .

There is no doubt that the body of the gay man has been a central locus of disgust-anxiety ? above all, for other men. Female homosexuals may be objects of fear, or moral indignation, or generalized anxiety; but they have less often been objects of disgust. Similarly, heterosexual females may have felt negative emotions toward the male homosexual ? fear, moral indignation, anxiety ? but again, they have more rarely felt emotions of disgust . . .

What inspires disgust is typically the male thought of the male homosexual, imagined as anally penetrable. The idea of semen and feces mixing together inside the body of a male is one of the most disgusting ideas imaginable ? to males, for whom the idea of nonpenetrability is a sacred boundary against stickiness, ooze, and death. (The idea of contamination-by-penetration is probably one central idea, but the more general idea is that of the male body as defiled by the contamination of bodily fluids: and proximity to a contaminated body is itself contaminating.) The presence of a homosexual male in the neighborhood inspires the thought that one might lose one?s own clean safeness, one might become the receptacle for those animal products. Thus disgust is ultimately disgust at one?s own imagined penetrability and ooziness, and this is why the male homosexual is both regarded with disgust and viewed with fear as a predator who might make everyone else disgusting. The very look of such a male is itself contaminating ? as we see in the extraordinary debates about showers in the military. The gaze of a homosexual male is seen as contaminating because it says, ?You can be penetrated.? And this means that you can be made of feces and semen and blood, not clean plastic flesh. Thus it is not surprising that (to males) the thought of homosexual sex is even more disgusting than the thought of reproductive sex, despite the strong connection of the latter with mortality and the cycle of the generations. For in heterosexual sex the male imagines that not he but a lesser being (the woman, seen as animal) receives the pollution of bodily fluids; in imagining homosexual sex he is forced to imagine that he himself might be so polluted. This inspires a stronger need for boundary drawing . . . .

I contend that projective disgust plays no proper role in arguing for legal regulation, because of the emotion?s normative irrationality and its connection to stigma and hierarchy.

We cannot conclude that a policy is wrong simply because it is backed by a rhetoric of disgust: for there may be other better reasons in its favor. Disgust, however, often prevents us from looking for those good reasons, creating the misleading impression that the policy has already been well defended. Turning to it to legitimize policies that can be defended in other ways is therefore dangerous, because this encourages us to stop short in our search for rationally defensible categories. And the emotion itself encourages us to accept hierarchies and boundaries that are not defensible within a political tradition based on equal respect.

Even those who believe that disgust still provides a sufficient reason for rendering certain practices illegal, however, should agree with a weaker thesis: namely, that disgust provides no good reason for limiting liberties or compromising equalities that are constitutionally protected (pp. 13-21).
 

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disgruntledgamer said:
You're not a homophobic. I get the same feeling when I see 2 men kissing to, I also get the same feeling when I see my parents kiss as well doesn't mean anything.
You indirectly just compared homosexuality to incest.
 

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101flyboy said:
TJC said:
Ok, look, guys. I'm on this site to procrastinate, so I can't dignify either of you with a full response right now. You both have good points. I actually agree with you on 90% of what you've said, and I think I've misrepresented my own position quite badly.
Basically, after skimming the thread, I felt that-

Flyboy seemed to be slightly too aggressive. The vibe I got was 'if you're even slightly bothered by this, then you're bad and/or have some psychological problem.'

Whereas my position is something like 'If you're sightly bothered by this, then you're not intrinsically bad, but you should try to move past it. In the meantime, simply not allowing yourself to become a problem for other people is adequate.

Anyway, I'll expand on this properly another time. Got essays to do...
 

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dvd_72 said:
You know, I thought on this recently. I don't have a problem with homosexuals as they are, but overt displays of physical affection by them .... bugs me more than with heterosexual or lesbian couples. Thing is, I believe it to have something to do with my tendency to put myself in the shoes of people I observe. The thought of taking part in homosexual activities gives me the exact same uncomfortable feeling as I get when I observe these overt displays of affection.

I do believe that where I homosexual I'd have the same feeling of discomfort if I where to see overt displays of affection by a heterosexual couple (unless I put myself in the woman's shoes) or lesbian couple. That's just the way I think I am.
That makes a surprizing amount of sense. If you put yourself into the position of either of a lesbian couple, you would still kiss a woman, which would be nice if you are attracted to that woman.
The point is, if you should feel directly disgusted if you would end up kissing a guy, or just not have the positive effect of kissing a woman you are attracted to.

I dont find it disgusting to kiss a woman per se, it depends on the individual, as it does with men. I actually have tried it and wasnt disgusted, it was just a kiss without all the excitement I experiance when kissing a guy I'm attracted to.
 

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101flyboy said:
Not frenching. French kissing/making out/whatever you want to call it. That's a different situation. We're talking about an innocent kiss. Maybe a bit a tongue, maybe not, all in all, an innocent kiss that occurs between a man and woman and two women daily. Not outright frenching. Basic affection. Affection done out of love. Not sexualized. Turning an innocent kiss into a sexualized incident actually is more or less a perfect example of projective disgust, not saying you did that.
Well I think we have had a communication issue here. I have always used the word frenching because that is what i had in mind. I wouldn't find two guys showing less explicit signs of affections "disgusting", maybe 'weird' but not something that would make want to look the other way.
 

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101flyboy said:
Projective disgust, boys and girls, in a nutshell.
Alright I read most of your posts and I understand what you're saying but honestly if you want people to see your point of view you need to stop being so hostile. [/protip]
 

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Jenvas1306 said:
That makes a surprizing amount of sense. If you put yourself into the position of either of a lesbian couple, you would still kiss a woman, which would be nice if you are attracted to that woman.
The point is, if you should feel directly disgusted if you would end up kissing a guy, or just not have the positive effect of kissing a woman you are attracted to.

I dont find it disgusting to kiss a woman per se, it depends on the individual, as it does with men. I actually have tried it and wasnt disgusted, it was just a kiss without all the excitement I experiance when kissing a guy I'm attracted to.
Fair enough, maybe it's different for different people.
 

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BringBackBuck said:
Jenvas1306 said:
An interessting example:
Imagine you are with your partner, whom you love deeply (or imagine such a person if youre single at the moment), and you happen to see an old couple, they are holding hands, looking at each other in that lovers way, maybe kissing decently. Isnt that sort of a cute image? doesnt it make you think of being with your partner for that long time and still having so much love for each other?

If your reaction is different based on that couple being a man and a woman, two women or two men, then society might have brain washed you.
My reaction would be different for those things, but that's OK.

I would prefer to see two women making out, or a guy and a girl, than two guys making out. That's just preference.
Back to your example:
What if the man was 82, and the girl 19? The man tiny and the woman morbidly obese? One guy a wealthy businessman and his partner a homeless bum? One person obviously mentally handicapped and the other not?

Would your reaction be different to these scenarios? Or has society brain washed you too?
why is he wealthy but she looks homeless? If they are together, why doesnt he care for her?
in this example, imagining to be in the shoes of the wealthy guy. I would be kissing a probably unwashed woman, which I would find disgusting, if its the case at all. thats personal, not depending on gender. with him, it depends on what kind of guy he is, but his wealth is probably not disgusting.

I am sure more attracted to men of my age, a difference of so many decades wouldnt be for me. there is even disgust involved, I wouldnt want to make out with my father and men at his age or even older make me think of that, society has brainwashed me to not like incest...I guess? I also dont think at such an age difference they got too much in common, and there might be only one thing going on, but I dont know that for sure.

I dont really find a tiny man disgusting, lots of men are smaller than me anyways, I would wonder about other things there. My mind can be a weird place. I find morbidly obese people pretty unattractive, even potentially disgusting, that is sure a mixture of personal prefferences and social indoctrination, but also the knowledge about how unhealthy it is, like with people who are tanned like a fried chicken.

Mentally handicapped hmm? thats tuogh and really depends on the individual. I know that people with downssyndrome are often the most friendly and open hearted people you can find, and I sure find those traits attractive, but I also value it highly to be on one intelectual level with my partner.

so, you see, I tend to analyze my initial reaction and I'm certainly not a blank slate, but I try to make sure that my thought process is not based on something compleetly irrational.
 

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Daffy F said:
101flyboy said:
Projective disgust, boys and girls, in a nutshell.
Alright I read most of your posts and I understand what you're saying but honestly if you want people to see your point of view you need to stop being so hostile. [/protip]
Actually, I think he was doing alright, until this post:

101flyboy said:
You indirectly just compared homosexuality to incest.
You lost me there
 

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BringBackBuck said:
Jenvas1306 said:
An interessting example:
Imagine you are with your partner, whom you love deeply (or imagine such a person if youre single at the moment), and you happen to see an old couple, they are holding hands, looking at each other in that lovers way, maybe kissing decently. Isnt that sort of a cute image? doesnt it make you think of being with your partner for that long time and still having so much love for each other?

If your reaction is different based on that couple being a man and a woman, two women or two men, then society might have brain washed you.
My reaction would be different for those things, but that's OK.

I would prefer to see two women making out, or a guy and a girl, than two guys making out. That's just preference.
Back to your example:
What if the man was 82, and the girl 19? The man tiny and the woman morbidly obese? One guy a wealthy businessman and his partner a homeless bum? One person obviously mentally handicapped and the other not?

Would your reaction be different to these scenarios? Or has society brain washed you too?
Every single theoretical situation you just gave, there is a quantifiable reason for having a bias against these things. Quantifiable, doesn't necessarily mean justifiable. But quantifiable.

With that being said, an attractive older couple I don't see people considering disgusting; more like beautiful and reveling the fact they look good for their ages. People are naturally drawn to things that are attractive/they find attractive, that's just how it is. An attractive overweight individual is going to be considered attractive regardless of their weight as long as they aren't completely obese (aka Adele, Queen Latifah).

Preferences are based on taste. The taste of most persons are centralized around what/who they find appealing, and attractive. What they get a benefit from.

However, just because something isn't in your preference range does not mean that thing is disgusting, unnatural or wrong. It's those mentalities that are largely socially/culturally constructed. And what society as a whole considers attractive vs not attractive from a taste point of view is also largely social/cultural constructs. Because tastes can and do change from individual to individual as they go through life.
 

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generals3 said:
101flyboy said:
Not frenching. French kissing/making out/whatever you want to call it. That's a different situation. We're talking about an innocent kiss. Maybe a bit a tongue, maybe not, all in all, an innocent kiss that occurs between a man and woman and two women daily. Not outright frenching. Basic affection. Affection done out of love. Not sexualized. Turning an innocent kiss into a sexualized incident actually is more or less a perfect example of projective disgust, not saying you did that.
Well I think we have had a communication issue here. I have always used the word frenching because that is what i had in mind. I wouldn't find two guys showing less explicit signs of affections "disgusting", maybe 'weird' but not something that would make want to look the other way.
Maybe we do have a communication issue haha. I was going by what the OP said where he said basic displays of affection between two guys bothered him. Check his post. He said holding hands bothered him into basically having convulsions. And basic kissing he couldn't handle at all. Even the inference of it he can't seemingly handle.

Now, if we were talking about deep kissing, that's sexual. That's understandable, you wouldn't want to see two guys deep kissing because you wouldn't personally want to see two guys tearing into each other. Your mind will undoutedly go to sex because deep kissing is an aggressive act. It's a lustful act. I don't want to see two women deep kissing, I don't find it disgusting. But I don't want to see it. That's more of a sexuality thing, than a taste thing.

I'm not one of those anti-PDA types but deep kissing of any kind bothers me in public because it's inconsiderate and rude. But a couple of any gender combination showing some affection that doesn't cross the proverbial line of respect shouldn't be classified as disgusting for expressing their love for one another.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
For the record, I voted for the SPD. If I had any interest in preventing homosexuality from becoming tolerated my vote would have gone to the CDU or even the aforementioned NPD.

I made this extremely obvious. But you missed it, because you're so desperately trying to paint me as a homophobic ****. What I actually post in this thread is irrelevant to you, because you see what you want to see.
CDU isnt quite a choice if you arent over 60, or so old you'd like to assure a place in heaven by voting the party that states religion in its name. you could vote FDP to make sure to support gays, as they have westerwelle, but then, hes not really that much of a politican to my liking...
jokes aside (Piraten are a joke in themselves, too easy) you will often see that those who fight intolerance tend to get aggressive a bit too easily, its just natural if you try to fight something that has often to do with people simply not wanting to know better. We are all human after all.

SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
I find the sentiment absolutely ridiculous on numerous levels. For starters, I don't really care for marriage anyway, so protecting its supposed sancity isn't an interest of mine. Second, I do not think marriage is something the state or church should have any hand in. Third, I have no problem with two men or two woman getting married.
how can you not care for marriage? It includes legal options you wouldnt otherwise have, like making decissions if your partner cant (as in medical decissions). It also offers advantages in job and taxes and you are able to adopt, for example.

cant help it, but I think I'm forgetting something important about marriage...
 

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Jenvas1306 said:
so, you see, I tend to analyze my initial reaction and I'm certainly not a blank slate, but I try to make sure that my thought process is not based on something compleetly irrational.
I guess that was my point. Initial reactions can often be way off the mark. In the example where one person was handicapped, my initial reaction would be: Is he taking advantage of her? How does that relationship work with such an imbalance? That's a bit gross that he would want to make out with her, etc.
If I then met this couple and it turns out that they had been together for 20 years until his wife had a stroke and with her diminished mental capacity is still capable of being in love with her husband, and he still cares for her and loves her deeply, than I would think "man I was a bit of a dick for thinking their relationship was odd when I first saw them".

Maybe that's what some of the people posting here have. For many people they have very limited exposure to the sight of two guys making out. Maybe their initial reaction to 2 dudes making out is based on all sorts of irrational and stupid reasons, and then if they sat down and had a beer with those 2 guys and realised they were a couple of really nice people they would come to the same conclusion of: "man I was a bit of a dick for thinking their relationship was odd when I first saw them".
 

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101flyboy said:
disgruntledgamer said:
You're not a homophobic. I get the same feeling when I see 2 men kissing to, I also get the same feeling when I see my parents kiss as well doesn't mean anything.
You indirectly just compared homosexuality to incest.
Jeez. No. Just no.

He is comparing his attraction to men as being about the same as his attraction his parents. And since both cases are uncomfortable because of a lack of attraction, it's a pretty okay analogy.
It would also work with any other individuals he's completely unattracted to, but since everyone is attracted to different things it could be confusing, and since it may involve pointing out a certain group of individuals it could be offensive. Parents are unoffensive and none-confusing. It's a good analogy.

I can't believe I just typed that post explaining how he is NOT comparing homosexuality to incest.