What's so "Progressive" About Progressive Metal?

[TerraMGP]

Prog-metal's a fairly broad genre (& as an aside in my opinion Porcelain Heart is nowhere near the best, or most typical, of Opeth songs - try something off Ghost Reveries). Try listening to Isis, also prog/post-metal but quite dissimilar.

Most prog also doesn't stand as well as a single vs. a full album.

That can be said of Prog Rock as well. We have mentioned Pink Floyd in here,and they are known to make concept albums. please elaborate your point.

Also, Metal is a huge genre with a distribuition of good and bad genres as many seem fit. No one subgenre is so diversified that it is a whole other genre in itself.

Frankly other than Animals and ummagumma Floyde kinda dragged their feet. some good albums, good musicians, but still overrated for the less profound work (The wall was ok, but I would consider it the FF7 of progressive rock))

But still my own feelings on Floyde aside I would say that Progressive metal bands usually do quite well. Some I don't like, but then I tend to like Progressive/power/folk metal as opposed to say most normal Metal. G&R is good, Metallica is ok, but I like to have that ring of classical and folk to my metal.

 

[Not Good]

Frankly other than Animals and ummagumma Floyde kinda dragged their feet. some good albums, good musicians, but still overrated for the less profound work (The wall was ok, but I would consider it the FF7 of progressive rock))

But still my own feelings on Floyde aside I would say that Progressive metal bands usually do quite well. Some I don't like, but then I tend to like Progressive/power/folk metal as opposed to say most normal Metal. G&R is good, Metallica is ok, but I like to have that ring of classical and folk to my metal.

Power metal? Really?

*facepalm*

 

[Techne]

Lol, I love Darkthrone & Dissection, & personally I think Dreamtheater & Nightwish are overhyped rubbish - but I'm surprised if you have any taste in black metal that you dislike Opeth, particularly oooh... 90% of their stuff.

Forgive me, I jumped in with my two penn'orth without reading the whole thread.

 

[Not Good]

Lol, I love Darkthrone & Dissection, & personally I think Dreamtheater & Nightwish are overhyped rubbish - but I'm surprised if you have any taste in black metal that you dislike Opeth, particularly oooh... 90% of their stuff.

Forgive me, I jumped in with my two penn'orth without reading the whole thread.

That's fine I enjoy presenting my own opinion before it's biased by others anyway.

I think that I chose the wrong song. Suggest me another one.

 

[TerraMGP]

Frankly other than Animals and ummagumma Floyde kinda dragged their feet. some good albums, good musicians, but still overrated for the less profound work (The wall was ok, but I would consider it the FF7 of progressive rock))

But still my own feelings on Floyde aside I would say that Progressive metal bands usually do quite well. Some I don't like, but then I tend to like Progressive/power/folk metal as opposed to say most normal Metal. G&R is good, Metallica is ok, but I like to have that ring of classical and folk to my metal.

Power metal? Really?

*facepalm*

I could say the same about Death metal and black metal. Hell i could even say the same about most speed metal. Then again I enjoy things that are a bit more melodic, hence my love of Folk music (BUY RAISING SANDS!). In the end I just like the Musical complexity and beauty and power and imagery and emotion of Bands like Guardian and Maiden and Tyr

And I think Nightwish is quite good.

 

[Not Good]

I could say the same about Death metal and black metal. Hell i could even say the same about most speed metal. Then again I enjoy things that are a bit more melodic, hence my love of Folk music (BUY RAISING SANDS!). In the end I just like the Musical complexity and beauty and power and imagery and emotion of Bands like Guardian and Maiden and Tyr

And I think Nightwish is quite good.

You enjoy natural melodic tones that you would often find in classical music. But there is more to melodic than just what the harmonic minor shows. There are augmented and diminished melodies as well as the major and minor ones. And by that standard a good amount of Death Metal and Black Metal has explored vastly these melodies and the end result?

The Voice of the Soul [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd4q0Xx-u1Y]
and
Being in the Grip of Winter [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubinPwK8VNc]

 

[TerraMGP]

I could say the same about Death metal and black metal. Hell i could even say the same about most speed metal. Then again I enjoy things that are a bit more melodic, hence my love of Folk music (BUY RAISING SANDS!). In the end I just like the Musical complexity and beauty and power and imagery and emotion of Bands like Guardian and Maiden and Tyr

And I think Nightwish is quite good.

You enjoy natural melodic tones that you would often find in classical music. But there is more to melodic than just what the harmonic minor shows. There are augmented and diminished melodies as well as the major and minor ones. And by that standard a good amount of Death Metal and Black Metal has explored vastly these melodies and the end result?

The Voice of the Soul [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd4q0Xx-u1Y]
and
Being in the Grip of Winter [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubinPwK8VNc]

First one I admit I enjoyed, Second, not at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M1tCQpHpt0

I think you might enjoy this though. Your right though that death metal need not be bad musically, however it just does not strike my fancy.

 

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First one I admit I enjoyed, Second, not at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M1tCQpHpt0

I think you might enjoy this though. Your right though that death metal need not be bad musically, however it just does not strike my fancy.

Okay, what the hell was with the AMV.

 

[TerraMGP]

First one I admit I enjoyed, Second, not at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M1tCQpHpt0

I think you might enjoy this though. Your right though that death metal need not be bad musically, however it just does not strike my fancy.

Okay, what the hell was with the AMV.

First instance of the song on youtube. Not that bad for an AMV honestly. Still a wonderful song though.

and Eggo, mind telling me WHY you feel its regressive?

 

[Not Good]

Progressive metal and rock is hilariously regressive to the degree where the irony of it all is more pathetic than hilarious.

It's still really hilarious though.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes this.

Kudos, Guess what you get:

Spoiler: A Cupon

 

[Not Good]

First one I admit I enjoyed, Second, not at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M1tCQpHpt0

I think you might enjoy this though. Your right though that death metal need not be bad musically, however it just does not strike my fancy.

Okay, what the hell was with the AMV.

First instance of the song on youtube. Not that bad for an AMV honestly. Still a wonderful song though.

It's an AMV. The average Otaku's taste in music is so bad a dog wouldn't even take a crap on it. The song was like a bottle of tube cheeze. Either way neither had to do with the topic at hand so why are you posting it?

 

[Alex_P]

Frankly other than Animals and ummagumma Floyde kinda dragged their feet. some good albums, good musicians, but still overrated for the less profound work (The wall was ok, but I would consider it the FF7 of progressive rock))

Yeah, The Wall is pretty lame, in my opinion. I adore Animals, though -- mostly for Dogs.

Nowadays prog-rock stuff comes off as a "you had to be there" kind of thing. I wasn't alive in the 70s and early 80s, so, with the exception of Pink Floyd's delightful avoidance of the chorus (a blessing after listening to radio-station rock), nothing about progressive rock has ever really felt novel to me.

But, anyway, back to your metal...

-- Alex

 

[TerraMGP]

Progressive metal and rock is hilariously regressive to the degree where the irony of it all is more pathetic than hilarious.

It's still really hilarious though.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes this.

Kudos, Guess what you get:

Spoiler: A Cupon

Because that is progressive metal, and its good.

and Eggo, mind telling me WHY you feel its regressive?

Ever hear that quote by Louis Armstrong? The one where he responds to a reporter who is the complete opposite of hip asking him what jazz is?

Yeah, it's just like that.

Progressive rock and metal are just more horrid tripe covered in the false high art pretensions of rockism trying to ape the true talent, musicality, and subtlety found in actual art music.

I'd post music which is actually progressive, but none of it features masturbatory solos by pseudo-musicians in cheesy time signatures and what you think are complex chord progressions.

So it would be a waste of everyone's time.

In other words You feel its snobby to actually try and produce somethign new and try something diffrent that may sound good and try to make an art out of something.

Thats.... I think thats a whole new level of snobby and pompous right there. Look i don't want this to turn into some sort of flame war or something. Rock and metal can be and in fact are art when done right. If you don't think so, well, If it helps you sleep at night don't think so.

 

[Not Good]

Well shit doesn't become art until a bunch of people find it innovative. And I mean full, unbiased, educated opinions. Not a bunch of fanbois.

 

[TerraMGP]

Well shit doesn't become art until a bunch of people find it innovative. And I mean full, unbiased, educated opinions. Not a bunch of fanbois.

Because educated people really pull the fanboi card.

Frankly I have no respect for your opinion at this point. I don't feel that I have anything to prove to you and if you want me to talk about educated people who think power/progressive metal are good well I have a friend studying music and my dad whos been in bands most of his life and for a while ran a studio out of the basement (my room in high school) And i am willing to bet I could find alot of other people as well if I was not so cloistered.

You don't like it? fine. At this point your simply bashing something you don't enjoy though and with no other reason than you don't like it. Justify it how you like, thats what it boils down to.

oh and that 'bigoted against anime 'AMVs = bad music' crap. I would bet you money that bands you like have amvs made of them, Hell I know of a guns and roses FF9 AMV.

 

[Not Good]

Well shit doesn't become art until a bunch of people find it innovative. And I mean full, unbiased, educated opinions. Not a bunch of fanbois.

Because educated people really pull the fanboi card.

Frankly I have no respect for your opinion at this point. I don't feel that I have anything to prove to you and if you want me to talk about educated people who think power/progressive metal are good well I have a friend studying music and my dad whos been in bands most of his life and for a while ran a studio out of the basement (my room in high school) And i am willing to bet I could find alot of other people as well if I was not so cloistered.

You don't like it? fine. At this point your simply bashing something you don't enjoy though and with no other reason than you don't like it. Justify it how you like, thats what it boils down to.

I feel the fanboy card is a valid response, as it appears to me that pretty much every fan of these bands is one.

Go ahead. Ask your parents what they think. I'd like to see what they say.

 

[TerraMGP]

I already know my dad likes it.

but frankly it doesn't matter. You want to pretend to be some 'highly educated music expert who can shun other people for their views based on frankly arbitrary information and personal feelings? fine.

I Just passed my last class to get my Electronics Engineering Degree today. I don't really think I need your validation as to being 'educated' or not.

 

[Not Good]

I already know my dad likes it.

but frankly it doesn't matter. You want to pretend to be some 'highly educated music expert who can shun other people for their views based on frankly arbitrary information and personal feelings? fine.

I Just passed my last class to get my Electronics Engineering Degree today. I don't really think I need your validation as to being 'educated' or not.

Wait, what does Electronics engineering have to do with anything about music?