What's wrong with PC gamers?
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In my experience, PC gamers tend to be more intelligent and tech-savvy than their console counterparts. That's not always true, of course, but it certainly seems to be the majority of the time. I don't think of people as "console 'tards" unless they're those Halo-playing frat fucks, but I do think that the PC is a superior gaming platform due to its versatility of input devices, potential for customisation (hardware and software), and potential for better graphics, sound, etc. PC games in general tend to be much more complex and challenging because they are often made with a different goal and philosophy, and while I enjoy a bit of stupid fun on occasion, I really only get a fulfilling game experience out of something lengthy that can test my skills and truly engage me.
Every single PC gamer friend of mine has an XB-360 as well. I rarely find a pc gamer who is such an idiot as to segregate him/herself from so many gaming opportunities just to prove a point. Yes, the PC is versatile but how many times can you say you have played multiplayer without an internet connection on your PC?
If certain people really need to be PC zealots then fair game to them, all they are doing is missing out on games that are console release only. Yes, sometimes they may appear on PC's, but are you willing to wait 1-2 years to get a PC port thats half assed ~(ie resident evil 4)
I rest my case
P.S im a proud PC owner too
If certain people really need to be PC zealots then fair game to them, all they are doing is missing out on games that are console release only. Yes, sometimes they may appear on PC's, but are you willing to wait 1-2 years to get a PC port thats half assed ~(ie resident evil 4)
I rest my case
P.S im a proud PC owner too
True. Very true.zen5887 post=18.74329.829870 said:
It's not all PC gamers that are supremacists (but a lot of them are). I don't know why they're like that, but it's just stupid.
It's not that hard to understand. I've been playing PC games more and more often lately and whenever I try to go back to consoles, they increasingly strike me as the retarded cousins of gaming you want to keep hidden in the basement. Console games just feel clunky and unintuitive for me a good majority of the time, unpolished and lacking sophistication. Obviously it's because my ideas of "sophistication" and "polish" differ from other people's, but it's definitely not hard to see why someone would be drawn to PC gaming and reject console gaming.Lord Krunk post=18.74329.830722 said:
I love numbers in gaming, I love stats, I love customisation, I love playing with Tetris inventory screens, I love redundant features, I love control customisation, I love precision input with a mouse, I love point-and-click and the ease of use it brings, I love mods, I love being able to play online for free, I love sitting in my computer chair over my keyboard, I love how PCs are multi-purpose devices, I love being able to browse the Internet and game at the same time on the same device, and I love many things more about PCs that separate them from consoles.
No, I stand by the fact that it's stupid.searanox post=18.74329.830727 said:
I play both consoles and PC games, and while PCs are generally better for graphics, consoles win for gameplay. This is especially prominent in FPSes, where PCs, while fun and pretty, just don't quite match up to the feel of consoles.
Mind you, consoles are NOT for the RTS.
You're only saying that because you keep forgetting where the sentries are.Lord Krunk post=9.74329.830730 said:
A PC gamer who prefers shooters on consoles? That's... well, I've seen it before, but not very often. I think that console shooters are clunky, slow, overly simplified, awkward to control, and generally crap. But hey, do what you think is fun.Lord Krunk post=18.74329.830730 said:
I do think completely ignoring consoles just because they're consoles is stupid. I have a Wii, if only to play the exclusive Nintendo games, because I love Nintendo as a first party. However, the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 simply do not interest me. They don't. Period. I'm sure there's good games on them that don't come out for the PC, but most of them seem to be these days, and they're usually better on that platform as well. I figure that with the money I'm saving to spend on my preferred platform, I'm not missing all that much.
I agree with you on that last paragraph. However, the PS3 is the only console that doesn't interest me; the 360 and the Wii actually hold some market value in my eyes.searanox post=18.74329.830740 said:
As for root's comment: What? Call me an idiot, but I don't understand.
first of all, saying that only PC gamers defend their console and bash others are just ignorant, you should really read more forums if you think that, and about the Mouse/Keyboard, yeah, it is the superior controller, and im not just saying that because these last years i've been a PC gamer only, im saying that because it actually IS superior to the console ones, due to it having many more buttons and all games let you configure your controls so they suit you better.
And about the Console Tards bit;
Thats only because console gaming is so childish these days, the games are much MUCH to simple, they used to offer a challenge back in the 8-64 bit era, then Console gaming was fun and challenging, today a regular mediocre game such as Gears of War or whatever other crappy looking game is out there is just to simple, i played through Gears of War without any problem whatsoever, the only time i had a hard time was the first level, getting the weird controls down, once that was done, the game was a piece of cake, much like every other console game i've played the last 5 years.
And about the Console Tards bit;
Thats only because console gaming is so childish these days, the games are much MUCH to simple, they used to offer a challenge back in the 8-64 bit era, then Console gaming was fun and challenging, today a regular mediocre game such as Gears of War or whatever other crappy looking game is out there is just to simple, i played through Gears of War without any problem whatsoever, the only time i had a hard time was the first level, getting the weird controls down, once that was done, the game was a piece of cake, much like every other console game i've played the last 5 years.
Okay, here's why he's wrong. Here's an example of an early console controller:Fronken post=18.74329.830760 said:
And here's it's modern counterpart's controller.
The first has a grand total of 5 buttons, where the second has 11 buttons, not including the Analog stick. Yeah, that's really less complex.
As for the rest of your post, you're exactly the supremacist we're talking about. Don't deny it.
Eugh, I feel like I'm trolling. I need a shower.
That's not a very good argument. Fronken used simple as a synonym for easy, not basic. Although it would be very easy to argue that the Wii's controls are, by and large, simpler than SNES controls (probably not NES). Generally speaking, NES games WERE much more difficult than modern games, although, may I point out, not necessarily for all the right reasons.Lord Krunk post=18.74329.830766 said:
Not really a point against PCs so much as a point for consoles. It is the number one reason I prefer console gaming, I don't have to read the system requirements on new games like a calorie counter with a box of low fat cookies.nilcypher post=18.74329.830545 said:
fanboy much mr. "destoryed"? I am guessing flame + baiting there. But this brings up a good point. Less does not necessarily mean worse. Simplified design for a more specific controlling mechanism usually requires stronger design skills on the part of a developer. And I find very few modern console / PC releases to be significantly different from one another in content.johnman post=18.74329.830669 said:
People have talked about human nature being the primary reason for the Pc elitism. There is also the fact that the PC is the less media toted system which is why it is more slanted to one side. I call it the "macintosh douchebag syndrome", Macs and PCs are effectively the same in quality and usability, but mac users are hardcore about how inherently superior their system is and therefore, as consumers, they are. This is very actively encouraged by macintosh marketing (I'm a PC / I'm a mac commercials) PC gaming gets a similar treatment which is why you see a lot of the PC gaming superiority.
Some facts for you all:
While the mouse generally makes for more accuracy in the FPS gametype, it really does depend on the FPS game. Gamepads however do offer themselves as the more suitable controller for a number of other game-types, platformers for example.
If we consider the Atari 2600 as the first console then we have to accept the fact that consoles have been around longer than PCs when it comes to gaming. The Apple II series was really the first computer that was able to handle the gaming that it's console competitors were serving up.
PCs have the potential for superior everything to Consoles, and there will always be someone who pushes the boundaries to ensure these excesses can be purchased for. However that superiority is not ensured nor has it been a granted for any PC purchased.
Gaming PCs are incredibly varied in price depending on the users knowledge of the technology.
PCs have enjoyed a number of game types due to certain realities of technology (particularly connectivity and real time processing) so you will find more RTS and MMO styled titles on PC. The current gen of consoles has effectively caught up to PCs on these fronts (too bad rts popularity has been steadily decreasing over the past three years). A PC can still be easily built to exceed set console specs.
Both PC and console gaming have their benefits and flaws, neither is really inferior or superior, I guarantee for every reason you can argue focusing on one there is a reason for focusing on the other, so, for those that are doing it, chill on the subtle (sometimes not so subtle) calling out of console / PC gamers.
I do agree with you there. However, I was just providing an example of the fact that console gaming is not degenerating, unlike his comment states.Graustein post=18.74329.830769 said:
See, that seems to me to be a wholly subjective point. by which I mean to say that is a wholly subjective point. Given that, it can't be a justifiable answer to the question why PC gaming is so vehemently considered superior to consoles by PC players.Xhumed post=18.74329.830775 said:
Any answer you get is going to be a wholly subjective point. That's what an opinion is. Many people consider the mouse and keyboard a better control method, but I can't speak for them, can I?mark_n_b post=18.74329.830786 said:
Personally, I think saying "PC gamers think their platform is better that other people's" is a sweeping generalisation- besides, it's not like console users don't do the same thing, except they tend to focus on each other's consoles instead. Some games just make more sense being run on a PC, and those are the games I prefer to play, so I choose the PC as my gaming platform. I don't think its better than consoles- if I could afford one, I'd probably buy one.
It's worth pointing out that there are plenty of gamepads for PCs available. Hell, you can even use an Xbox 360 controller with a PC if you want to, and it works great. Hook it up to your HDTV and you're in business if you really want the "console experience". The whole "controllers are better for some games" argument is moot because most console games (or consoles) don't support a mouse/keyboard setup, while joypads are fully customisable and usable with any game on a PC. The only limiting factor is the games, but again, most Xbox make their way to PC in some form or other; usually the PC version is the best one, to boot.mark_n_b post=18.74329.830773 said: