Whats wrong with todays cartoons?
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I loved the old Spiderman Cartoons...no matter how hard i partied the night before i never missed it (unless i had to go to work...which made me bent) i was unaware there was a newer one, and judging by the animation and the intro, i dont think i'd like it all that much.antipunt said:
I grew up w/ the old-school Tex Avery cartoons, and even around the time the 94' Spiderman came out i was having these feeling that cartoons just are'nt what they used to be. Yes i had some favorites..EEk the Cat, Rocco's Modern Life, hell even Re-Boot (wasnt all that bad, Ghostbusters, and the list can go on for a bit...i think it has a little to do w/ age...but me and my GF babysit sometimes, and i get to catch some of the newer cartoons, and even though i never liked wrestling id take http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCuaYr4SOks over some of the new stuff they spew out for kids these days
Everything is wrong with cartoons today, the new spongebobs are crap, chowder and flapjack suck dick, and they even cancled their other crappy shows that had some appeal, but they took away Johnny Bravo, Dexter's Lab, Ed Edd Eddy, etc. Yea, humor is now downgraded to creepiness, and dick jokes, oh, how i love the human race
This is what I believe has happened. Cartoonists are trying copy Spongebob. Spongebob used to have juvenile humor, not gross or stupid. Spongebob was a child in an adult body not an idiot. Other cartoonists just think he's an idiot so they make all of their characters idiots. Two examples are Chowder, Flapjack etc.
Teen Titans was pretty original as was Avatar because they didn't treat the watchers like idiots. Even though some of the characters could act pretty juvenile it was still very entertaining in an interesting way not an "that's so stupid" way. There are very few original cartoons that are truly original and not just a little different.
Teen Titans was pretty original as was Avatar because they didn't treat the watchers like idiots. Even though some of the characters could act pretty juvenile it was still very entertaining in an interesting way not an "that's so stupid" way. There are very few original cartoons that are truly original and not just a little different.
I find the artwork to be very cheap like someone didn't even try or were on something and the entire concept is stupid I mean "us parents trust our two nine or whatever-year-olds over our near adult daughter any day of the week and anything she says about them we can ignore. "Hey mom, Phineas and Ferb are about to torch the house because they said it'd be fun! Whatever dear." Come on.Macabre9037 said:
Well, the thing is that everyone is probably going to think "his" generation of cartoons and entertainment was the best. As we get older we progressively tend to think of children's entertainment as banal, which is probably what our parents thought of our stuff. Whatever stuff is on now, is probably going to be the epitome of bad for most.
*THAT* said, I was born in 1975, and turned 15 in 1990s. This means I grew up during the 1980s with cartoons like "The Thundercats", "Silverhawks", "He-Man and The Masters Of The Universe", "The Transformers", "GI-Joe" and others. This generation of cartoons was mostly super-hero/fantasy type stuff that while pretty banal, presented characters that looked sort of like people, and a lot of action. It sparked a lot of parental criticism, and you saw articles about how people would sit down and watch cartoons and talk about how many instances of violence there were in them per minute, as well as the lack of educational content which lead to the much mocked "Knowing is half the battle" and their segements and their ilk. The fact that a lot of these cartoons were also glorified toy commercials did not help things either from an adult perspective.
It seems to me that this lead to a lot more attention being paid to children's programming, an it was actually dumbed down to the point where adults felt it was like what children SHOULD be watching. A lot of the shows people remember fondly for being exceptions (that came about after my time mostly) were ones that specifically pushed the envelope, and also got in trouble for it. I'll also say that a lot of the surrealistic artwork that they used for things like "Ren and Stimpy" and the like never really appealed to me. Though I suppose this is a matter of opinion, I know a lot of people hate the way anime is stylized the same way, even though it doesn't especially bother me.
To some extent it seemed like cartoons based on well known super-heroes were given something of a pass when it came to the standards being enforced. Spider-Man, X-men, etc... pulled off things that other shows couldn't get away with, and were on a lot of levels similar to what you would have seen in the 1980s (perhaps even pushing a bit further). However it seems that the same "concerned parents groups" caught on to that, and things have gotten a lot more banal even in that context.
I think a lot of it comes down to an adult perception of what children should be like, and what they are actually like, and want, and it causes things to rotate back and forth as something decent is created that is popular, someone freaks out, and then we see a dozen lobotimized shows show up for a while, followed by another brief decent period.
Oh... and I could not stand "The Grim Adventures Of Billy and Mandy". The premise was actually cute, but the artwork was horrible IMO, and I thought every gag they had was pretty predictable (or dumb). Some would say that's the point, but well... tastes vary.
But then again there I go... I'm another one who things the cartoons of my day were the best, and that "Thundercats" was probably the greatest children's cartoon that will ever be.
*THAT* said, I was born in 1975, and turned 15 in 1990s. This means I grew up during the 1980s with cartoons like "The Thundercats", "Silverhawks", "He-Man and The Masters Of The Universe", "The Transformers", "GI-Joe" and others. This generation of cartoons was mostly super-hero/fantasy type stuff that while pretty banal, presented characters that looked sort of like people, and a lot of action. It sparked a lot of parental criticism, and you saw articles about how people would sit down and watch cartoons and talk about how many instances of violence there were in them per minute, as well as the lack of educational content which lead to the much mocked "Knowing is half the battle" and their segements and their ilk. The fact that a lot of these cartoons were also glorified toy commercials did not help things either from an adult perspective.
It seems to me that this lead to a lot more attention being paid to children's programming, an it was actually dumbed down to the point where adults felt it was like what children SHOULD be watching. A lot of the shows people remember fondly for being exceptions (that came about after my time mostly) were ones that specifically pushed the envelope, and also got in trouble for it. I'll also say that a lot of the surrealistic artwork that they used for things like "Ren and Stimpy" and the like never really appealed to me. Though I suppose this is a matter of opinion, I know a lot of people hate the way anime is stylized the same way, even though it doesn't especially bother me.
To some extent it seemed like cartoons based on well known super-heroes were given something of a pass when it came to the standards being enforced. Spider-Man, X-men, etc... pulled off things that other shows couldn't get away with, and were on a lot of levels similar to what you would have seen in the 1980s (perhaps even pushing a bit further). However it seems that the same "concerned parents groups" caught on to that, and things have gotten a lot more banal even in that context.
I think a lot of it comes down to an adult perception of what children should be like, and what they are actually like, and want, and it causes things to rotate back and forth as something decent is created that is popular, someone freaks out, and then we see a dozen lobotimized shows show up for a while, followed by another brief decent period.
Oh... and I could not stand "The Grim Adventures Of Billy and Mandy". The premise was actually cute, but the artwork was horrible IMO, and I thought every gag they had was pretty predictable (or dumb). Some would say that's the point, but well... tastes vary.
But then again there I go... I'm another one who things the cartoons of my day were the best, and that "Thundercats" was probably the greatest children's cartoon that will ever be.
While I think too many cartoons are going down the "Anime Inspired" artistic route there is still a lot of good stuff being made. Let's not kid ourselves there was, and always shall be, a whole lot of crap kids shows on TV.
I do love that song. True story I actually heard it on the Radio a few months ago. Was it on a radio show that usually caters to kids from the 90s? No it was on God Damn BBC Radio 4 in the intro to a program on sociology. I could still remember most of the words, but got lost near the end.RatRace123 said:
And another note. I saw one of those Flapjack shorts in between commercials and found it rather disturbing that the main character is gay, the second character is a retard, and that whale is a hermaphrodite. The whole artwork made me sick.
Bring back Toonami and all the older cartoon cartoons. It all started to drop right around 2003 when Miguzi was added on, and Dexter should have stopped about halfway before new artists took over. Nowadays I just watch the shows I've recorded since most cartoons that are on the channels are just junk. Rugrats also should have quit before doing the "all grown up" phase, hopping on the teeny bandwagon was a waste.
Bring back Toonami and all the older cartoon cartoons. It all started to drop right around 2003 when Miguzi was added on, and Dexter should have stopped about halfway before new artists took over. Nowadays I just watch the shows I've recorded since most cartoons that are on the channels are just junk. Rugrats also should have quit before doing the "all grown up" phase, hopping on the teeny bandwagon was a waste.
Actually, I don't really think it's a generation thing. I've known Looney Tunes fans that quite enjoyed Animaniacs. Cartoon quality has varied greatly. Young children will get into things that are, quite frankly, incredibly stupid, so sometimes there're a whole slew of cartoons designed to capitalize on that. I'm a bit older than most of the people here, so most of the cartoons I grew up with were from the 80s... and they sucked. Transformers was probably the best of them, but if you compare the original to cartoons from the 90s it's actually pretty mediocre. Then you have things like He-Man and GI Joe. Wow those are awful. Really, almost nobody likes cartoons from the 60s-80s. They were just generally bad.Skullkid4187 said:
(Well, okay, there are a few people that like cartoons from the 80s, mostly Transformers and stuff from the late 80s when it was starting to get better though. I've still never even met anyone that liked cartoons from the 60s or 70s.)
Cartoons in America seem to go in cycles like this, and right now we're getting really crappy stuff, but there'll be good ones again eventually.
They lack charm, creativity, humor, good writing, good writers, good staff, good animators, good producers, and anything else that would possibly make them good.
Oh, and the dude who was making Cartoonnetwork awesome was replaced in like 2008 because people are idiots. And then he changed the whole network because HE'S an idiot.
Oh, and the dude who was making Cartoonnetwork awesome was replaced in like 2008 because people are idiots. And then he changed the whole network because HE'S an idiot.
This thread brings back so many memories. I couldn't tell you how many times I watched this video trying to memorize everything.
Oh fuck! (fetal position) That episode scarred me for life, but I still enjoy that show.Irridium said:
This is that episode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmeITUWkSJA (shudders)
Oh god, yes! Teen Titans was amazing. I was actually sad when Terra ate it in that storyline. She was the only girl Beast Boy could get...MelasZepheos said:
Anyway, I agree. Cartoons these days are crap.
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