since i'm not 13, i'm not really into punk anymore, but i do still love the only band that matters, The Clash.
What rational do you have for not considering punk a genre?NBSRDan said:Sum 41, though I don't consider punk a genre.
I'm going to assume that you were kidding about the Jonas Brothers being punk because that's not even close to accurate.dkuch said:Jonas Brothers! How can you not go wrong with music like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNPg2j4B1r4&feature=email
OT: Pixies, Rage Against the Machines, Green Day (I think they are punk).
Actually, the song 'savior' was regarded as a song that really 'goes back to their punk roots'. I love them, 'Give it all' and 'heaven knows' are great punk songs. They are still regarded as punk by alot of places actually.2012 Wont Happen said:I like Rise Against. I wouldn't call them punk, but I wouldn't call them pop punk either. I looked it up once and apparently they're technically considered "melodic hardcore". I just sorta lump them in the category of good music that has punk influence.Avaholic03 said:Bad Religion and Rise Against (if they still count as punk...their new stuff doesn't sound like it, but I still like them).
Something about anti-flag doesn't sit well with me. I only like a select few of their songs.
As far as I can surmise, punk is simply rock with certain singer voices. A minute difference like that should not be distinguished using such a broad term as "genre". More like 'style', or 'band'.2012 Wont Happen said:What rational do you have for not considering punk a genre?NBSRDan said:Sum 41, though I don't consider punk a genre.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------MelziGurl said:I don't really have a favourite so:
Green Day
Paramore
MCR
Rise Against
AFI
Sugarcult
Blink 182
Jimmy Eat World
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
Taking Back Sunday
A Day To Remember
Escape The Fate
I will have a proper introduction to new bands at Soundwave next year![]()
I have never really listened to old school punk (as we all know things change, especially music), but I'm just going off what they stock in the punk section of the music store (they don't list as 'pop punk' or 'punk rock' etc just punk. Other than that, I don't really pay attention to genre and they are just favourite bands in the end. The only old school music I grew up with was a mix of ABBA, Paul McCartney, Kiss, ACDC and the like. I listen to just about anything so genre really doesn't mean much. Though I need to ask, while your rant didn't phase me in the slightest, what has made you so agitated? At least, you seem agitated about something on a personal level.keithdrover said:I'm sorry, but---------------------------------------------------------------------------------MelziGurl said:I don't really have a favourite so:
Green Day
Paramore
MCR
Rise Against
AFI
Sugarcult
Blink 182
Jimmy Eat World
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
Taking Back Sunday
A Day To Remember
Escape The Fate
I will have a proper introduction to new bands at Soundwave next year![]()
I'm sorry, my days of being a musical 'elitist' are long gone, but to read you label all of those bands as something anywhere NEAR 'punk' is something that boggles my mind. Is that really what punk has turned into? I could see you saying Rise Against has a punk sound about them, and Green Day has always been a great 'pop punk' band that started out in a true pop punk way, but the rest, really? I mean, I was in a band called New Year's Day (if you knew of us and hated us, just keep it to yourself please, it's safe to say I wasn't a songwriter, and just had fun living out a rock dream) our biggest achievement was getting on the Saint's Row soundtrack - woohoo!! Being a gamer, that actually meant more to me than any other good thing we did) until I quit about a year ago, and we toured with Red Jumpsuit Apparatus (ugh), and toured on warped tour (ugh) with Escape the Fate, paramore, Rise Against, MCR, etc. and played shows with Sugarcult, Jimmy Eat World, and almost all the rest you mentioned, and I guess what I'm getting at is that they (nor us) could have been further away from 'punk' than musically possible? We were completely self-funded, although we did have help with gas money to tour from our label, but that's it, and it was a sham of a label at that, we went broke paying for our own album, slept in a old smelly tour van every night for months on end for years, never made a dime, etc,, and I'd still never come close to calling us 'punk,' even though we did have that D.I.Y. ethic. To each their own though, so whatever makes you happy, but know that there is ZERO that is ethically punk about ANY of the bands you mentioned, if we're truly discussing punk bands here. Most of the bands you mentioned are either pampered puppets of corporations, or the actual creations of the corporations themselves to make money, and this I do not know from hearsay, I know because of touring for months with them, watching them yell at the warped tour cooks for not having things cooked well enough, watchin them ignore fans to go f#*$k a girl they don't know the name of, watching these bands with 'rebellious messages' stroll out of their pampered tour bus with white powder still on their nose, all from our tiny view from our smelly van until they finally graced the crowd they ultimately despised 5 minutes before their set started, only to kick their guitar/drum techs (and vocal auto-tune/backing vocal track (lip sync) techs - 1/2 of all your warped tour 'punk' bands) off stage like pieces of garbage, only to grumble back to the tour bus while their disrespected staff carried their amps offstage and into the trailers for their lazy asses. And for what? Shit music played by people who couldn't care less about what they're playing/singing about as long as it sells shirts of gets them laid.
Maybe I'm just old and have 'punk' classified the wrong/old ways I guess... with all these new bands... when the real punk bands I remember in my mind like crass, sex pistols, the clash, propagandhi... heck, even the Vandals and nofx to some extent exist/existed, I just can't stomach hearing people think that what they're listening to is edgy, or punk, or something it's certainly not because of a glorious hollywood-esque outer shell.
I'll get off my high horse now, but if this was a conversation about favorite punk bands, I just couldn't keep my mouth closed on that one. Haha. Sorry guys (and girls). Had to vent on that one!!
MelziGurl said:I have never really listened to old school punk (as we all know things change, especially music), but I'm just going off what they stock in the punk section of the music store (they don't list as 'pop punk' or 'punk rock' etc just punk. Other than that, I don't really pay attention to genre and they are just favourite bands in the end. The only old school music I grew up with was a mix of ABBA, Paul McCartney, Kiss, ACDC and the like. I listen to just about anything so genre really doesn't mean much. Though I need to ask, while your rant didn't phase me in the slightest, what has made you so agitated? At least, you seem agitated about something on a personal level.keithdrover said:I'm sorry, but---------------------------------------------------------------------------------MelziGurl said:I don't really have a favourite so:
Green Day
Paramore
MCR
Rise Against
AFI
Sugarcult
Blink 182
Jimmy Eat World
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
Taking Back Sunday
A Day To Remember
Escape The Fate
I will have a proper introduction to new bands at Soundwave next year![]()
I'm sorry, my days of being a musical 'elitist' are long gone, but to read you label all of those bands as something anywhere NEAR 'punk' is something that boggles my mind. Is that really what punk has turned into? I could see you saying Rise Against has a punk sound about them, and Green Day has always been a great 'pop punk' band that started out in a true pop punk way, but the rest, really? I mean, I was in a band called New Year's Day (if you knew of us and hated us, just keep it to yourself please, it's safe to say I wasn't a songwriter, and just had fun living out a rock dream) our biggest achievement was getting on the Saint's Row soundtrack - woohoo!! Being a gamer, that actually meant more to me than any other good thing we did) until I quit about a year ago, and we toured with Red Jumpsuit Apparatus (ugh), and toured on warped tour (ugh) with Escape the Fate, paramore, Rise Against, MCR, etc. and played shows with Sugarcult, Jimmy Eat World, and almost all the rest you mentioned, and I guess what I'm getting at is that they (nor us) could have been further away from 'punk' than musically possible? We were completely self-funded, although we did have help with gas money to tour from our label, but that's it, and it was a sham of a label at that, we went broke paying for our own album, slept in a old smelly tour van every night for months on end for years, never made a dime, etc,, and I'd still never come close to calling us 'punk,' even though we did have that D.I.Y. ethic. To each their own though, so whatever makes you happy, but know that there is ZERO that is ethically punk about ANY of the bands you mentioned, if we're truly discussing punk bands here. Most of the bands you mentioned are either pampered puppets of corporations, or the actual creations of the corporations themselves to make money, and this I do not know from hearsay, I know because of touring for months with them, watching them yell at the warped tour cooks for not having things cooked well enough, watchin them ignore fans to go f#*$k a girl they don't know the name of, watching these bands with 'rebellious messages' stroll out of their pampered tour bus with white powder still on their nose, all from our tiny view from our smelly van until they finally graced the crowd they ultimately despised 5 minutes before their set started, only to kick their guitar/drum techs (and vocal auto-tune/backing vocal track (lip sync) techs - 1/2 of all your warped tour 'punk' bands) off stage like pieces of garbage, only to grumble back to the tour bus while their disrespected staff carried their amps offstage and into the trailers for their lazy asses. And for what? Shit music played by people who couldn't care less about what they're playing/singing about as long as it sells shirts of gets them laid.
Maybe I'm just old and have 'punk' classified the wrong/old ways I guess... with all these new bands... when the real punk bands I remember in my mind like crass, sex pistols, the clash, propagandhi... heck, even the Vandals and nofx to some extent exist/existed, I just can't stomach hearing people think that what they're listening to is edgy, or punk, or something it's certainly not because of a glorious hollywood-esque outer shell.
I'll get off my high horse now, but if this was a conversation about favorite punk bands, I just couldn't keep my mouth closed on that one. Haha. Sorry guys (and girls). Had to vent on that one!!
Punk is faster, less technically advanced, and more generally anti-authority than rock. It's not a different genre really because of things it includes that rock doesn't but because of the things it intentionally leaves out.NBSRDan said:As far as I can surmise, punk is simply rock with certain singer voices. A minute difference like that should not be distinguished using such a broad term as "genre". More like 'style', or 'band'.2012 Wont Happen said:What rational do you have for not considering punk a genre?NBSRDan said:Sum 41, though I don't consider punk a genre.
Nirvana isn't punk either. Also my faves are Minor Threat, Ramones, Teen Idles, and anything with Ian Mackaye.gentleben said:The Bronx
NoFX
Dropkick Muphys
The Saints (They started punk rock. Check your facts, if you think Punk started in England you're a wanker)
Rise Against
Children Collide (I don't care what you say, they're punk)
Sleater-Kinney (despite earlier comments, they are just as much a punk band as Nirvana was, and no one disputes that)
Suicidal Tendencies FTW!timmytom1 said:Ramones ,Dead kennedys ,Cro-mags suicidal tendencies (not 100% sure they kind of walk the line between harcore and metal)