Where is the justice?

[FamoFunk]

Well, i find it fair they judged drawings of minors in sexual context as child pornografy.

Im a dad and a manga reader.

While you have your rights as a parent to that, the fact remains that no one was hurt in this process, and the law was far overstepped.

As someone with a fairly large lolicon collection, I find this to be stupidity beyond reason. Am I a pedophile because I have these images? No. I find the idea of doing something like that to an actual human under the age of 16 disgusting, consent or not.

Makes no sense. Why would you have the pictures in the first place?

What do you do with those pictures?, be hornest. No..ok.

I wank to those pictures. Why? Because I find all animated characters attractive. My lolicon archive is about 100 Megs. My entire hentai (animated porn) archive is about 10 gigs. Rei Ayanami is hot (technically lolicon since she's 14). But does this make me a pedophile? No.

Wait, what? You think it's OK to masturbate over children, real or not, it's still a child?

Technically, every image I wank to is of persons underage... because every image is less than 18 years old. This would also make the Neon Genesis Evangelion movie illegal, because Misato (Age 29) sensually kisses Shinji (Age 14). And we see Asuka's (Age 14) boobs.

I wank to animated creatures, not children. Let me make this clear: anyone who touches a real human being in THAT way who is under the age of 16 needs to be castrated. But a drawn image of a character is FAR different.

I honestly respect your opinion. And I hope you do mine, too.

Obviously it doen't feel wrong to you, but do you sometimes ever think, or thought, that masturbating to a picture of someone under 16/18 is a bit odd? Genuinally curious.

 

[Danish rage]

Well, i find it fair they judged drawings of minors in sexual context as child pornografy.

Im a dad and a manga reader.

While you have your rights as a parent to that, the fact remains that no one was hurt in this process, and the law was far overstepped.

As someone with a fairly large lolicon collection, I find this to be stupidity beyond reason. Am I a pedophile because I have these images? No. I find the idea of doing something like that to an actual human under the age of 16 disgusting, consent or not.

Makes no sense. Why would you have the pictures in the first place?

What do you do with those pictures?, be hornest. No..ok.

I wank to those pictures. Why? Because I find all animated characters attractive. My lolicon archive is about 100 Megs. My entire hentai (animated porn) archive is about 10 gigs. Rei Ayanami is hot (technically lolicon since she's 14). But does this make me a pedophile? No.

Oh...my.... ....well then, go right ahead . But when stuff like this end some of you up in jail and at the bottom of the prison food chain, don´t say society didn´t warn you.

In my mind it´s wrong on so many levels to depict children in sexual context, and fortunally im not the only one.

And your perfectly fine with what amounts to a witch hunt to put us away for owning loli art?

Sure, in my mind it´s child pornografy, try and keep that in mind please.

But it is that kind of view that creates a hostile and negative area for people like me, who do not wish to harm children, but find animated drawings arousing. It is the same argument I hear all the time that "I don't hate gays, but I don't feel they should have equal rights". It is using your morals to persecute others.

Nooo, you can go ahead and find animated pictures arousing, thats ok. It´s the child part that´s not. I just don´t understand WHY they must be of children? WHY?

Because they can be rather adorable. And WHY the fuck does it bother you? WHY do you feel personally offended at drawings that aren't even life like. WHY?

Im a dad and a member of my society that´s why. Please refrain from profanities in the future.

 

[EinTheCorgi]

Well, i find it fair they judged drawings of minors in sexual context as child pornografy.

Im a dad and a manga reader.

While you have your rights as a parent to that, the fact remains that no one was hurt in this process, and the law was far overstepped.

As someone with a fairly large lolicon collection, I find this to be stupidity beyond reason. Am I a pedophile because I have these images? No. I find the idea of doing something like that to an actual human under the age of 16 disgusting, consent or not.

Makes no sense. Why would you have the pictures in the first place?

What do you do with those pictures?, be hornest. No..ok.

I wank to those pictures. Why? Because I find all animated characters attractive. My lolicon archive is about 100 Megs. My entire hentai (animated porn) archive is about 10 gigs. Rei Ayanami is hot (technically lolicon since she's 14). But does this make me a pedophile? No.

Oh...my.... ....well then, go right ahead . But when stuff like this end some of you up in jail and at the bottom of the prison food chain, don´t say society didn´t warn you.

In my mind it´s wrong on so many levels to depict children in sexual context, and fortunally im not the only one.

And your perfectly fine with what amounts to a witch hunt to put us away for owning loli art?

Sure, in my mind it´s child pornografy, try and keep that in mind please.

But it is that kind of view that creates a hostile and negative area for people like me, who do not wish to harm children, but find animated drawings arousing. It is the same argument I hear all the time that "I don't hate gays, but I don't feel they should have equal rights". It is using your morals to persecute others.

Nooo, you can go ahead and find animated pictures arousing, thats ok. It´s the child part that´s not. I just don´t understand WHY they must be of children? WHY?

In your view, how old would this girl be?

Her age? 125. It's the Japanese art style that makes her appear to be younger than she is. Also, naked images are not allowed to show pubic hair, so the age of the characters appears even lower.

THAT my good Sir is a child. No matter what if the trivia says she 1 bazillion years old, THAT is STILL a little child.

Last time I looked at a kid there eyes didnt take up about 60% of there heads...that is not human also using your logic should we not show animals on tv mating because animals dont live as long as humans or what about when a baby zebra gets killed and eated by a lion...god forbid we see that!

 

[EinTheCorgi]

Well, i find it fair they judged drawings of minors in sexual context as child pornografy.

Im a dad and a manga reader.

While you have your rights as a parent to that, the fact remains that no one was hurt in this process, and the law was far overstepped.

As someone with a fairly large lolicon collection, I find this to be stupidity beyond reason. Am I a pedophile because I have these images? No. I find the idea of doing something like that to an actual human under the age of 16 disgusting, consent or not.

Makes no sense. Why would you have the pictures in the first place?

What do you do with those pictures?, be hornest. No..ok.

I wank to those pictures. Why? Because I find all animated characters attractive. My lolicon archive is about 100 Megs. My entire hentai (animated porn) archive is about 10 gigs. Rei Ayanami is hot (technically lolicon since she's 14). But does this make me a pedophile? No.

Oh...my.... ....well then, go right ahead . But when stuff like this end some of you up in jail and at the bottom of the prison food chain, don´t say society didn´t warn you.

In my mind it´s wrong on so many levels to depict children in sexual context, and fortunally im not the only one.

And your perfectly fine with what amounts to a witch hunt to put us away for owning loli art?

Sure, in my mind it´s child pornografy, try and keep that in mind please.

But it is that kind of view that creates a hostile and negative area for people like me, who do not wish to harm children, but find animated drawings arousing. It is the same argument I hear all the time that "I don't hate gays, but I don't feel they should have equal rights". It is using your morals to persecute others.

Nooo, you can go ahead and find animated pictures arousing, thats ok. It´s the child part that´s not. I just don´t understand WHY they must be of children? WHY?

Because they can be rather adorable. And WHY the fuck does it bother you? WHY do you feel personally offended at drawings that aren't even life like. WHY?

Im a dad and a member of my society that´s why. Please refrain from profanities in the future.

Im a father as well and I dont care and I dont see why you should...to each there own.

 

[The Lunatic]

I was hoping you would say that. This is that characters actual image from the game.


NOW how old do you think she is? Big difference. I have an image from Hustler that I would sue for this purpose normally. The woman in the picture looks like she is 15. In reality, she is 22. But the way she is shown, with overfitting clothing and shaved pubic hair makes her look younger than she actually is.

I think you're missing the point of "Depiction".

 

[Joepow]

Well, i find it fair they judged drawings of minors in sexual context as child pornografy.

Im a dad and a manga reader.

While you have your rights as a parent to that, the fact remains that no one was hurt in this process, and the law was far overstepped.

As someone with a fairly large lolicon collection, I find this to be stupidity beyond reason. Am I a pedophile because I have these images? No. I find the idea of doing something like that to an actual human under the age of 16 disgusting, consent or not.

Makes no sense. Why would you have the pictures in the first place?

What do you do with those pictures?, be hornest. No..ok.

I wank to those pictures. Why? Because I find all animated characters attractive. My lolicon archive is about 100 Megs. My entire hentai (animated porn) archive is about 10 gigs. Rei Ayanami is hot (technically lolicon since she's 14). But does this make me a pedophile? No.

Wait, what? You think it's OK to masturbate over children, real or not, it's still a child?

Technically, every image I wank to is of persons underage... because every image is less than 18 years old. This would also make the Neon Genesis Evangelion movie illegal, because Misato (Age 29) sensually kisses Shinji (Age 14). And we see Asuka's (Age 14) boobs.

I wank to animated creatures, not children. Let me make this clear: anyone who touches a real human being in THAT way who is under the age of 16 needs to be castrated. But a drawn image of a character is FAR different.

I honestly respect your opinion. And I hope you do mine, too.

Obviously it doen't feel wrong to you, but do you sometimes ever think, or thought, that masturbating to a picture of someone under 16/18 is a bit odd? Genuinally curious.

In many places in the world -in most perhaps- girls were married at the age of twelve not fifty years ago. So no, it's not odd in the least.

 

[Thaluikhain]

It's not a sexual comparison as much as an equal rights comparison. The right to look at a drawn image of a naked girl who does not exist, is being taken away, as the rights of gays and lesbians have never been given, all for no other reason than "because I believe in this".

That's true, but then that is true for any law ever created. Somebody is imposing their values on someone else, who must feel they have a right to do whatever is being banned, otherwise there'd be no need for the law.

I have an image from Hustler that I would sue for this purpose normally. The woman in the picture looks like she is 15. In reality, she is 22. But the way she is shown, with overfitting clothing and shaved pubic hair makes her look younger than she actually is.

In certain places (Australia comes to mind) that also wouldn't be allowed, at least not in off the shelf pornography, using the same logic.

Mind you, they also legislate about the kinds of labias women in porn mags can have, and as there are many, many morons who confuse porn with reality, alot of unneccesary labiaplasty takes place.

In many places in the world -in most perhaps- girls were married at the age of twelve not fifty years ago. So no, it's not odd in the least.

The obvious counterpoint to that is a list of all sorts of things that used to be permissable, which aren't now.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Well, i find it fair they judged drawings of minors in sexual context as child pornografy.

Im a dad and a manga reader.

While you have your rights as a parent to that, the fact remains that no one was hurt in this process, and the law was far overstepped.

As someone with a fairly large lolicon collection, I find this to be stupidity beyond reason. Am I a pedophile because I have these images? No. I find the idea of doing something like that to an actual human under the age of 16 disgusting, consent or not.

Makes no sense. Why would you have the pictures in the first place?

What do you do with those pictures?, be hornest. No..ok.

I wank to those pictures. Why? Because I find all animated characters attractive. My lolicon archive is about 100 Megs. My entire hentai (animated porn) archive is about 10 gigs. Rei Ayanami is hot (technically lolicon since she's 14). But does this make me a pedophile? No.

Oh...my.... ....well then, go right ahead . But when stuff like this end some of you up in jail and at the bottom of the prison food chain, don´t say society didn´t warn you.

In my mind it´s wrong on so many levels to depict children in sexual context, and fortunally im not the only one.

And your perfectly fine with what amounts to a witch hunt to put us away for owning loli art?

Sure, in my mind it´s child pornografy, try and keep that in mind please.

But it is that kind of view that creates a hostile and negative area for people like me, who do not wish to harm children, but find animated drawings arousing. It is the same argument I hear all the time that "I don't hate gays, but I don't feel they should have equal rights". It is using your morals to persecute others.

Nooo, you can go ahead and find animated pictures arousing, thats ok. It´s the child part that´s not. I just don´t understand WHY they must be of children? WHY?

Because they can be rather adorable. And WHY the fuck does it bother you? WHY do you feel personally offended at drawings that aren't even life like. WHY?

Im a dad and a member of my society that´s why. Please refrain from profanities in the future.

You're implying that "society" is right and has some sort of moral high ground, which it doesn't. Honestly, saying lolicon=pedophilia is like saying furry=bestiality. You want to arrest them, too? And don't warn me about my language. I'm not some child you are lecturing.

 

[Danish rage]

Well, i find it fair they judged drawings of minors in sexual context as child pornografy.

Im a dad and a manga reader.

While you have your rights as a parent to that, the fact remains that no one was hurt in this process, and the law was far overstepped.

As someone with a fairly large lolicon collection, I find this to be stupidity beyond reason. Am I a pedophile because I have these images? No. I find the idea of doing something like that to an actual human under the age of 16 disgusting, consent or not.

Makes no sense. Why would you have the pictures in the first place?

What do you do with those pictures?, be hornest. No..ok.

I wank to those pictures. Why? Because I find all animated characters attractive. My lolicon archive is about 100 Megs. My entire hentai (animated porn) archive is about 10 gigs. Rei Ayanami is hot (technically lolicon since she's 14). But does this make me a pedophile? No.

Oh...my.... ....well then, go right ahead . But when stuff like this end some of you up in jail and at the bottom of the prison food chain, don´t say society didn´t warn you.

In my mind it´s wrong on so many levels to depict children in sexual context, and fortunally im not the only one.

And your perfectly fine with what amounts to a witch hunt to put us away for owning loli art?

Sure, in my mind it´s child pornografy, try and keep that in mind please.

But it is that kind of view that creates a hostile and negative area for people like me, who do not wish to harm children, but find animated drawings arousing. It is the same argument I hear all the time that "I don't hate gays, but I don't feel they should have equal rights". It is using your morals to persecute others.

Nooo, you can go ahead and find animated pictures arousing, thats ok. It´s the child part that´s not. I just don´t understand WHY they must be of children? WHY?

Because they can be rather adorable. And WHY the fuck does it bother you? WHY do you feel personally offended at drawings that aren't even life like. WHY?

Im a dad and a member of my society that´s why. Please refrain from profanities in the future.

Im a father as well and I dont care and I dont see why you should...to each there own.

That´s says more about you than me. I care for other peoples children, i care for all children. And depicting them sexual is just not ok. That´s gonna be the last i contribute. It´s like talking to a brickwall in this thread.

 

[Joepow]

Well, i find it fair they judged drawings of minors in sexual context as child pornografy.

Im a dad and a manga reader.

While you have your rights as a parent to that, the fact remains that no one was hurt in this process, and the law was far overstepped.

As someone with a fairly large lolicon collection, I find this to be stupidity beyond reason. Am I a pedophile because I have these images? No. I find the idea of doing something like that to an actual human under the age of 16 disgusting, consent or not.

Makes no sense. Why would you have the pictures in the first place?

What do you do with those pictures?, be hornest. No..ok.

I wank to those pictures. Why? Because I find all animated characters attractive. My lolicon archive is about 100 Megs. My entire hentai (animated porn) archive is about 10 gigs. Rei Ayanami is hot (technically lolicon since she's 14). But does this make me a pedophile? No.

Oh...my.... ....well then, go right ahead . But when stuff like this end some of you up in jail and at the bottom of the prison food chain, don´t say society didn´t warn you.

In my mind it´s wrong on so many levels to depict children in sexual context, and fortunally im not the only one.

And your perfectly fine with what amounts to a witch hunt to put us away for owning loli art?

Sure, in my mind it´s child pornografy, try and keep that in mind please.

But it is that kind of view that creates a hostile and negative area for people like me, who do not wish to harm children, but find animated drawings arousing. It is the same argument I hear all the time that "I don't hate gays, but I don't feel they should have equal rights". It is using your morals to persecute others.

Nooo, you can go ahead and find animated pictures arousing, thats ok. It´s the child part that´s not. I just don´t understand WHY they must be of children? WHY?

Because they can be rather adorable. And WHY the fuck does it bother you? WHY do you feel personally offended at drawings that aren't even life like. WHY?

Im a dad and a member of my society that´s why. Please refrain from profanities in the future.

It can be kinda hard when you are saying "I think you should go to jail, even thought there is no logical reason".

 

[Arawn.Chernobog]

I am quite disturbed by the rape of non-existant characters, they are people too and deserve rights!

Not only are they drawn in sexual scenarios but they also lack many of the rights we take for granted, such as HUMAN rights and the right to vote!

THE TYRANNY OF "Real People" AGAINST DRAWN PEOPLE MUST END! NO MORE RAPE!


/sarcasm


PS: Seriously, now we're defending the rights of NON-EXISTANT people? Oh it's a depiction of child pornagrapy... Yeah, with a non-existant child! Should we start arresting WoW characters for killing helpless Penguins in Northrend? Why not arrest people who rob non-existant banks and stores in Saints Row 2?

 

[The Lunatic]

I think you're missing the point of "Depiction".

The younger image above, the girl is "depicted" as being younger than 18. In reality, she is not, as the older, original, image shows. She real images are no different.

There is no reality. It doesn't really exist, therefore it has to placed upon what it depicts.

 

[RatRace123]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's gonna get your ass arrested for possession of CP like a duck.

Yeah it's not entirely right, but maybe they think that the lolicon is "a slippery slope" and the guy's a child molester in the making.
That's probably not the case, and there are far better candidates for going to jail than the horrible "monsters" who fap it to hentai, but the legal system sees things in a very strict, black and white way in a grey world.
It's yet to evolve and it may need to.

 

[s0denone]

I think it's awesome that society is getting more open-minded.

I hope, however, that child-porn (including images of fictional characters) will always carry with it social stigma and taboo.

I've seen pictures of adult fictional characters, hentai, I mean. I wasn't turned on, but had no problem with it.

However, drawing a 13-year-old sucking a cock? Now that I do have a problem with. I think justice is served here. I would even go so far as to say I think everyone in possession of this "lolicon"(is that the preferred nomanclature?) material should undergo a mental evaluation.

 

[The Lunatic]

Because people don't agree with you? Because we're more progressive than you're used to? Because we don't believe someone should go to prison for an action that has no victim, and isn't actually a crime?

That brick wall, is a group of people standing together in the face of intolerance.

It's more a case of people being deluded enough to think there's no taboo about jacking off to depictions of children.

Law is subjective, in a lot of people's views, what you're doing is very close if not the same as paedophilia. No amount of claiming you're right is going to change that, and if caught, the law is very clear on these things.