Who would be the victor in the 40K universe?
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Necrons for being immortal or Eldar, the Eldar are just plain ole wickedly efficient at killing. But my fave are Chaos.
Am I wrong in saying that the bigger the WAAAGH the more orks are attracted? If I am right wouldn't they just need to create a big enough one to have some sort of snowball effect with the orks moving on and fighting everything they can, but of course my argument may be invalid because of the chance of the orks fighting among eachother if no enemy is not found quickly.
The Imperium of course. The Emperor is still alive and he will rise up to claim the galaxy once and for all! well, no actually he won't cause then if that happened then there won't be a 40k game to play anymore cause the war would be over lol
No, the Imperium launched a crusade into Tau space. The Imperium had to pull back that fleet. I don't think the Tau have to worry too much, so far they've been pretty much ignored by the Tyranids and Necrons, and they already have assimilated two races into their Empire. If they ally with another race (for example; one with common sense, like the Eldar) they'll gain new technologies and they would be VERY powerful.iain62a said:
BUT: The 'Nids would win, they just don't stop and no one knows where their homeworld is.
Logically? The Tyrannids.
The Imperium is doomed from the start, and it seems that even with the resources of a million worlds and untold legions of guardsmen (and a million or so Space marines) they struggle to hold onto what they have. From within and without the Imperium is being savaged, and all the heroics of the billions of the Emperors soldiers who throw themselves into the brutal meat grinder of 41st century warfare aren't going to do more than delay the inevitable.
The Tau lack the capacity to effectively travel in the warp, meaning they are simply incapable of winning the war - the best they can do is not lose.
The Necrons, though nigh unstoppable and perhaps the only army capable of stopping the Tyranids have seemingly proven themselves incapable of much in the way of widespread warfare. Their assaults are brutal, yes but their rarity seems to indicate they may be lacking in numbers. Given the simple fact that the Necrons are not biological, they will never be a target of the Tyranid swarms.
The Orks, if united would easily overrun the entire galaxy and may well be capable of stopping the Tyranid Menace, but such an event simply cannot happen as it is not in the nature of orks. Orks do not fight for a greater cause than bloodshed, and at best represent a destabalizing force in the universe and nothing more.
The Eldar and their twisted cousins are and always have been doomed it seems. They lack the numbers for conquest and their craft words are certainly vulnerable. It is only their mastery of surprise and their reliance on supremely gifted fighters that has let them stave off extninction for as long as they have. Like the Tau, the best that can be hoped for is survival as victory is out of their hands.
The Imperium is doomed from the start, and it seems that even with the resources of a million worlds and untold legions of guardsmen (and a million or so Space marines) they struggle to hold onto what they have. From within and without the Imperium is being savaged, and all the heroics of the billions of the Emperors soldiers who throw themselves into the brutal meat grinder of 41st century warfare aren't going to do more than delay the inevitable.
The Tau lack the capacity to effectively travel in the warp, meaning they are simply incapable of winning the war - the best they can do is not lose.
The Necrons, though nigh unstoppable and perhaps the only army capable of stopping the Tyranids have seemingly proven themselves incapable of much in the way of widespread warfare. Their assaults are brutal, yes but their rarity seems to indicate they may be lacking in numbers. Given the simple fact that the Necrons are not biological, they will never be a target of the Tyranid swarms.
The Orks, if united would easily overrun the entire galaxy and may well be capable of stopping the Tyranid Menace, but such an event simply cannot happen as it is not in the nature of orks. Orks do not fight for a greater cause than bloodshed, and at best represent a destabalizing force in the universe and nothing more.
The Eldar and their twisted cousins are and always have been doomed it seems. They lack the numbers for conquest and their craft words are certainly vulnerable. It is only their mastery of surprise and their reliance on supremely gifted fighters that has let them stave off extninction for as long as they have. Like the Tau, the best that can be hoped for is survival as victory is out of their hands.
A) It's not that they've been ignored by the necrons, it's that none oof the local tombworlds have awoken yet.Sergeant M. Fudgey said:
B) they are most certainly NOT safe from the nids, Hive Fleet Kraken and Behemoth and both dangerously close to their space, with the latter only being held back by the massacre at Macragge.
C) The Eldar MADE the tau, if they wanted to ally with them they'd have done so by now.
D) 'Nid homeworld? Try home GALAXY.
A) They have been pretty much ignored by the Necrons, if any Necrons wanted to screw with the Tau then they probably would be awake in Tau space, or at the very least the Tau (Unlike the Imperium and occasionally Eldar, are not dumb enough to go around awakening Necrons.)GruntOwner said:
B) The Tyranids are NEAR, NOT in the Tau galaxy yet, and thus far, there has been LITTLE OR NO contact betwen Tau and Tyranids. Also, as you said, Behemoth was held back, Kraken will probably be held back, at least long enough that it will be weakened.
C) Oh really? I think if the Eldar would ally with the Tau, it would just take a lot of losses (i.e. Eldar casualties) and a meeting with an Ethereal. When does it say the Eldar made the Tau? I have the Tau codex and it never said that... P.S. I gave them as an example, it doesn't HAVE to be Eldar.
D) Exactly.
A) It's a big galaxy. The Tau don't take up much of it but the Necrons WILL find them, and it's pretty much garenteed that there's gonna be a toimbworld SOMEWHERE nearby.Sergeant M. Fudgey said:
B) Look at the map, they're heading straight for the heart. Also, what the hell's gonna stop Kraken? Magragge was a planet held by 100 of the most elite veteran space marines, with a PDF second only to the Kasrkin. That people who are just waiting for space mairnes to die so they can attach to the 10th company to fill in the ranks. I was unaware that any other planet in the local area was able to match that as a defence.
C) Xenology sourcebook. Eldar abduct a Q'Orl, a creature immune to the warp, a few generations later the first Aun'va show up with exactly the same pheremones and proceed to unite the various castes. Very convinient, and there are no coincidents where 40K is concerned, let alone the Eldar.
I was going to say Squats but someone beat me to it. But they've been biding their time in their underground lairs. Waiting for just the right moment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squats_(Warhammer_40,000)
A) I'm not saying the Necrons won't get around to it, but if they were going to go after the Tau, soon, they would have started moving towards them, they still have a few of their (I forgot the name) Motherships, after all.GruntOwner said:
B) Fair enough, although when the Tyranids DO reach Tau space the Tau will have grown more, and the Tau fleets should be able to repel the Hive Fleet, even if a some of the Tau planets are destroyed.
C) Fair enough, but the Tau weren't CREATED by Eldar, in essence, the Ethereals were, that's only one Caste. Also, as far as I recall, there is only one Aun'va, and there will only ever be one, though when he DOES die there will be another head Ethereal. Also, perhaps those Eldar weren't in close contact with other Craftworlds? There are quite a few isolated Craftworlds who would try something like that, and I doubt that a stronger (or more well known) Craftworld (like Biel Tan, for example, emphasis on example) would attempt something like that.
A) It's not about them heading over that way, it's about them waking up nearby and getting their cull on.Sergeant M. Fudgey said:
C) The Tau as we would define them are a rigid handful of specialised castes united under the collective faith in the greater good. This is because the Ethereals taught them so, hence the Tau as we know them are a consequence of the Ethereals thus the Eldar are responsible. As for the Eldar's possible solitude, where matters as important as the rise of another race is concerned, they'd discuss it. They may be seperate craftworld, but they all want the same end, though through different means. They've certainly got a plan for them, yes, but were it an alliance they'd have acted on it by now. It'd certainly be interesting were they to unite, the Tau's utterly obscene firepoweer combined with webway transportation. Until Jaghatai stumbled upon them, though god help any one in there if he's still alive.
C) Yes, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it? The Tau would have access to webway technology, the Eldar ships, and Craftworlds, that would make the two the most wonderful hit-and-run army ever. They could appear out of nowhere, then kill everything before anyone noticed they were there. The Craftworld's may want the same end, but most of them have no clue where most of the other ones are, if they even know they still exist.GruntOwner said:
if you ask me it comes down to this
eldar are dead far to few to win anything
necrons and not un-killable yes thay can rebuild on a sub atomic level but take out the crypt and thay will die
tau far to small and thair space travel sucks so thay are out
dark eladr (see eldar)
chaos need the humans to excist so thay cant reach a total victory with only them left and even then that is unlikely as again it is a numbers game
and that leaves us with the 3 most likely options the humans , nids , and orks
now the ork have the numbers just like the other two but lack any command or direction as a whole so thay are dead
the nids on the other hand look very likely haveing numbers and command but the 4 hive fleets that have entered have been stoped so it depends on what is true IE: only being scout fleets and how big the real fleet is
and last the humans which i think is the most likely haveing the numbers of IG and the strength of all the ajoining factions IE: the space marines the SOB and the inqision(spellng)
eldar are dead far to few to win anything
necrons and not un-killable yes thay can rebuild on a sub atomic level but take out the crypt and thay will die
tau far to small and thair space travel sucks so thay are out
dark eladr (see eldar)
chaos need the humans to excist so thay cant reach a total victory with only them left and even then that is unlikely as again it is a numbers game
and that leaves us with the 3 most likely options the humans , nids , and orks
now the ork have the numbers just like the other two but lack any command or direction as a whole so thay are dead
the nids on the other hand look very likely haveing numbers and command but the 4 hive fleets that have entered have been stoped so it depends on what is true IE: only being scout fleets and how big the real fleet is
and last the humans which i think is the most likely haveing the numbers of IG and the strength of all the ajoining factions IE: the space marines the SOB and the inqision(spellng)
This.iain62a said:
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They have been stopped, yes. But at what price? They almost nomed the Ultramarines' homeplanet. Take two hive-fleets, let them attack at roughly the same time and you've got a wasted galaxy.theonecookie said:
Plus you have to remember that the Tyranids evolve by fighting. The more hive-fleets attack, the stronger they get.
Nitpicking: there were 3 major Tyranid-encounters (Behemoth, Kraken & Leviathan) and different other sources speak of up to 10 more, smaller ones