the fact that people also like the oppertunity to reinforce the idea that they belong to a group...what better way to belong than by joining in a tit for tat "war." with another heap of people.GamesB2 said:
Why are MOST PC gamers full of so much hatred towards Consoles?
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Because we hardly get any games worth the name "a PC-game" anymore.
If a bit strange metaphor: If an addict gets bad shit instead of good shit that get's him sedated enough, he will most certainly rage for not getting the real deal.
Although, 2010 has been a humble year with actually good PC games instead of lousy ports.
If a bit strange metaphor: If an addict gets bad shit instead of good shit that get's him sedated enough, he will most certainly rage for not getting the real deal.
Although, 2010 has been a humble year with actually good PC games instead of lousy ports.
Too many newbies joined our exclusive club at the same time and bought down our 10 years old culture. They came up with their own terms and own customs and raped everything that was holy to us. I..I cant even say "hardcore" anymore without feeling disgusted...
Thanks for explaining the point I, apparently, missed entirely. For me, it's a lack of willingness to put the funds into my PC that limits my PC. Not a lack of knowledge regarding upgrading it.Serenegoose said:
There seems to be a trend here in general...
Golden age of the arcade scene (Arcade machines having the best versions of everything)->Arcade scene marginalized->killed.
Golden age of PC gaming (PCs having the best versions of everything)->PC gaming marginalized.
Consoles haven't had their "golden age" yet. Give it time. What'll replace THEM though?
I think it might have something to do with the fact that pcs have fallen down a bit since the old days. Not saying there bad now, games like crysis are brilliant, but when it was ps1 days pc had a bigger hold. Now its changed.
Im mainly a pc gamer, and I see the console as the basic package, and the pc as the advanced package, mainly because of modding and stuff on pc. For example, I played l4d1 and 2 on xbox loads, but now I have them on pc I can customise my experience a little bit more with the console or custom campaigns, Ive even started making my own.
Its all down to preference, i still have my ps3 downstairs with vanquish in the drive from christmas and black ops by the side of it, and I still play it plentiful, although a lot less due to the fact we have to share the tv.
One thing that does annoy me though is how developers have stopped making pc specific versions of games because of the drop in market (or whatever it is). Dragon age origins is excluded from this, pc gamers got the amazing graphics they wanted, and console players got the optimum graphics and framerate required to enjoy the game fully, as well as a well tailored control system. So why cant other developers do this? Also its the other way too, mass effect 1 on 360 lags in certain areas (not all the time, but it does jump) and it seems like the developers made the pc version and did a immediate port, which is always a recipe for disaster.
But thats not anyones fault but the developers, so pc/console gamers cant be blamed.
Im mainly a pc gamer, and I see the console as the basic package, and the pc as the advanced package, mainly because of modding and stuff on pc. For example, I played l4d1 and 2 on xbox loads, but now I have them on pc I can customise my experience a little bit more with the console or custom campaigns, Ive even started making my own.
Its all down to preference, i still have my ps3 downstairs with vanquish in the drive from christmas and black ops by the side of it, and I still play it plentiful, although a lot less due to the fact we have to share the tv.
One thing that does annoy me though is how developers have stopped making pc specific versions of games because of the drop in market (or whatever it is). Dragon age origins is excluded from this, pc gamers got the amazing graphics they wanted, and console players got the optimum graphics and framerate required to enjoy the game fully, as well as a well tailored control system. So why cant other developers do this? Also its the other way too, mass effect 1 on 360 lags in certain areas (not all the time, but it does jump) and it seems like the developers made the pc version and did a immediate port, which is always a recipe for disaster.
But thats not anyones fault but the developers, so pc/console gamers cant be blamed.
They don't.
But the ones who do like to claim superiority are the much louder minority.
I'm chiefly a PC gamer, but I do have some consoles, I do enjoy playing them. And you'll find MOST PC gamers are the same.
But the ones who do like to claim superiority are the much louder minority.
I'm chiefly a PC gamer, but I do have some consoles, I do enjoy playing them. And you'll find MOST PC gamers are the same.
In my experience, it's usually the console fanboys who start with crap like "PC is dead" and such. It's almost like they enjoy starting pointless arguments and bragging about all their exclusives.Krylock said:
I see no legitimate reasons why they hate the PC, they just go on and on. If you mention you are a PC gamer, people are aways ready to call you elitist just for gaming on a PC.
Meh, I was going to do your entire post, only reversing the PC/consoles thing, but I honestly don't care enough. I'm sorry you ran into some idiots, but just remember there are idiots on both sides.
I was also going to put in some scathing remarks to make you feel small and inadequate for lumping all PC gamers in the same basket (and no, adding the word "most" to your title doesn't change that), but I really don't see the point.
If it warms your heart to consider PC gamers to be hate filled bags of evil, go right ahead.
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You. You, and muppets like you, are the reason. Because every bloody chance you fellas get you bring it up. And we're effin tired of having this talk.
Also, don't expect civility when you purposefully generalise a large group of individualists. 'MOST PC GAMERS' couldn't give a rats arsehairs what system you prefer to game on.
a grand on a gaming pc... mine cost me nearly £300 and that was over a year ago, plays everything full ...Krylock said:
Amway i have both a brilliant gaming pc and a xbox, ive had to get a xbox because of the console exclusivity of games... it isn't people that are causing these "flame wars" if developers stopped pitting us against each other there wouldn't be a problem, i favor pc over console because of things like mods, but due to the dumbing down of games + content for the console dlc or patches as they use to be called have took over -_- even on the pc games are now becoming locked down so we cant mod them and so dev teams can force us to pay for a little bit of content, games like s.t.a.l.k.e.r, fallout 3, fallout new veges, GTA IV are so much better on the pc because of mods, thats why we feel we have the upper hand over console gamers, we can get so much more out of our games at no extra cost, if and when a few developers let us.
I'm mainly a PC gamer, but I love consoles.
I own a ps3, ps2, 4X playstation one's, 360, wii, psp, nintendo ds, sega master system, sega megadrive, gamecube and an atari 2600.
I also own two PC's (on of which is godly). I guess this doesn't really apply to me as I'm an acception. I love console games, and I love pc games. Just depends what mood i'm in.
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I own a ps3, ps2, 4X playstation one's, 360, wii, psp, nintendo ds, sega master system, sega megadrive, gamecube and an atari 2600.
I also own two PC's (on of which is godly). I guess this doesn't really apply to me as I'm an acception. I love console games, and I love pc games. Just depends what mood i'm in.
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I've found that PC gamers like to use the price of console games in their argument whilst claiming how awesome valve is.(what is it with Valve, their games are mediocre at best)
Personally I like consoles better because the standard version of the console can play all the games, unlike computers which require certain specs.
Personally I like consoles better because the standard version of the console can play all the games, unlike computers which require certain specs.
I've recently started getting far more into PC gaming due to finally getting a decent PC that can play *gasp* fairly recent games. Main argument I do come across is that "console players are idiots". My time on Xbox Live does not particularly mitigate that sentiment at all. However, twats continue to thrive in their twattery, and I've come across people just as bad, worse even, in PC communities. Also, during the recent Steam deals, I ended up trapped, buying anything that looked good, because they obviously knew what prices make people buy stuff in stupid amounts. Xbox Live, the deal seemed to be one game per day, with a laughably crap discount attached. People all but certainly bought in droves, just like they did with all the other awfully priced things I've found on there.
That's a reflection on the seller, not the buyer, certainly, but the seller normally reacts to how their buyer has reacted in the first place. I don't use anything else that resembles Steam in the way of games buying (as in downloading right after purchase), so I do not know if anything like this occurs on the PC (I hear GFWL gets a lot of flak but I don't know the reason), but hell, the PC has this alternative, whilst Xbox Live is, understandably, monopolised by its creator.
When it comes to the argument on specs, I'm simply not made of money, despite being Lord Mountbatten (lost in a trust fund somewhere). I generally like to play recent games on my 360, and leave the rest to my PC. I have an equally good gaming experience with both, and therefore like to ignore console wars, except on this occasion, in which I have given my (possibly brilliantly incorrect) observations.
That's a reflection on the seller, not the buyer, certainly, but the seller normally reacts to how their buyer has reacted in the first place. I don't use anything else that resembles Steam in the way of games buying (as in downloading right after purchase), so I do not know if anything like this occurs on the PC (I hear GFWL gets a lot of flak but I don't know the reason), but hell, the PC has this alternative, whilst Xbox Live is, understandably, monopolised by its creator.
When it comes to the argument on specs, I'm simply not made of money, despite being Lord Mountbatten (lost in a trust fund somewhere). I generally like to play recent games on my 360, and leave the rest to my PC. I have an equally good gaming experience with both, and therefore like to ignore console wars, except on this occasion, in which I have given my (possibly brilliantly incorrect) observations.
An oddly pretentious way to start your thread. You create a like comparison pc gamer v. console gamer, but make sure to qualify the pc gamer with the derogatory "fanboy" qualifier as a sucker punch.Krylock said:
PC gamers are a dying breed. As much as we try to deny it, less and less games are being made each year for PC. If Steam were not around, PC gaming would have died out years ago. We aren't out to pick fights, we're just defending and surviving.
That being said, it has been scientifically proven that PC gamers are better at games than their console counterparts, we pay way way way way way way way less for games, the mouse+keyboard is an objectively better control setup for first person gaming, and most gamers (myself included) scoff at the idea of aim assistance. Also TF2.
Insulting Valve is not a great way to make your argument, just FYI. And regardless of the quality of their games, Steam alone has done more for PC gaming in the last 6 years than anything else I can think of.AudienceOfOne1 said:
Console Gamers. Fanboys, if you will.Krylock said:
We don't hate console gamers or consoles. We hate what multiplatform releases do to games on the PC whenever PC is last in line for compatibility work. If it's an FPS, you get the debris of auto-aim syndrome; the cursor floats around, which has a negative impact on precision. In the case of RPG's like Dragon Age 2, pandering to consoles is a constant threat- the development tools released on PC for DA:O were not guaranteed to reappear until just recently, which obviously provoked a few scathing glares at the systems potentially responsible for such a critical feature loss (from our perspective).
On the subject of dumbing down, graphical features can't be overlooked. When a game is multiplatform, when the limitations of consoles have to be taken into account, a game is going to be ugly- there's no avoiding it. In before the obvious "but lots of people don't have amazing PCs!" response. That's irrelevant, the point is, when concessions are made to account for the various weaknesses of consoles (such as the way ME2 recruitment missions were made unlockable/chapter based, rather than being totally open as originally intended), it prompts ire from anybody who owns a PC, because those concessions would never have been necessary if the game were PC exclusive.
If you were going to develop the best game possible, you'd choose to do it on the PC. The system requires absolutely no concessions to be made. You could make it as big as you liked, arrange the content in any way you liked, make it as beautiful as you liked, the controls could be as elegant or as complex as you liked and so on... I own a 360 console, for GoW and Halo franchises only. Otherwise, I buy PC, because that's where the best experiences are.
Edit: Look at the Witcher 2 as an ideal situation. It's being developed no-holds-barred for the PC. No concessions are being made. They've said that a console adaptation *might* be in the Witcher 2's future, but that right now they're focusing on making the PC release as good as it can be. That's perfect. That's how Mass Effect 3 ought to be developed- so we can avoid those content cuts a third time around- that's how everything ought to be developed. Port the watered down version to consoles 6 months to a year after release.
This thread again?
Song story lhort, I prefer my PC to my 360 and PS2. The control system is better and more accurate, better graphics (if I was a graphics whore) and the ability to do much more than just play games, go on facebook and all the otehr stuff you can do on a Live subscription and more - and a lot of it for free.
I don't think PC's are superior, but they have a great deal of advantages over consoles.
Song story lhort, I prefer my PC to my 360 and PS2. The control system is better and more accurate, better graphics (if I was a graphics whore) and the ability to do much more than just play games, go on facebook and all the otehr stuff you can do on a Live subscription and more - and a lot of it for free.
I don't think PC's are superior, but they have a great deal of advantages over consoles.