Why are people so against 'feminism' in gaming?

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PrinceArutha

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John Marcone said:
But it does kind of invalidate itself by deliberately lying and trying to make it sound like women are worse off than they really are.
Ok, fair enough, I agree that it does invalidate itself with several of its key points being twisted or outright fabricated. I never stated that its content was good, accurate or that Daniel Craig looks funny in drag, I was commenting on its presentation being a good example of non-aggressive feminism that does not attack or invalidate a large portion of the intended audience for its message.

disregard the content of the message, and focus on the presentation
 

fulano

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John Marcone said:
unabomberman said:
And who are you to arbitrate how worse chicks have it? I mean, are you the go to guy for whenever a chick has issues and needs a good talk?
Yes. Yes I am. Did you not know that?
And it does not take a genius to look up actual statistics that point out everything said in that video is complete and utter crap.
You lost me at 'yes'.
 

mechanixis

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Actually, I'd say that feminism in gaming is on the rise, and that's provoking a reactionary movement among the more manchildish part of the community. Things like Duke Nukem Forever are the industry getting starry eyed for the "good old days" when women where just there to shamelessly provide boobs and blowjobs.
 

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ViaGalactica said:
Three women have been caught faking rape? No. No. See, those three women who you claim faked rape are part of a terribly small minority. In reality, most rape cases reported by woman are not fake, and will most likely be dismissed because ~she deserved it for dressing provocatively/being there~. Sorry, dude. Women are victims of violent sexual assault far more often than men and even then the blame falls on to them. And seriously, virtually tried to end someone's life? Yeah, no.
So it dosent matter because they are a minority? and you deny the damage that can be caused by a fake rape cry? You dont think that it would be a problem if future employers google your name and find that youre an alleged rapist? what about future lovers? and what if they land a conviction? Juries have found men guilty on only the accusers word, what if you lose 10 - 25 years of your life in prison only to get out and be unable to find work or a place to live because youre on "the list." but no no there just a minority.

ViaGalactica said:
Why do you think society laughs at men who are victims of domestic abuse? Because we rejoice with your suffering? No, dude. The reason men are not given as much care is because society thinks women are ~too weak to hurt a man~. And it's other MEN who will laugh and mock those who claim to be abused, 'cause you are no longer a REAL MAN. Domestic violence, as well as rape, are equated in our society as womanly things which equal weak things. Only the ~weak women~ get abused, and because men are not ~weak~ they can't be abused. Yeah, blame misogyny for that one.
Oh sure its not femenists fault, they just shout slogans like stop male violence against women. like these people claiming to be feminists http://www.feminist.com/resources/ourbodies/viol_dom.html And of course its misogyny to think only men have the genes to be violent, that definetly shows a strong bias against women. The fact of the matter is that articles like the one above go a long way in the war on men by classifying domestic violence as something that happens to women.

ViaGalactica said:
Well, gee, you are right. I have yet to see a movie where they shoot a woman in a penis. I've never noticed any huge discrepancies in ratings. No, I mean, sure they fuck up plenty of times. I just haven't noticed anything related to ratings. (Then again, I don't think plenty of movies exist where a man gets shot in the dick.)
Funny how you take something similar to obviously mean ideantical . so how about i rephraze this some you can understand. Sexual mutilation in movies can frequently happen to men, yet wont happen to women outside of hardcore slasher films. When men are mutilated in films it is often depicted as humorous, yet only the most violent media will openly show a woman being killed. It is also probably more common than you realize you have just been de-sensitized by our lovely man-hating society.

ViaGalactica said:
Rape happens to boys, too. Only an idiot would say that women are incapable of taking advantage of men. Oh, wait, no idiots and Misogynists. Seriously, all of these issues you speak of are rooted in misogyny. As I said, rape is a womanly thing, a thing for the weak, so of course men can't get raped, they strong! You can't blame feminists for this. Blame the misogynist for perpetuating the idea that women are weak. That way you'd have more people realizing that shit, rape doesn't happen because people are weak or unmanly but because there are rapists out there raping people.
How often is rape called "an affair" by the large media outlets when a woman does it, and how often do they get probation. seriously, this is a problem. you say dont blame the feminists, show me any site in which organised groups of femenists openly say rape is not just a womens issue. That is for any other reason than because men are rapists. In fact we are so sure men are rapists that a woman can go up to a man say she wants to party, suggest they go skinny dipping, drive out to some secluded woods, get out of the car alone with the man and tell her friends to drive off, and still get a rape conviction

ViaGalactica said:
And see, here you go with the 'not tough enough to handle it' shit. Can't it just be that when shit is offensive people don't like it because, hey, it's offensive? No, it all comes back to women not being tough enough. Yeah, we are all so, so weak minded.
and yes i did go here, there are actually now more ads here depicting men as fat lazy slobs than women as cheap and i would bet there are a hell of a lot more ads out there that show men as there negative stereotypes than there are women, because quite frankly far to many women havent learned the ability to laugh at themselves. If you are actually so offended by seeing this add you better get a box of tissues because life is going to be tough.
 

jamesworkshop

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What does equal rights have to do with writing decent characters of which lets be honest male and female characters are practically equal in their awfulness.
 

Dexiro

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Excuse the rant but Feminism doesn't think what most people think it means. It means female superiority and even a lot of feminists don't seem to realise this.

- Females get it worse than males in some cases.
- Males get it worse than females in some cases - but feminists don't care about this one.

If they were truly for equality they wouldn't be called "feminists", because true equality means catering for both sexes.

Gender equality is something I'd like to see in games, not feminism.
 

fulano

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John Marcone said:
unabomberman said:
John Marcone said:
unabomberman said:
And who are you to arbitrate how worse chicks have it? I mean, are you the go to guy for whenever a chick has issues and needs a good talk?
Yes. Yes I am. Did you not know that?
And it does not take a genius to look up actual statistics that point out everything said in that video is complete and utter crap.
You lost me at 'yes'.
Aww its okay darlin. Why don't you go make me a nice sandwich while you catch up. I will wait. ^_~
[footnote]Aww cmon. You made that one too easy to pass up chap![/footnote]
Naw, I consider it unmanly to make sandwiches to sad sacks of shit.

Ooops! :)

P.S: Mods, do have at it. And my apologies to those my language may offend exceept, of course, the sad sack of shit.
 

ScumbagEddie

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Wow. The only thing I'll say in this matter is that there IS a difference between genuine feminism (which is totally acceptable) and female chauvinism (which is just as terrible as the male version).
 

BRex21

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Blitzwing said:
But if there are feminist that don?t believe that then that isn?t what it means.
This is like saying that if there are people that think its to promote marijuana the Canadian flag looses its meaning.
There are resonable feminists who honestly believe in equality, I work with a couple, however they both actively dissagree with "feminism" simply because it has such a negative connotation that is so easily corrupted into a femail first dogma, Like the woman on this forum who says its inconsiquential to accuse a man of rape, or the Womyn who turned this month into an excuse to pass out anti-male propoganda.
Moderate feminists would probably do a lot better trying to fly a different flag simply to avoid getting lumped in with the people who go online and say Wash from firefly is a wife beater.
 

fulano

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John Marcone said:
unabomberman said:
Naw, I consider it unmanly to make sandwiches to sad sacks of shit.

Ooops! :)

P.S: Mods, do have at it. And my apologies to those my language may offend exceept, of course, the sad sack of shit.
So then the question remains, who makes your sammiches for you then? ^.~
Myself, matter of fact, but that's only because I find Myself to be very awesome myself. I think Myself is a very nice chap, though Myself's sandwiches not so much. Myself tends to screw them up quite often, but I don't pay no mind to that 'cause I know Myself does the best he can.

;)
 

mrhateful

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aks100 said:
For example, the recent gamestation advertising campaign saying their pre-owned games were cheaper than your girlfriend. When people complained that it was offensive the minority of gamers told them to shut up and get over it. So..why are people so against gaming becoming more gender neutral and accepting of female, child and elderly gamers.
I love that games and game advertisement are offensive, since I general love offensive jokes. So my problem is why can't other people just not accept that?

Also the white male stereo type is not really a stereo type when it fits for like 99% of the demographic.
 

Dexiro

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Blitzwing said:
Dexiro said:
Excuse the rant but Feminism doesn't think what most people think it means. It means female superiority and even a lot of feminists don't seem to realise this.
But if there are feminist that don?t believe that then that isn?t what it means.
I've never heard a feminist talk about the ways in which they have it better than males and how that also needs to change. It's always how they have it worse than males. It seems that most feminists don't realise that if they're truly seeking equality they'll have to drop some of their own rights too.

Even so the name "Feminism" doesn't suggest equality at all. It suggests "female equality", "female rights". Like I keep saying equality is a 2 sided coin, you can't just account for one side.
 

TheLazyGeek

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It's all about the market and demographics...for the most part. In the end, however, Samus should have had her mouth shut in Other M.

Wait, what are we talking about again? OH! Right...

I think people need to calm down before I whip out my pencil and flick them in the head with it. You know, those really elastic pencils that you could pull back and release and *THWACK*

That hurt like hell back in school. Probably still does.