Why Batman is the best superhero... ever

[TundraWolf]

As I said, being gay does not make him less of a threat.
Neither does being a douche.

He's still in peak physical condition and trained to fight people.
Honestly, most of Batman's villains are relatively weak physically.
Bane and Croc being some of the more imposing. Penguin can fight as well.

Joker, like Bats, relies on gadgets.

OK, I'll grant you that Bruce Wayne knows martial arts and he's in excellent physical condition.
Would he (not batman) be able to beat the Punisher? No-fucking-way. Actually he couldn't do it even as Batman. Let's not forget that the Punisher has defeated (I'm not saying he killed them, but he did beat their asses) Dare Devil, Wolverine, and Spiderman.

So there.

Eh, Daredevil's a push-over. Yes, he is an amazing martial artist, but that's all he's got going for him.

Spidey is fun, but sometimes it's really hard to swallow him being able to actually take out as many people as he does. I mean, let's be realistic: if Spiderman went up against a big-name DC villain, like Sinestro or Brainiac, he'd be toast. Hell, pit him against Nitro (whose power is that he can explode his body with the force of a nuclear bomb and then piece himself back together again) and I'm not sure what he'd be able to do. Spidey-sense doesn't help that much if you have to avoid a nuclear explosion.

Wolverine is... an interesting character. I used to love him, but now I can't shake this feeling that he's actually overpowered. I mean, jesus, he's the only character in comic history that stood next to a nuclear explosion with no protection and survived (when pursuing Nitro), merely because a single cell of his being remained. Because of that single cell, his healing power put him back together. Superman could get hit with a nuke and be fazed for a minute or so, maybe. But Wolverine? He takes it and keeps on coming.

Seriously? That's pretty ridiculous. I'm a bit unsure as to how to take him anymore. He's basically the only superhero without a true weakness. Hell, even if Magneto tore the metal from his skeleton, he'd just heal from it and come right back. Minus the snikt-ness, of course, but still.

For those reasons, I dare say I'd like proof that Punisher actually kicked Wolverine's ass. The other two I believe, but not Wolverine.

Regardless of all that, of course, a Punisher vs. Batman match would be very interesting. The only problem that I can foresee is that Batman would do everything he could to incapacitate Punisher, while Punisher would just try and kill Batman. Still, I'd give the edge to Batman. Yes, Punisher is ridiculously hardcore. Yes, he is basically a walking tank that can kill pretty much anything, given enough ammunition and resources. But Batman is exactly the same thing. It's just a matter of lethal versus non-lethal means of combat, and, while I'm sure Batman would be pretty beat up by the end of it, I'd still say he'd prevail.

I mean, c'mon. He's actually killed Superman before. If you can do that, you can do pretty much anything.

 

[Samwise137]

I like Batman merely for the fact that he's consistent. He uses a strict set of abilities and when the goings get tough, he doesn't simply say "oh, I'm a superhero, I suddenly have a new power!" like most the DC heroes do. I also like this consistency in Tony Stark and Wade Wilson on the Marvel side of things.

 

[Unrulyhandbag]

Batman and most of these so called "heroes" are all shit, and there is one single reason why. They are not willing to kill. First time a villain crosses the line, fine, lock him up. But when a villain proves time and time again that he cannot be contained, and that he will return to harm people, it's time to take him out. But all of these so called heroes, despite allegedly being so super, are unwilling to take that action, and why? Because they apparently are not super enough to have that on their conscience.

It isn't about conscience. It's about not stooping to their level.

You're a teenager, aren't you?

I am not a teenager, I just don't buy in to the not stooping to their level thing.
It's about saving a bunch of people, by removing one person. You would stoop to their level if you too went about killing innocents.

your right stooping to their level has nothing to do with anything, its a moral choice but when you make your principles you have to live and stand by them.

There's a line of thought, to which I for one subscribe, which says: Killing is bad and no amount rationalising makes it better.

To save one person over another is a hard but necessary choice but to actively kill one man so save another person is wrong as there is always other options. If he kills someone while your trying to stop him by non-lethal means that is his action not yours, if he kills you at least you tried.
It's why people oppose the death sentence and why many nations don't have one.

Yes it's not a universal sentiment but I wouldn't call you a pussy for taking the easier and less risky option of shooting a dangerous man.

The only problem with batman is the fact his comic had anything to do with the super-powered super heroes. The only reason he is written to compete with the big boys is because otherwise he wouldn't be a hero of any interest. Why couldn't they have a separate world-space for mere mortal superheroes, then batman would be kinda cool.

 

[little.09]

he is awesome. BUT he is a rip off of sherlock holmes. So batman good creators bad

 

[SultanP]

Batman and most of these so called "heroes" are all shit, and there is one single reason why. They are not willing to kill. First time a villain crosses the line, fine, lock him up. But when a villain proves time and time again that he cannot be contained, and that he will return to harm people, it's time to take him out. But all of these so called heroes, despite allegedly being so super, are unwilling to take that action, and why? Because they apparently are not super enough to have that on their conscience.

It isn't about conscience. It's about not stooping to their level.

You're a teenager, aren't you?

I am not a teenager, I just don't buy in to the not stooping to their level thing.
It's about saving a bunch of people, by removing one person. You would stoop to their level if you too went about killing innocents.

your right stooping to their level has nothing to do with anything, its a moral choice but when you make your principles you have to live and stand by them.

There's a line of thought, to which I for one subscribe, which says: Killing is bad and no amount rationalising makes it better.

To save one person over another is a hard but necessary choice but to actively kill one man so save another person is wrong as there is always other options. If he kills someone while your trying to stop him by non-lethal means that is his action not yours, if he kills you at least you tried.
It's why people oppose the death sentence and why many nations don't have one.

Yes it's not a universal sentiment but I wouldn't call you a pussy for taking the easier and less risky option of shooting a dangerous man.

You have a point, but you also have to take into account that these people have the power to stop a person who kills people, but in not doing so, plays a part in any death the person might cause, at least when it is clear that containing the murderer is nigh impossible. Yes, killing is wrong, but letting someone kill people is equally wrong. And going by sheer numbers, or Utilitarianism, not stopping this person is the wrong thing to do. Meaning that you may have to set aside your own beliefs for the greater good.

 

[Jedoro]

I'm afraid you chose the wrong billionaire hero.

The correct answer is Tony Stark, also know as Iron Man.

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

I chuckled at the reference.

OT: Punisher > Batman

As others have said, Batman captures murderers and just throws them in jail, even when they've broken out a million times already and kept killing. Punisher knows just to kill them to prevent them from killing more people. Really, toss the Punisher into Gotham City and it'll be peaceful in a week.

Or hell, throw him in Arkham Asylum/City so there's no risk of collateral damage.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

You have a point, but you also have to take into account that these people have the power to stop a person who kills people, but in not doing so, plays a part in any death the person might cause, at least when it is clear that containing the murderer is nigh impossible. Yes, killing is wrong, but letting someone kill people is equally wrong. And going by sheer numbers, or Utilitarianism, not stopping this person is the wrong thing to do. Meaning that you may have to set aside your own beliefs for the greater good.

Ya, Batman is pretty much refusing to sully his hands because of his own morals. He doesn't stop that which he knows will kill again. They always lock up the Joker and the like, with him knowing that he will get out again. I don't even know why they act surprised anymore. Putting down rabid dogs is mercy. While I could hear somebody out on the moral high ground of not killing, Batman already decided that he was above the law but apparently he is above actually solving the problem.

The quirk is that if he kills, he is just another villain in costume. He isn't a legal authority. He honestly shouldn't even be out there as far as the law is concerned. After a while, you have to ask yourself, are you willing to make a sacrifice so that others may live? If so, why not? Any moral high ground you take is going to be bloodsoaked either way. If you do not kill the Joker when given a chance, you have allowed the rest of his victims to die.

 

[Jedoro]

OT: Punisher > Batman
...
Really, toss the Punisher into Gotham City and it'll be peaceful in a week.
Or hell, throw him in Arkham Asylum/City so there's no risk of collateral damage.

FUCK YEAH!
A week? Make that a weekend.
Batman makes Jocker spew crazy puns.
The Punisher would first make Jocker cry and beg for mercy, and then paint the wall with his brains.

I was giving him time to scare the hell out of them first, as their minions are methodically taken out while they helplessly watch.

 

[Chronarch]

Yet I despise him.

I, for one, prefer his enemies.
The Joker is such a better villain than Batman is a hero.

The Joker is a rather interesting villain. The forces of good generally prevail though.

I don't know... I think you should see this.

That's hilarious.

Mostly ever superhero I know of is incredibly stupid, in my opinion. Batman however, has a certain air of awesome through the silliness. Like James Bond.

Indeed, Batman gives off an aura of seriousness which is rather refreshing at times. Well, except for the Adam West Batman. He wasn't always as serious, he was still awesome though.

No, this [http://twitpic.com/2n09y4] is why batman is the best.

That is awesome.

He also has Shark Repellant Bat-spray. That makes him awesome.

lol

I totally forgot about that one! Good call.

That is a perfect example of why Adam West was my favorite Batman. He was always prepared.

 

[s0nic_al]

Intri

As I said, being gay does not make him less of a threat.
Neither does being a douche.

He's still in peak physical condition and trained to fight people.
Honestly, most of Batman's villains are relatively weak physically.
Bane and Croc being some of the more imposing. Penguin can fight as well.

Joker, like Bats, relies on gadgets.

OK, I'll grant you that Bruce Wayne knows martial arts and he's in excellent physical condition.
Would he (not batman) be able to beat the Punisher? No-fucking-way. Actually he couldn't do it even as Batman. Let's not forget that the Punisher has defeated (he did beat their asses) Dare Devil, Wolverine, and Spiderman.

So there.

Interestingly enough, I have a batman vs punisher issue. Unfortunately, it was Azrael Batman, so it doesn't really count since it wasn't bruce-batman.

Otherwise, Bruce-Batman would have little issue with punisher. After all, he's taken out several guys with guns many times.

And why doesn't the bat kill? Because he is better than that. Bad Guys kill when they don't have to.

 

[Xojins]

Batman is a hero, not a superhero. If it weren't for all of his money and technology he'd be just a regular person, so he's not a superhero because he doesn't have any unique abilities.

 

[Woodsey]

Batman is not a superhero - superheroes have powers! Batman is just a regular hero.

 

[supernovashadow]

I always thought Batman's refusal to become someone like the Punisher is part of what makes him so awesome. It is a line he refuses to cross. See "Under the Hood" comics for example.

It's not his wealth that separates him from others it's his insane willpower. To train your mind and body like he does, to go out every night and keep fighting after some of the crap he's been through is extraordinary and what makes him a superhero to me.

 

[Chronarch]

I always thought Batman's refusal to become someone like the Punisher is part of what makes him so awesome. It is a line he refuses to cross. See "Under the Hood" comics for example.

It's not his wealth that separates him from others it's his insane willpower. To train your mind and body like he does, to go out every night and keep fighting after some of the crap he's been through is extraordinary and what makes him a superhero to me.

That's true, Batman may be serious and maybe even dark at times, but he still always fights for the side of good and won't cross that line (well, I've seen Batman kill someone once or twice but he doesn't make a habit out of it.)

 

[baka52]

its because he's the goddamn batman!!
but in all serousness i think the reson he is such a good superhero is because he one of the more relatable DC charicters hes not an alien like superman he just an normal guy who just happened to train as a ninja that and he is also more of a realistic superhero he has ulterior motive for being batman other than its the right think to do all of this and more make him my second favorite super hero of all time (he'd be number 1 if i wasent such a spiderman fanboy)

 

[Peteron]

Ok, Batman has intellect, but last time I checked, Superman, Spiderman, Iron Man, hell anyone can kick his ass! He just has a few gadgets. Sure he can defeat some criminals, but he doesn't stand a chance against other Superheroes. He is not the best Superhero, and honestly I don't care who is.