Why Bullying is something we can never, ever change:

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Jacco

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I've been seeing a lot about "bullying" the last few days and this morning I see a CNN article about a Canadian girl who committed suicide after making a YouTube video. Then I come here and see a thread about it with everyone saying "bullying is horrible, needs to stop, we need to legislate, we need to parent better, we need to have better safety nets, we need to have zero tolerance policies" etc etc ad nauseum.


Here's the thing: Bullying will never, ever, ever, ever be something we can get rid of through any means anyone can ever come up with .

You know why? Because more often than not, people don't know they're being bullies.

Kids don't wake up one day and physically say to themselves "I think I'll make Joey's life miserable to the point he kills himself because I hate his guts." Kids do what they do and sometimes that happens to be something someone finds mean. We don't communicate with each other; we expect people to know things by the looks we give them. You see that crap in relationships. If no one tells the "bully" what they are doing is hurtful and "bully-ish" then they will never know and will continue to do it. Often it is a case of them believing it is benignly funny, not realizing it actually isn't. There is always talk of the victim being young and incapable of comprehending the idea that they could stand up for themselves. What makes the bullies so different? Nothing. They are children of the same age and they are often incapable of comprehending on their own that their actions may have outside consequences as well.

I'll grant you that there are indeed some assholes out there that do it because they think its hilarious (trolls, for example) but more often than not, bullies are just like everyone else.

Think of all the times you've done something to someone and they took offense to it but you didn't find out until months or perhaps years later. How did you feel?

My point here is that yes, bullying is a problem. But legislating it away is never going to solve the issue. As long as children are around each other, there will be bullies. There always have been and there always will be. That's just how human nature works. So instead of demonizing them, (when, lets be real, you don't even know them) educate them. Tell them they are being mean.

I guarantee you the kids that were involved with the YouTube girl feel like utter pieces of shit now because they realize now what they were doing. Open your mind, look at things from outside your own perspective. Or better yet, apply your perspective to someone else. Chances are it's pretty close to theirs.
 

SomeLameStuff

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Agreed. Even though I'd like bullying to stop completely, I know human nature renders it impossible. It's sad, but it's life.
 

Slayer_2

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I agree with this completely, but I can see a lot of people taking it the wrong way.
 

Overusedname

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You realize minimizing these things are entirely possible, right? That people can be raised to learn morality through empathy and reason?

No?

...Alrighty then...

My point is, laws are only part of the plan. Making 'bullying' an issue with major exposure with a very angry spot light on it is never going to be a bad thing. The effects can be felt. I get people aren't aware of it. Appeal to reason, empathy and logic and at least a few will change their ways. Those few changes can save a kid's life.

Sorry. I'm not gonna stop complaining. :p
 

Shadowstar38

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Overusedname said:
You realize minimizing these things are entirely possible, right? That people can be raised to learn morality through empathy and reason?

No?

...Alrighty then...

My point is, laws are only part of the plan. Making 'bullying' an issue with major exposure with a very angry spot light on it is never going to be a bad thing. The effects can be felt. I get people aren't aware of it. Appeal to reason, empathy and logic and at least a few will change their ways. Those few changes can save a kid's life.

Sorry. I'm not gonna stop complaining. :p
I realize it's important to make people aware of it but, to what end is all this rage going towards? At some point you need to, you know, get shit done.

My suggestion, public stoning for all those caught bullying. I'm totally serious. Scaring people into not doing this shit sounds effective at this point.
 

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Ya I agree a lot with what you are saying. Teachers and such could crack down on this sorta thing but the thing is these things can be very different from case to case and soon we would have kids getting punished way to hard when they only messed up a little.

Honestly if bullying was a huge deal I would have been expelled in elementary school not because I was bullying anyone but because teachers had a tenancy to blindly accuse me. I remember in elementary school I had a teacher come up to me and ask me why I was beating up this kid I had never even seen in my entire life or how about the time a teacher insisted I was stealing cards from a kid despite both me and the kid telling her we were only playing a game and cards were not being exchanged in any sorta way.
 

Jacco

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Overusedname said:
You realize minimizing these things are entirely possible, right? That people can be raised to learn morality through empathy and reason?
Shadowstar38 said:
My suggestion, public stoning for all those caught bullying. I'm totally serious. Scaring people into not doing this shit sounds effective at this point.
Did you guys read what I wrote? Yes, people can be taught 'morality and empathy and reason" but the problem is that they don't know they are being bullies when it's happening. That is the issue. Teach someone something all you want, but if they are not aware there is a problem to apply those lessons to, they will not have a reason to apply them.
 

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Jacco said:
Overusedname said:
You realize minimizing these things are entirely possible, right? That people can be raised to learn morality through empathy and reason?
Shadowstar38 said:
My suggestion, public stoning for all those caught bullying. I'm totally serious. Scaring people into not doing this shit sounds effective at this point.
Did you guys read what I wrote? Yes, people can be taught 'morality and empathy and reason" but the problem is that they don't know they are being bullies when it's happening. That is the issue. Teach someone something all you want, but if they are not aware there is a problem to apply those lessons to, they will not have a reason to apply them.
That doesn't really relate to what Shadowstar said. It doesn't matter if they don't know what they're doing is bullying (Which I find impossibly difficult to believe) if they're dead, 'cause they're not hurting anyone anymore.
 

Jacco

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Kopikatsu said:
Jacco said:
Overusedname said:
You realize minimizing these things are entirely possible, right? That people can be raised to learn morality through empathy and reason?
Shadowstar38 said:
My suggestion, public stoning for all those caught bullying. I'm totally serious. Scaring people into not doing this shit sounds effective at this point.
Did you guys read what I wrote? Yes, people can be taught 'morality and empathy and reason" but the problem is that they don't know they are being bullies when it's happening. That is the issue. Teach someone something all you want, but if they are not aware there is a problem to apply those lessons to, they will not have a reason to apply them.
That doesn't really relate to what Shadowstar said. It doesn't matter if they don't know what they're doing is bullying (Which I find impossibly difficult to believe) if they're dead, 'cause they're not hurting anyone anymore.
You can't "scare" someone into not doing something they aren't aware they're doing in the first place.
 

Kopikatsu

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Jacco said:
Kopikatsu said:
Jacco said:
Overusedname said:
You realize minimizing these things are entirely possible, right? That people can be raised to learn morality through empathy and reason?
Shadowstar38 said:
My suggestion, public stoning for all those caught bullying. I'm totally serious. Scaring people into not doing this shit sounds effective at this point.
Did you guys read what I wrote? Yes, people can be taught 'morality and empathy and reason" but the problem is that they don't know they are being bullies when it's happening. That is the issue. Teach someone something all you want, but if they are not aware there is a problem to apply those lessons to, they will not have a reason to apply them.
That doesn't really relate to what Shadowstar said. It doesn't matter if they don't know what they're doing is bullying (Which I find impossibly difficult to believe) if they're dead, 'cause they're not hurting anyone anymore.
You can't "scare" someone into not doing something they aren't aware they're doing in the first place.
Do you have some kind of evidence to substantiate that claim? Because if not, then it's a faulty premise.
 

Wayneguard

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Maybe if we passed laws against it and posted signs at school entrances reading "Bully Free Zone - No Bullying Allowed"...

Guy's, think I've solved it!
 

Nightvalien

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Everything the OP said it's true, but that's true to every single negative thing in the world such as racism and corruption, but we can fight it better and mitigate it better so there are less casualties, I for one would love to see a lower suicide rate among teens or even in general if possible.
 

Generic4me

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It's true, to an extent. Bullying will always exist, and no matter how much legislation and rules and laws and speeches we make, nothing will happen.

What does need to happen is to teach kids how to stand up for themselves, treat each other with more respect, and to help others who are having issues with bullying. It's not going to completely go away, but I believe that if parents talked to their kids about these things, it would definitely help.


Also, sorta OT, if you want to make teenage suicide rates go down, stop saying "These are the greatest years of your life." Right, those almost adult but without the reward years where your body is swarming with hormones, still trying to figure out how to act socially, having to get a job, drive a car, still do school, get bullied, do sports, do chores, figure out college and future jobs, learn everything you're going to need as an adult, and deal with all the stress of worrying about all those things and your future are the greatest years of your life.
 

VanTesla

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It is true that we will never be able to end bullying because of human nature and free will, but we can reduce it and maybe get those bullies to change their ways. I feel much of the goes to the parents and how they raise the child, but sometimes the child is just born mean and nasty. Of course it's not all black and white, but it seems most bullies come from troubled families or live in a bad environment.

I will say through my experience on bullying the way to handle it is different case by case. I was able to become friends with one and he stopped bullying, I talked one bully down, ignored one and he stopped after a while, and two cases that would not stop so I beat the shit out of them... The last two I never had a problem with again, but this tactic could have had me kicked out of school and or violent retaliation that could end up with someone severly injured or dead.
 

barbzilla

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Sorry I have to call shenanigans on this one. People realize they are picking on people or making fun of them a good 80% of the time. Do I think that everyone realizes they are doing it all the time? No, but the point is that a solid number of them do realize it. To think otherwise suggests a fair amount of social ineptitude on that person's part (not calling you socially inept, I am referring to the person who doesn't realize they are picking on someone). They may not realize what it is doing to the other person though (maybe what you are talking about not sure). This is where the spotlight being on the subject is an important thing.

We will never be able to completely quash bullying, but this doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Lets face it if all these laws/rules/teaching only manages to save one life, isn't it worth it? The best way to fight something like this is through information. The more we know, the better we can fight it.

On the flip side, I don't think bullying is a completely negative thing. I think the extreme cases we hear about aren't good, but in moderation it can make a great motivator. Bullying is probably about 40% responsible for my weight loss.
 

Thaluikhain

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The OP has a point, but I don't agree it's impossible to teach people wrong from right.

Assuming that it is, there are any number of people in positions of power who are supposedly to step in and get involved in problems like this. How many schools proudly claim to have a zero tolerance policy in regards to bullying, but people working there don't actually do anything?

They've tried nothing, and not surprisingly it hasn't worked. That is not to say there aren't solutions.