Most console gamers don't care about mod tools. Hell, most PC gamers don't care about them, either.Scumpernickle said:
Why do PC gamers get so much hate
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This forum is more heavily populated by PC gamers than consoles gamers Because of this there are more PC jerks than Console jerks. The voice of one jerk is a greater, much greater, than the voice of one a normal person. Because of this it seems that the entire community is hating on consoles and in retaliation some console gamers hate back on PC gamers. It doesn't help that 'console-tards' and 'console-kiddies' are terms that get thrown around all the fucking time. Seriously, those terms are damn annoying and yet when PC gamers get called elitist they get annoyed? If PC-tard begain to be a common term than there will blood flames.
It doesn't help that a lot of the complaint threads concerning games or what have you come from PC gamers. Bad ports often take up a lot of this, the L4D2 boycott seemed to be made up mostly from PC gamers and let us not forget this IW fiasco. It seems that if a downer thread is made, it's made from a PC point of view. This isn't neccesarily a bad thing but you never see a 'lets talk about good stuff' coming from a PC player. If a console player makes a negative thread, in particular regards to a PC game, they get flamed to hell.
Not to mention that at this stage in console wars people don't argue about the different consoles anymore, mainly because the Wii is selling more than any other, all arguments seem to fall back to consoles VS PC. Because of the greater PC community this results in console gamers losing the justification of their console argument by sheer force of numbers from the PC side.
It doesn't help that a lot of the complaint threads concerning games or what have you come from PC gamers. Bad ports often take up a lot of this, the L4D2 boycott seemed to be made up mostly from PC gamers and let us not forget this IW fiasco. It seems that if a downer thread is made, it's made from a PC point of view. This isn't neccesarily a bad thing but you never see a 'lets talk about good stuff' coming from a PC player. If a console player makes a negative thread, in particular regards to a PC game, they get flamed to hell.
Not to mention that at this stage in console wars people don't argue about the different consoles anymore, mainly because the Wii is selling more than any other, all arguments seem to fall back to consoles VS PC. Because of the greater PC community this results in console gamers losing the justification of their console argument by sheer force of numbers from the PC side.
87% of all console gamers are rabid monkeys. Know where i pulled that statistic from? Out of my ass, jsut like everyone else saying "most". You see, "most" of these users dont necessarily comment where you see them so there is no way one person can (from their only experience or even that gathered from a collective group) know what the majority are like.
Simple reason why console gamers hate PC gamers and vice versa? People are idiots, stop pretending there is any logic behind it. It is simple hate over differences.
Simple reason why console gamers hate PC gamers and vice versa? People are idiots, stop pretending there is any logic behind it. It is simple hate over differences.
Because console gamers are to stupid to figure out how to put down the chainsaw and play a game with a GOOD story.
The controller issue is silly - a PC is obviously better because it can use a far wider variety of input devices, including a console-style controller. A mouse is vastly better than a controller for precise movements and a keyboard has more keys, which allows for easier use of complex games and allows each gamer to configure the controls to their liking.
PC hardware is far more powerful. PC games are cheaper. PCs are more versatile. PCs don't gouge you insanely for storage space (e.g. £100 for a 120GB HDD for Xbox360, £35 for a 500GB HDD for PC that's also faster). The big advantages of consoles are relative cost of the basic hardware and convenience of installing games (though that is less true than in the past).
So yes, the PC is a far better gaming platform...at a price. My graphics card cost more than an XBox360. Consoles aren't bad, they're just not as good.
That isn't elitism - it's simply true that PCs are more powerful, more versatile and vastly better for complex games due to the standard input devices.
But I also game on the Wii, because it's a good laugh. Mediocre graphics and games on a par with free Flash games on the net, but it's a good laugh.
The only thing that annoys me about consoles is that they've become the de facto standard for game development and that drags down PC gaming. All too often, weeks or months later, someone having a quiet day spends a couple of hours porting it to PC and making a pig's ear of it. I've seen ports to PC in which they didn't even bother adding a way to exit the game back to Windows, or any support for any input device other than a console controller, let alone upgrading the graphics to PC standard. They then leave it to fans to do the port properly, because they regard PC gamers as a bunch of gullible peasants only good for some more profit. Resident Evil 4 comes to mind.
PC hardware is far more powerful. PC games are cheaper. PCs are more versatile. PCs don't gouge you insanely for storage space (e.g. £100 for a 120GB HDD for Xbox360, £35 for a 500GB HDD for PC that's also faster). The big advantages of consoles are relative cost of the basic hardware and convenience of installing games (though that is less true than in the past).
So yes, the PC is a far better gaming platform...at a price. My graphics card cost more than an XBox360. Consoles aren't bad, they're just not as good.
That isn't elitism - it's simply true that PCs are more powerful, more versatile and vastly better for complex games due to the standard input devices.
But I also game on the Wii, because it's a good laugh. Mediocre graphics and games on a par with free Flash games on the net, but it's a good laugh.
The only thing that annoys me about consoles is that they've become the de facto standard for game development and that drags down PC gaming. All too often, weeks or months later, someone having a quiet day spends a couple of hours porting it to PC and making a pig's ear of it. I've seen ports to PC in which they didn't even bother adding a way to exit the game back to Windows, or any support for any input device other than a console controller, let alone upgrading the graphics to PC standard. They then leave it to fans to do the port properly, because they regard PC gamers as a bunch of gullible peasants only good for some more profit. Resident Evil 4 comes to mind.
Heh, not trying to get into the flame war but it mainly comes from what you grow up with. If you grow up with a N64 then you'll probably be a console-gamer. Same with a PC which is what I grew up with. I never got the chance to use a console, so I never got used to them and I still can't use them properly.
Anyway, this doesn't matter much when you're kids, but by the time you're older, the PC Gamers are the normally the ones with jobs because that's the only way to pay for their machines. They *try* and act more mature and probably are because they work. I'm not saying console gamers are dole-bludgers, but less of them work than PC Gamers would. You have to be pretty dedicated if you want to be a proper PC Gamer.
Anyway, this doesn't matter much when you're kids, but by the time you're older, the PC Gamers are the normally the ones with jobs because that's the only way to pay for their machines. They *try* and act more mature and probably are because they work. I'm not saying console gamers are dole-bludgers, but less of them work than PC Gamers would. You have to be pretty dedicated if you want to be a proper PC Gamer.
Keyword here is "probably." I grew up on consoles until around 2000, I own every Nintendo, Sega, and Sony console but the Saturn and Game Gear, from the Atari 2600 onward. Then I discovered the glory of PC gaming thanks to a late break into Starcraft and Half-life, and I've hardly ever looked back. I do own every system from the last two gens except Microsoft's, and a ton of PS2 games, so I'm not completely PC-biased, but in a market where nearly half the "core" games coming out are FPS, there's simply no reason to play on consoles. PCs are better for FPS, period. No debate. I've bought more games for my PSP than my PS3, that's saying a lot. I've even converted a friend of mine who used to be a die-hard Xbox fanatic to PC gaming when I helped him build a PC last year.Warbygen said:
To live among lions, or to live among sheeple.Douk said:
And: it's not expensive anymore to make a gaming rig. It's only expensive if you are retarded and buy a $350 card plus upgrade mobo and CPUs every 6 months...
Overclocking and ability to fine tune ALL settings means a gaming computer last 3 yrs. Then you go out in an orgy of overclocking, or buy a new supercheaper gaming rig that can go past all games(except Crysis, lazy programming there).
Newegg is your friend.
HD console owner says, "I like consoles because they do everything I want and they are easy to use."
PC gamer says, "I like PC games because consoles definitely don't do everything I want while PC gaming doesn't cause me many problems and consoles come with their own set of problems."
This is the real "balanced" argument of why some people love PC gaming and it can't help but seem elitist to console only gamers. That's tough titty for them though. They just need to accept it and it is not like you never hear HD console owners looking down on Wii owners.
PC gamer says, "I like PC games because consoles definitely don't do everything I want while PC gaming doesn't cause me many problems and consoles come with their own set of problems."
This is the real "balanced" argument of why some people love PC gaming and it can't help but seem elitist to console only gamers. That's tough titty for them though. They just need to accept it and it is not like you never hear HD console owners looking down on Wii owners.
Elitism mainly. To give an example, /v/ and its 'Glorious PC Master Race' crap.
Also, there's the big deal with piracy, and the compounded annoyance of people who call Console gamers 'casual morons' that are 'ruining the industry', before turning to their computers and going 'OH &"%@! CONTRA 4 JUST GOT DUMPED! CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY THIS %"@^, PIRATAN!'
Also, there's the big deal with piracy, and the compounded annoyance of people who call Console gamers 'casual morons' that are 'ruining the industry', before turning to their computers and going 'OH &"%@! CONTRA 4 JUST GOT DUMPED! CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY THIS %"@^, PIRATAN!'
PC is more powerful, but also more complex (to the "unenlightened" we'll say)
Console is less powerful, but also less complex (remember the term Plug and Play?)
Console is less powerful, but also less complex (remember the term Plug and Play?)
i have a xbox 360, a game, a controller, oh and the xbox box... which is fun as a castle... but thats all i need, the box you put the disc in, the disc, and the white thing you use to control it.
a pc gamer on the other hand needs a computer, a mouse, RAM, graphics, a game, minimum space on the hard drive, minimum specohforfucksakeimborednow...
plus irregardless of what people say (anyone who argues with this statement, you're lying) pc gaming is a fuck of alot more expensive than console gaming.
both of those make any pc gamers i know snooty and stuck up when it comes to talking about their gaming experiences.
a pc gamer on the other hand needs a computer, a mouse, RAM, graphics, a game, minimum space on the hard drive, minimum specohforfucksakeimborednow...
plus irregardless of what people say (anyone who argues with this statement, you're lying) pc gaming is a fuck of alot more expensive than console gaming.
both of those make any pc gamers i know snooty and stuck up when it comes to talking about their gaming experiences.
Except of course that the term is used to insult every one that games on a console, you tard*. The term isn't used in a definition of an individual but as the definition of all console gamers and as such it is not justified. I will admit that there are plenty of idiotic people that blast on about their platform of choice and none of these people are restricted to a particular platform. An idiot talking about video games isn't necessarily a console gamer and a console gamer isn't necessarily an idiot.bagodix said:
According to some owning those consoles makes you a:
Surely you would think that owning those have no bearing on you're intelligence or you're rank in a social pyramid but it would appear that a vast majority disagree and think you stupid and a member of the working masses. While I agree that owning a console doesn't make one stupid, the attitude of many is that it does. This is why I am against 'console-tard' or something similar because when used it is always used to describe the majority of, if not all, console gamers.SwmnNE1 said:
There are plenty of games that replaced the option to choose, host and alter a server on a console such as Gears of War II and CoD4. Console gamers didn't get into a fit over this. I wrote a post explaining why this is, which pretty much came down to console gamers used to or even expecting change in their games in regards to how multi player was treated. PC games however have been using the same system for over a decade so when change does rear it's head PC gamers get upset over it because they view the change as a negative thing. Maybe the MW2 change is a negative thing but when it happens on the consoles barely anyone complains, which makes it look like the PC gamers expect a better experience than you get from consoles, making them look elitist. The same goes for the L4D2 boycott which is not explained by the larger community. L4D has a strong XBL community and they would have had just as much reason to boycott, yet didn't.
Interesting that you didn't bring up the ports though.
*Sarcasm, no offense intended.