Why do women love confidence in a man?

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Something Amyss

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nexus said:
"Popular media and mainstream culture" = "shy/awkward". . . looool. That's called marketing.
It's successful marketing, which wouldn't work if there wasn't a market. This indicates that it's not aunilateral trait of women to want confidence in a man, which was my argument.

Thank you for proving my point.
 

Sean Steele

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I'm a guy I like confidence in ladies too confidence is just attractive, unless I guess if your just completely looking to dominate a relationship I guess.
 

Something Amyss

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Damir Halilovic said:
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The bottom line is: Men are attracted to feminine traits, women are attracted to masculine traits, both physically and mentally.
Except that wasn't even true in the 50s, when that mindset was prevalent, and it hasn't got any more accurate in the last 60 years.
 

Pieturli

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From my experience, women like CONFIDENCE, not excessive swagger. Women (and guys, for that matter) can smell fake confidence from a mile away. Confidence, at least in my mind, means a calm, collected, nothing-to-prove kind of manner. Being comfortable and relaxed. Getting all up in peoples faces all the time, to me, suggests insecurity, like that person constantly needs to prove to themselves and everyone around them how badass they are. This topic actually arises occasionally in my sport, Powerlifting. The best lifters are almost universally "quietly confident", at least before they actually lift that is.

On the topic of confident women, I actually LOVE confidence in women. I don't know how to handle a shy girl, I constantly feel like I need to be careful so as to not freak them out. It's much nicer to be with someone who is comfortable in their own skin.
 

janjotat

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Following everyone's definition here, confident and at he same time I lack confidence. WAT?
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
nexus said:
"Popular media and mainstream culture" = "shy/awkward". . . looool. That's called marketing.
It's successful marketing, which wouldn't work if there wasn't a market. This indicates that it's not aunilateral trait of women to want confidence in a man, which was my argument.

Thank you for proving my point.
It's called trickery, the shy heartthrob in question isn't actually shy, he doesn't even have the realistic appearance of being shy. He stands on a stage on tour 365 days a year and is told to masquerade around with naivety. Again, the women only care that the guy is successful and "confident". If he wasn't a stage performer, and instead only carried around the "shy, naive" traits, they really wouldn't give a shit about him.

I misread what you were saying, or maybe I still am.
 

Damir Halilovic

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Damir Halilovic said:
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The bottom line is: Men are attracted to feminine traits, women are attracted to masculine traits, both physically and mentally.
Except that wasn't even true in the 50s, when that mindset was prevalent, and it hasn't got any more accurate in the last 60 years.
Hold on while I go through all the evidence and studies you linked proving your point.
 

deathzero021

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i don't think it's just women, i think it's people in general. nobody likes a whiny depressed emo boy who is always dramatic and insults them self.
 

Vegosiux

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nexus said:
It's called trickery, the shy heartthrob in question isn't actually shy, he doesn't even have the realistic appearance of being shy. He stands on a stage on tour 365 days a year and is told to masquerade around with naivety. Again, the women only care that the guy is successful and "confident". If he wasn't a stage performer, and instead only carried around the "shy, naive" traits, they really wouldn't give a shit about him.
Let me put it in form of a question, and forgive me for stereotyping.

Do teenage girls fawn over "Robert Pattinson" or "Edward Cullen"? Do teenage boys think "Sylvester Stallone" is badass, or that "Rambo" is badass?
 

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You called those two your friends? From the sounds of it, they didn't really build themselves up as quality sex material, but more like trying to cut you two down to seem relatively better and then win by default, because, you know, women can't just walk away. The women could probably smell the desperation on them.

Oh, and as soon as you said...

It's not a proven, scientific rule, but one thing I've learned in life is that people tend to demonize in others what they're most insecure about people discovering in themselves.
...I thought gay preacher. Those situations always make me chuckle.
 

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It's so annoying to see every second guy in this thread go: "it's not just women, men love confidence in their partner too". ARGHHH!! Personally i don't give a crap about confidence in a woman! Only problem i have with dating a woman with low self-confidence is that, since i have low self-confidence as well it's kinda hard to meet-up since it would be hard for both of us to make the first step.
 

Something Amyss

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Damir Halilovic said:
Hold on while I go through all the evidence and studies you linked proving your point.
Isn't it a touch hypocritical to make a big speech about how men like the feminine and women like the masculine with no linked proof or evidence, then tear me down for not providing the same? The burden of proof lies with the original affirmative claim, my friend.
 

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Katatori-kun said:
But that's the way I see so many "confident" men behaving. Because how do you show someone you're confident?
I don't think there is one thing I could point at and say "Do that around someone and they'll know you're confident." It's a totality of one's behavior. To me, confidence is defined by how we handle our insecurities. If someone allows their insecurities to run rampant to manifest in ways such as insulting themselves, poor self-esteem, etc, then that's no good. However, if someone puts an iron grip on those insecurities and effectively bottles them up, they may appear confident, but those insecurities will manifest themselves in other toxic ways, like demeaning another person to feel better about yourself or perfectionism bordering on obsessive compulsion. The key is to recognize one's insecurities, faults, and failings and to be honest with them. Change what one can and don't be shaken by what can't be changed, even go so far as to own those insecurities. If one can do that, they'll show others their confidence, as a matter of course. It's all in the prep work.

It's much easier said than done and usually involves a lot of pride swallowing, though.
 

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janjotat said:
Following everyone's definition here, confident and at he same time I lack confidence. WAT?
Probably because you're talking about "Everyone's definition". We all work from subtly, or vastly different definitions. If you take them all at once, you'll have a bad time. Although I'm not sure that the definitions are all that different.

Me personally, when I say, confidence, I mean that a person has the belief that they are competent in their skills, and believes that they are likely to succeed at their endeavours as a result.

Which is basically a poorly worded version of what you can find here:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/confidence or here http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/confidence
 

DanDeFool

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Katatori-kun said:
DanDeFool said:
It's basically a dipstick for successfulness.
Is it?

Let's look at Donald Trump. Anyone who has to get fake tanned to that shade of orange and who can't let themselves go bald gracefully clearly has insecurities, which are also pointed out by his absurd behavior and constant attention-seeking. And yet, he's the very definition of success. I'm sure a cursory examination of the celebrities in any country would bring out a whole laundry list of people who are successful yet lack confidence.

I had a classmate in high school who was the epitome of high school success. Popular, funny, extroverted, athletic... he appeared to have it all. He had friends, he had charm that could let him get away with anything from most teachers, he had women, he had money...

...Until he killed himself.

People wear masks. Confident people are no exception. Everyone has doubts. If you do not doubt yourself, you have a psychological condition called narcissism. You should seek help.
Yeah. Like I said, it's a dipstick.

Trump may be a bit childish in his public discourse, and is aging less gracefully than one might aspire to, but anyone who's that rich has to be pretty confident in their business acumen, at least.

As for your friend, people kill themselves for all kinds of reasons. Without wishing to disrespect the dead, even someone who has everything under control has some issues they just can't handle, no matter how confident they are.

A dipstick tells you if you've got oil in your vehicle, and gives you a rough measurement of how much you have. A car with plenty of oil is probably going to run better than a car with very little oil. Still, the dipstick won't tell you if you've got the right kind of oil, or if the oil needs to be changed. It certainly doesn't tell you anything about the overall state of the engine.

In other words, you didn't overthink my metaphor as much as I thought you would, and you should be ashamed of yourself. :p
 

Twilight_guy

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What do you mean all women like a confident man? Some women like submissive men. It makes them feel powerful in a world there are traditionally viewed as weak. In addition, some women like awkward geeky guys because don't come on as strong. Peoples' taste in potential partners is varied and influenced by many factors, for both genders.