Why does the universe specifically hate Scientolgy.
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If it where just people acting like total ass-clowns and worshipping aliens then I would laugh at there faces and leave it at that. But as it stands they are not and are a criminal organization. Love, Hate or don't care about $cientology you have to admit that they ARE a criminal group
If you read the stories on a literal level, they seem absurd. If you read these stories on a symbolic level, they point to deeper truths. It is possible to draw wisdom from the Bible and other spiritual texts without needing the events to have actually happened. Was there a literal Prodigal Son? Is the point of the story somehow invalidated if he was merely a character that Jesus made up?electric discordian said:
The Xenu story isn't about deeper truths, it's about power and control. And, anyway, I have no real issue with what they believe, I have issues with what they DO. I object to physical and mental abuse. I object to women being forced to have abortions. I object to people being harassed, stalked and sued for daring to criticize or speak the truth. I don't care WHAT you believe--that shit ain't ON.
Wasnt Tom Cruise's movie Valkyrie not allowed to be filmed in Germany because he was a scientologist and the germans are so against scientologists that they boycotted the filming of the movie?
Yes every nation has the right to declare a religion a cult. It was supported by German High Courts so it is no longer considered a religion and its leadership is now persona non grata.Nevins said:
This is way off topic, but so be it. Hell no. That movie was shot in the actual places that the real story took place in historically. I saw a show about it on the History Channel. They even went to the square where all the guys who were trying to kill Hitler got killed and shit. The Germans may just forgive Cruise for everything because of that movie. It is the one shining part of German history from WWII where some Germans did not disagree and run way from Hitler. These guys disagreed and died for it. Those men are heroes.Flap Jack452 said:
They are not heroes what a load of bollocks they were a bunch of Prussian Elitists who got mad because Hitler hated the Prussian Aristocracy. Fuckin von Stauffenberg was a whiner who suddenly became a fake hero. The dude refused multiple assassination attempts against Hitler because he thought it was foolish. It wasn't till his dumb ass got crippled in North Africa that he became bitter and blamed Hitler for crippling him. The whole damn thing was just a bunch of Elitist Prussians who didn't want to lose another war and look like idiots again just like they did during WWI. Valkyrie made me sick it made heroes of men who cared only about their image and their own egos.axia777 said:
Your argument is fallacious. Essentially you are saying that for every wrong or distasteful element in Scientology you could find some variant of some religion that did that ergo all religions are just as bad. However that's actually irrelevant since some of these things may be intrinsic to Scientology but not intrinsic to other religions. Soelectric discordian said:
you could easily have someone with an internally consistent set of criteria which some subset of religious passes and others fail.
You've also engaged in some equivocation and have made some statements which you are unlikely in a position to support.
I'd expect something more cogent even from a discordian! ;-)
Here we go again. As for hate against scientologists, it has more to do with the number of celebrities embracing the church and that all so typical "hate the big dog" attitude of most people.
Now, Before I read one more response on this thread and become inevitably enraged, religion is a horrible point of discussion on these forums it always leads to ignorant and rude comments that would not have resulted otherwise. These topics are some of the largest points of tension on these forums.
Note the constant: "that goes for all religions" that is being thrown into every other post just to make sure said posters get there yahtzee driven poke in that a focus on Scientology would not allow.
For 2009 I encourage all members of the escapist to avoid topics like this and avoid commenting in them.
There are many forums that are built for and encourage this type of discussion, let them have it.
Now, Before I read one more response on this thread and become inevitably enraged, religion is a horrible point of discussion on these forums it always leads to ignorant and rude comments that would not have resulted otherwise. These topics are some of the largest points of tension on these forums.
Note the constant: "that goes for all religions" that is being thrown into every other post just to make sure said posters get there yahtzee driven poke in that a focus on Scientology would not allow.
For 2009 I encourage all members of the escapist to avoid topics like this and avoid commenting in them.
There are many forums that are built for and encourage this type of discussion, let them have it.
Christianity was founded by a guy who preached forgiveness and reconciliation, Buddhism was founded by a guy who saw suffering in his world and wanted to learn how to stop it, Islam was founded by a guy who saw an oppressive rule over his people and wanted to stop it, Scientology is founded by a guy who is quoted to have founded his religion only for money and is known to exploit his followers simply for money and personal gain.
I don't care about the actual belief structure. I hope my point speaks for itself.
I don't care about the actual belief structure. I hope my point speaks for itself.
Scientology was invented by an atheist science fiction writer by the name of L. Ron Hubbard who made a wager that religion is so stupid he could make one up, write a book about it, and sell that book; eventually, it would be a religion. He won his wager. Scientology is hated because it was written in the recent past by an atheist. Also, in Scientology, the more money donated to its church, the likelier you are to go to Heaven. No charity, just purchase.
