Why does Valve treat console owners like Second Class Citizens?
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They've said directly it's due to the memory limitations of the 360 and M$ not letting them release the DLC for free.
Because Valve knows that the real market is computer gaming, console are light years behind and always will be.
Treated the way they should be, like homosexuals in Germany in the later 1930's and early '40's.
My knowledge is that Valve doesn't really like developing for Consoles, nor do they make their games with consoles in mind; however, because the PC and 360 are so similar, they have decided that they might as well release their games for the 360 as well. Because they are a PC developer, though, they do not support their consoles releases as well as they do with the PC.
NOTE- I am fully aware that The Orange Box was released for the PS3 as well. I'm glad that Valve went out of their way to do special work to port it to Sony's monolith.
NOTE- I am fully aware that The Orange Box was released for the PS3 as well. I'm glad that Valve went out of their way to do special work to port it to Sony's monolith.
Actually they just outsourced that job to EA.SuperMse said:
But yeah, they aren't exactly a huge company and their real moneymaker has and continues to be PC Gaming, so why fix what isn't broke.
exactly. the pc version is much easier to support and microsoft and the play station network are a pain in the ass to deal with when it comes to patching a game. left 4 dead proved that.Dr.Sean said:
Not to be a dick.
But fuck you and your unwarranted self importance. You want to get a TF2 update? Support Valve properly by buying their games on Steam. Oh what's that? You and your immense piles of games want to play one game by a developer with a team so small you can more than likely count them on your incredibly fat fingers and toes? BOO. FUCKING. HOO.
You remind me of the people who buy hot coffee, and cry when they spill it all over themselves when they're driving. The world doesn't revolve around you and your stupidity. Get over yourself.
But fuck you and your unwarranted self importance. You want to get a TF2 update? Support Valve properly by buying their games on Steam. Oh what's that? You and your immense piles of games want to play one game by a developer with a team so small you can more than likely count them on your incredibly fat fingers and toes? BOO. FUCKING. HOO.
You remind me of the people who buy hot coffee, and cry when they spill it all over themselves when they're driving. The world doesn't revolve around you and your stupidity. Get over yourself.
I assume by that you mean play games by constantly getting error messages because your graphics drivers aren't up to date.Glefistus said:
Seriously though, this PC elitism has nothing to do with the central issue, TF2 when it was initially released had a large number of bugs and glitches such as the gate glitch on dustbowl, they fixed that very, very early on for PC surely fixing the pre-existing maps isn't that hard.
If anything I would have thought that the group of gamers who all use exactly the same hardware on relatively controlled network would have been easier to support than the group with the disparate hardware needs and as such would have made a perfect control group upon which to test new updates.
oh come on PC gets far less love from developers on the whole even with a 6 month delay GTA4 performed like it was coded by monkeys and came with pointless rockstar social club programs to even allow you to play the game or EA giving us Activation limits.
Valve doesn't like consoles because they do not fit their market strategy Vavle on the PC can produce whatever they like and own their own method of content delivery which most developers don't have (more of a publisher thing)
Consoles require validation of any softwear and then often either force you to charge money which they will take a cut of or you have Sony asking developers to pay for the bandwidth being used to download their updates.
Valve does not need those companies to survive so it makes little sence to subject themselves to their rules unlike most developers whom if the big 3 didn't allow them to publish for their console they would no longer have a business.
Valve doesn't like consoles because they do not fit their market strategy Vavle on the PC can produce whatever they like and own their own method of content delivery which most developers don't have (more of a publisher thing)
Consoles require validation of any softwear and then often either force you to charge money which they will take a cut of or you have Sony asking developers to pay for the bandwidth being used to download their updates.
Valve does not need those companies to survive so it makes little sence to subject themselves to their rules unlike most developers whom if the big 3 didn't allow them to publish for their console they would no longer have a business.
Disparate hardware isn't really a problem because the coding stays excatly the same because they all use the same API's and valves game are a joke to even years old hardware in terms of requirmentsJohnSmith said:
The simple reason why Xbox is not getting the updates, or at least until all 9 classes are finished, is because they can't make continuous large updates due to limited hard drive space, Microsoft doesn't want to force people to buy larger hard drives in order to use content they already payed for due to required patching.
EA, due to their massive size, were allowed to host their own servers giving them more control over their content etc. This allows them to release updates as they will etc without much interference from Microsoft. With other developers however Microsoft basically enforces strictish rules on updates and forces many developers into charging for their updates. Anyone remember when Epic released their Map Packs for GoW; they promised they would be free, but Epic were effectively forced into charging consumers (albeit, only for 6 months as the price for the Map Pack was temporary) because Microsoft knew they would get a healthy sum of money from the transactions.scnj said:
I'm sorry, but shouldn't the guys at Valve decide whatever they want to do with their games?
They shouldn't have to listen to whiny, spoilt brats like yourselves. If you want to play their games, buy a the platform it was fucking made for. Yes, I am what you call a "PC elitist" but at least I can spell correctly, something I daresay you cannot do.
Furthermore, we barely complain when we get a game badly ported from a console. Yes, I'm looking at you, Assassin's Creed. But that's okay because we know it's a port, and is not going to be the prime concern for its developers. However, you console fanboy twats complain about Valve not updating their games on your platform nearly every other fucking day. I saw a thread just like this yesterday! Whatever happened to the search bar, people?
But I digress. The point is that if you want to play a game to the best of its potential, buy the platform it was made for. If you want to complain that your console doesn't have these updates, suck it up. Hell, we do it all the time.
They shouldn't have to listen to whiny, spoilt brats like yourselves. If you want to play their games, buy a the platform it was fucking made for. Yes, I am what you call a "PC elitist" but at least I can spell correctly, something I daresay you cannot do.
Furthermore, we barely complain when we get a game badly ported from a console. Yes, I'm looking at you, Assassin's Creed. But that's okay because we know it's a port, and is not going to be the prime concern for its developers. However, you console fanboy twats complain about Valve not updating their games on your platform nearly every other fucking day. I saw a thread just like this yesterday! Whatever happened to the search bar, people?
But I digress. The point is that if you want to play a game to the best of its potential, buy the platform it was made for. If you want to complain that your console doesn't have these updates, suck it up. Hell, we do it all the time.
