Why doesn't England go Lib Dem?
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Unfortunately this is that case, I personally will vote lib dem because the other major parties have shown themselves to be incompetent however I have heard my friends saying that the only reason they won't vote lib dem is that "it is throwing away" their vote!tk1989 said:
You got to it before mefreakyHippo said:
I laughed when I saw all those lies in one paragraph.
I'm voting Tory next election. New Labour is nothing but failure after failure, and Lib Dem's are a joke, whatever policies the other two come up with, they just aim for the middle. Wasted vote.
What annoys me is the stupid Bank of England. For some reason Labour put them in charge of the economy, while they were supposed to be independent they were anything but. They turned out to be completely ineffectual against outrageous economic behaviour by the banks and other financial institutions.
In 2003 they decided to switch the inflation measure from the RPI to the CPI so they didn't have to put interest rates up to control RPI inflation. While this would have reduced growth (basically why they did it) the result was uncontrolled and essentially false 'growth'. We're now experiencing the fallout of this, a recession, or more accurately a correction.
Now we see that they are dropping interest rates to handle the RPI instead of the CPI which they should be doing. while the RPI is at -0.4 (something which the media keep going on about) the CPI is at 2.9%. The target for the CPI is 2% and that should be their target.
Rather than switching inflation measure to fiddle the books they should have been paying attention and regulating. Had they stuck to the RPI they would have increased interest rates and slowed house price rises which all this debt was based on. As they switched to the CPI they should have increased regulations on mortgages and other borrowing.
More importantly they should have been tougher on the amount of levels of liquidity banks had to uphold, they should have been banned from going to wholesale markets for credit. Focusing on stopping short selling, requiring a minimum of 90% LTV for mortgages.
Basically they cocked it up because they were too busy being pushed around by the City and the Government. This is all Labour's fault and the outrageous corruption with the City pushing this false growth and lining MP's pockets.
If you think the conservatives are better then more fool you. They are even more corrupt, taking private jets to go and more the appallingly anti-democratic and highly influential Rupert Murdoch. Feel free to vote them in if you want to see even more corruption to oil the wheels of government.
In 2003 they decided to switch the inflation measure from the RPI to the CPI so they didn't have to put interest rates up to control RPI inflation. While this would have reduced growth (basically why they did it) the result was uncontrolled and essentially false 'growth'. We're now experiencing the fallout of this, a recession, or more accurately a correction.
Now we see that they are dropping interest rates to handle the RPI instead of the CPI which they should be doing. while the RPI is at -0.4 (something which the media keep going on about) the CPI is at 2.9%. The target for the CPI is 2% and that should be their target.
Rather than switching inflation measure to fiddle the books they should have been paying attention and regulating. Had they stuck to the RPI they would have increased interest rates and slowed house price rises which all this debt was based on. As they switched to the CPI they should have increased regulations on mortgages and other borrowing.
More importantly they should have been tougher on the amount of levels of liquidity banks had to uphold, they should have been banned from going to wholesale markets for credit. Focusing on stopping short selling, requiring a minimum of 90% LTV for mortgages.
Basically they cocked it up because they were too busy being pushed around by the City and the Government. This is all Labour's fault and the outrageous corruption with the City pushing this false growth and lining MP's pockets.
If you think the conservatives are better then more fool you. They are even more corrupt, taking private jets to go and more the appallingly anti-democratic and highly influential Rupert Murdoch. Feel free to vote them in if you want to see even more corruption to oil the wheels of government.
Here's how I summed it up the other day. Out of the three main parties in the UK, Labour will always be hated when in government because they do what they think the public wants, then cock it up. The Conservatives will always be hated when in power because they do what is actually right, or appears to be right, but because some high ups lose their lower tax rates and stuff and they get rid of the whole "spending other people's money" sort of thing, they become unpopular. And the Lib Dems will be hated when (if) they ever go into power, because they're a load of crap who nobody gives a flying fuck about.
Basically, the Lib Dems have loads of policies they think are great, but when you look at the fine print the numbers don't add up. A bit like Labour, except the Lib Dems don't try as hard in the popularity contest...
Basically, the Lib Dems have loads of policies they think are great, but when you look at the fine print the numbers don't add up. A bit like Labour, except the Lib Dems don't try as hard in the popularity contest...
HA! Only because they had such little choice! They were completely opposed to it[/quote] Even after the demonstration of how important women are to society during the Great War.freakyHippo said:
Offering universal education in the late 19th Century is a lot more impressive than significant resistance to basic democratic rights for women.
To anyone at any age politics is an impenetrable mess. I didn't understand any of it, I only really cared about social justice and civil liberties hence the choice was obvious, Lib Dems.02cfranklin said:
Tbh though they all tend to cock it up in the end, something so massive as a government will have endless problems.
With English politics being what they are, LibDem are the best of a bad bunch, from the top three. Labour are just a farce, the Tories are Tories, so that just leaves LibDem.
But, with the increased homogenisation of the political parties, I find myself increasingly convinced that the Official Monster Raving Loony Party is the way to go. They can't do a worse job than Labour, and at least it'll be a laugh.
But, with the increased homogenisation of the political parties, I find myself increasingly convinced that the Official Monster Raving Loony Party is the way to go. They can't do a worse job than Labour, and at least it'll be a laugh.
The big problem is, all the parties will raise taxes, in some way, as has been shown by the Tories constantly bleating about Labour's 'stealth' taxes.
The mistake the Lib Dems keep making is they keep being honest about what they want to do.
Stop it! Lie like a *****, tell everyone lower taxes, better healthcare, you'll throw all the immigrants out, and nuke the french, say anything that gets the Mail and Sun readers on your side, then do what you like once you're in power.
Also part of the problem is, that while I know I liked what either Vince Cable or Nick Clegg said when I heard him on radio, I can't for the life of me remember which one of them it was.
Sadly politics is partly about celebrity and personality, and they shot themself in the foot electing Menzies, presumably after digging him up and performing a ritual, what was he, 83?
Also, it'd be nice if the mooing masses didn't base their whole voting choice on what yesterday's newspaper headlines were, we need to remember that the UK media are notoriously right wing, with the Daily Mail known for going as far as supporting...well, we don't need to invoke Godwin's law, without there being an angry argument going on.
I'll reiterate one of my favourite points about politics and the media however.
If there's a party leader out there, who can improve public services, keep us out of illegal wars, lower taxes, lower crime, and all he wants to do is blow a goat two or three times a week, well, I'm voting for him over the moral 'Family man' who's either a fuckwit or on the take.
I don't much care about someone's sexuality, if they're doing a better job than the guy who's all morally pure. People taking bribes is far more relevant to someone's ability to a job as a politician than who or what they happen to want to stick it in. OF course, these things can leave people open to blackmail, but in my world, they'd be known as a goatblower before getting voted in to fix the country.
The mistake the Lib Dems keep making is they keep being honest about what they want to do.
Stop it! Lie like a *****, tell everyone lower taxes, better healthcare, you'll throw all the immigrants out, and nuke the french, say anything that gets the Mail and Sun readers on your side, then do what you like once you're in power.
Also part of the problem is, that while I know I liked what either Vince Cable or Nick Clegg said when I heard him on radio, I can't for the life of me remember which one of them it was.
Sadly politics is partly about celebrity and personality, and they shot themself in the foot electing Menzies, presumably after digging him up and performing a ritual, what was he, 83?
Also, it'd be nice if the mooing masses didn't base their whole voting choice on what yesterday's newspaper headlines were, we need to remember that the UK media are notoriously right wing, with the Daily Mail known for going as far as supporting...well, we don't need to invoke Godwin's law, without there being an angry argument going on.
I'll reiterate one of my favourite points about politics and the media however.
If there's a party leader out there, who can improve public services, keep us out of illegal wars, lower taxes, lower crime, and all he wants to do is blow a goat two or three times a week, well, I'm voting for him over the moral 'Family man' who's either a fuckwit or on the take.
I don't much care about someone's sexuality, if they're doing a better job than the guy who's all morally pure. People taking bribes is far more relevant to someone's ability to a job as a politician than who or what they happen to want to stick it in. OF course, these things can leave people open to blackmail, but in my world, they'd be known as a goatblower before getting voted in to fix the country.