Why Final Fantasy 7
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Not to mention the sexiest FF man ever. I like my men brooding and not quite human.grimsprice said:
Well, I just grossed myself out.
Anyway OT: Great story, good characters (all of the Turks cancel out Yuffie), fantastic music, fun to play, interesting but not too complicated magic system, and also it was my first RPG.
But don't listen to my opinion. I liked XII!!
To each his own, yes?
As both III and VI come before VII I win thank you for proving my point.(and showing me that roman numerals should be used sparingly)kyosai7 said:
There where a few people who said 7 was the first to use the future with swords, FF had been doing that since at least that game.*my point*
I believe it was because for most people, it was their first experience of the Final Fantasy series, so years down the line, the fact that it was their first FF game coupled with the good old nostalgia filled rose-tinted glasses, it gets the most hype and the most love.
Really, the story wasn't all that original, it was fairly predictable and whilst it had some likeable characters (What can I say, I fucking love Reno), it was just a bit...Well. Boring really, however, I will say that some good came from the VII Chronicle, Crisis Core and Advent Children being two of the greatest things since ever.
I've watched AC so many times that the dialogue is ingrained in my mind and I played Crisis Core for the same amount of time as I played Fallout 3, and that was 300 hours.
Still, FFVII itself...Meh, I could take it or leave it, now IX on the other hand...
Really, the story wasn't all that original, it was fairly predictable and whilst it had some likeable characters (What can I say, I fucking love Reno), it was just a bit...Well. Boring really, however, I will say that some good came from the VII Chronicle, Crisis Core and Advent Children being two of the greatest things since ever.
I've watched AC so many times that the dialogue is ingrained in my mind and I played Crisis Core for the same amount of time as I played Fallout 3, and that was 300 hours.
Still, FFVII itself...Meh, I could take it or leave it, now IX on the other hand...
No prob. I can't take credit for it, but here's where it came from:Sonofadiddly said:
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You should get a kick out of that.
What was so bad about the gameplay? and for the sake of being dark thats like saying Cloud being emo for the sake of being emo or mario being Italian for the sake of being Italian (plus last time I checked the Italians don't have any other big heroes)kyosai7 said:
I don't love you anymore.Heart of Darkness said:
Just kidding! Hahahah five Wakkas! I hated that game. Enjoy!
It took an existing 2D formula and made it 3D. See also: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 64.
Aw. If you weren't joking, I would've been sad. But you are, so it's all good.Sonofadiddly said:
And I shall. Hopefully. So far, nothing can surpass the craptacular FFIII in my book. Well...at least as far as FF is concerned.
much agreed on this, it doesn't give you complete control but it gives you more than enough and man its fun too to build different character types and the materia system is the best by far, i think thats why i have such a strong distaste for ff8 is becuz they went away from thisgrimsprice said:
and this. this song and sephiroth give me chills of adrenaline beyond belief, and yes ff6 fanboys before you jump on this i have played 6 and kefka is ruthless and powerful, but man he is not badass looking at all compared to sephiroth and the music doesn't compare to one winged angelJohnnyallstar said:
I never quite understood why materia is so popular; to me it only makes every character interchangeable with one another. FFVII is actually one of my least favorite FFs (IX-X-VI-VIII-IV-V-XII-VII-III-I-II)
Sweet lord, so many people counter-arguing for the sake of counter-arguing. Twisted Metal coming up as an example against the idea of a character dying for the remainder of the story? Really? Did you even consider that the people you take out in any stage have a tendency to come back in another level? Or the lives system?
Who cares if someone dies in a game, because people die in every game? Obviously people are missing something, so I'm going to at least try to explain that calmly. No one cares if random NPC #97 dies, because you have no clue who the hell that is. Aeris on the other hand is pretty much the first female character you meet in the entire game (save for Jessie), you wind up spending a lot of time with her (going on a date with her, etc.), all this stuff going to lead you to believe that she and Cloud are meant entirely for each other. Even with the love triangle between those two and Tifa, the one who really did seem to have more of Cloud's heart was Aeris.
...And then Sephiroth suddenly jumps down and stabs her. Literally one game-segment after it's implied that she and Cloud are meant for each other.
Even on a game replay, with you knowing that Aeris will die, seeing all the stuff she does with Cloud again gives it a Romeo and Juliet feel. A tragic piece of dramatic irony from you, the player, knowing that all these happy moments will abruptly end far before the game does.
On a different note.
You call out JRPGs for a lack of realism, and then state that in a WRPG, you stay dead upon taking too many stabs to the chest. You were just proven wrong by how in Diablo, you quite literally respawn, with the opportunity to go back and retrieve all the stuff you dropped no less. Even then you say "That sounds pretty dead to me." Well, maybe I've got something wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that walking around and being able to go back and grab stuff is most certainly not dead.
Also, don't even think of playing the realism card. You're talking up games that let you shoot magical lightning out of your fingertips. Before you mention Fallout, nuclear weapons that somehow turn people into super-powered mutants as opposed to one's face falling off.
To nitpick, how is a vault full of people named Bob a better plot point than the Matrix?
In any case, this line particularly infuriated me. I've dropped the "I refuse to argue further line" after stating a bunch of crap, and I got called out on it. To be fair, it was a pretty arrogant thing to say, but the use of "will have to agree to disagree" sounds even more arrogant. It makes me believe that you've never seen a Japanese storyline that you've bought into simply because you refuse to give those stories a chance.
Random verbal sucker-punch: You also probably get told to shut up after 30 minutes of nitpicking because either you're pointing out crap that is either superfluous or hypocritical on your part (e.g. I can carry five cars in my backpack because I'm wearing Power Armor in Fallout, but your giant swords are super-unrealistic.), or because if you were actually playing for those 30 minutes, the plot-holes you've been whining about may have been filled for you.
(EDIT: I knew I missed a quote tag somewhere...)
Who cares if someone dies in a game, because people die in every game? Obviously people are missing something, so I'm going to at least try to explain that calmly. No one cares if random NPC #97 dies, because you have no clue who the hell that is. Aeris on the other hand is pretty much the first female character you meet in the entire game (save for Jessie), you wind up spending a lot of time with her (going on a date with her, etc.), all this stuff going to lead you to believe that she and Cloud are meant entirely for each other. Even with the love triangle between those two and Tifa, the one who really did seem to have more of Cloud's heart was Aeris.
It's also only thanks to her that, for example, the world gets saved at the end of the game because she, as the last surviving Cetra, was the only one who could summon Holy and stop Sephiroth/Meteor.
Even on a game replay, with you knowing that Aeris will die, seeing all the stuff she does with Cloud again gives it a Romeo and Juliet feel. A tragic piece of dramatic irony from you, the player, knowing that all these happy moments will abruptly end far before the game does.
On a different note.
Are you fucking listening to yourself?mooseodeath said:
You call out JRPGs for a lack of realism, and then state that in a WRPG, you stay dead upon taking too many stabs to the chest. You were just proven wrong by how in Diablo, you quite literally respawn, with the opportunity to go back and retrieve all the stuff you dropped no less. Even then you say "That sounds pretty dead to me." Well, maybe I've got something wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that walking around and being able to go back and grab stuff is most certainly not dead.
Also, don't even think of playing the realism card. You're talking up games that let you shoot magical lightning out of your fingertips. Before you mention Fallout, nuclear weapons that somehow turn people into super-powered mutants as opposed to one's face falling off.
Story is entirely told through your actions. That's why you absolutely have to enter the Matrix to progress the story. I don't know about you, but that sounds like a fixed narrative to me. Also, re-stating something that the previous poster said already as if he didn't know the purpose? I suppose you also figured that he misinterpreted his own opinion.
To nitpick, how is a vault full of people named Bob a better plot point than the Matrix?
To further nitpick, who are you to talk about plot ridiculousness when you said a vault full of people named Bob is a good plot point?
In any case, this line particularly infuriated me. I've dropped the "I refuse to argue further line" after stating a bunch of crap, and I got called out on it. To be fair, it was a pretty arrogant thing to say, but the use of "will have to agree to disagree" sounds even more arrogant. It makes me believe that you've never seen a Japanese storyline that you've bought into simply because you refuse to give those stories a chance.
Random verbal sucker-punch: You also probably get told to shut up after 30 minutes of nitpicking because either you're pointing out crap that is either superfluous or hypocritical on your part (e.g. I can carry five cars in my backpack because I'm wearing Power Armor in Fallout, but your giant swords are super-unrealistic.), or because if you were actually playing for those 30 minutes, the plot-holes you've been whining about may have been filled for you.
(EDIT: I knew I missed a quote tag somewhere...)
The sidequests were very nice. The story was confusing as fuck all, but then again, this is Final Fantasy. ALL of the stories are like that.
Cloud was a whiny little turd, Aeris was a bimbo, and Barrett looked like he just left band practice with the Village People, sooo not much in terms of character development. But the gameplay is fun, and it's a bit satisfying to hit Sephiroth square in the gonads with Bahamut ZERO eight times in a row.
However, VIII is NOT AND NEVER WILL BE GOOD CHRIST ALMIGHTY YOU CAN'T EVEN USE SPELLS AND SQUALL IS EVEN MORE EMO AND FULL OF EXISTENTIALIST BS THAN CLOUD COULD EVER FIT IN HIS PINKY FINGER. IX was cute and lighthearted and fun, if you exclude the last five hours of the story... And X, while notorious for its horrific voice acting, hosts one of the most addictive leveling systems known to man. Seriously, the sphere grid was fun stuff.
HOWEVER, it is the original Final Fantasy Tactics for the PS One that is MY personal favorite. The gameplay is fun, the story is intriguing and full of something OTHER than an identity crisis, and it has a nice learning curve. Throw in a ton of sidequests and the beautiful beautiful job class system and you have the BEST final fantasy game.
Cloud was a whiny little turd, Aeris was a bimbo, and Barrett looked like he just left band practice with the Village People, sooo not much in terms of character development. But the gameplay is fun, and it's a bit satisfying to hit Sephiroth square in the gonads with Bahamut ZERO eight times in a row.
However, VIII is NOT AND NEVER WILL BE GOOD CHRIST ALMIGHTY YOU CAN'T EVEN USE SPELLS AND SQUALL IS EVEN MORE EMO AND FULL OF EXISTENTIALIST BS THAN CLOUD COULD EVER FIT IN HIS PINKY FINGER. IX was cute and lighthearted and fun, if you exclude the last five hours of the story... And X, while notorious for its horrific voice acting, hosts one of the most addictive leveling systems known to man. Seriously, the sphere grid was fun stuff.
HOWEVER, it is the original Final Fantasy Tactics for the PS One that is MY personal favorite. The gameplay is fun, the story is intriguing and full of something OTHER than an identity crisis, and it has a nice learning curve. Throw in a ton of sidequests and the beautiful beautiful job class system and you have the BEST final fantasy game.