Why I Hate Halo (among other games)

[Dr. Win]

What the hell is "Mario *C*art" and what the hell is it doing on your list?

Sorry about that. I edited it.
Mario Cart is on the list for the simple reason that I CANNOT beat a single Asian person online.
If you ever log in to Mario Cart and play online and you see someone from Japan, Rage quit IMMEDIATELY. That is why it is on the list.

So you hate games because you can't win?
Isn't that a little bit childish?

Also it seems like you hate games just because of their multiplayer component, which I would not encourage.

 

[That Greek Guy]

its so funny that absolutely no one talks about halo's campaign anymore.
i never had xboxlive untill halo 3 and i was doing the same thing with my friends.
every saturday i invited them over and we played halo 2 for hours and hours but no matter how much time we spent on the multiplayer we could never reach the time we spent on co op.
i have finished the game 5 times. Each time with a different person and i never got bored of it.
The reason i dont like halo 3 is just that. The campaign was very rushed and bad paced. What i am trying to say is that i (for some reason) look at the halo games from the singleplayer perspective. And thats why i dont bitche and moan about getting my ass handed on multiplayer. if i dont like the multiplayer for ANY reason i look at the singleplayer. And if that also sucks THEN i dislike the game.

 

[Da Chi]

Mario Kart? Mario Kart?

Mario Kart is the most noob friendly multiplayer game I've ever played.

This can be negated quite a bit by teaming up the worst player with the best, then have the other 2 square off against them.

Chopped a bit.
Ok seriously, lay off the Mario Kart thing. I suck at it. I know I suck at it. It's my opinion. I've never been good at Mario Kart since the SNES game came out. I've played all of them and I suck at ALL of them. I don't know what it is, but I kinda thought maybe someone was as bad as I am at it. Somewhere out there that could agree with me.

And the Halo match ended up as a three versus 1 match. Final score 25-2.
I think you may be right about the friends I'm playing against though

 

[Simon Pettersson]

This is actually 1 of the reasons I don´t really like most multiplayer games.
Not that im bad at it, but people often flaming, insulting and boast about beating you.
It takes the fun out of the game before you can be good at it.

 

[Da Chi]

As for the other games you did not really justify them. Why do you hate WoW and Mario Cart?

Well WoW, is entirely endgame content. Everyone I've talked to refers to leveling as a grind and the "Game" as a a lot of fun. They later explained when you are top level you get EVERYTHING cool that you can't do early on. It's not about being good at the game, it's about working your ass off at WOW to get to the point where you can have fun.
And if you want to know about Mario Kart, just read some of my other posts. I think I've made it clear

 

[Da Chi]

What the hell is "Mario *C*art" and what the hell is it doing on your list?

You're kidding, right?

Mario Kart (yes, it's spelled with a 'K', like Mortal 'Kombat'). Is the original 'Go Kart Racing' game. It's hard to get into because it's possible to perform some difficult gameplay exploits (e.g. blue sparks), and people who have mastered those exploits are impossible to beat playing normally.

Pst. I spelled KART wrong at first and that person was helpfully correcting me. I'm the dumbass here.

 

[Da Chi]

What the hell is "Mario *C*art" and what the hell is it doing on your list?

Sorry to tell you, but it is spelled with a k.

OT:

Spoiler

Seriously. This applies to any game ever.

*Facepalm* Sorry, that's my bad. I spelled it "cart" at first. That person was kind enough to correct me and I edited it. You are now free to flame my poor spelling skills.

 

[Inco]

That applies to everything fella. It's called 'practice makes perfect'. It seems what you're annoyed at is that before online you and your friends would all play a game at the same time and therefore gain game experience at roughly the same level. Now with online a few people can play said game every evening, quickly out-performing those that play once a week.

That's not Halo's fault; and if you think about it it's not even the fault of online MP. Imagine a group of friends similar to your scenario, but some able to play a couple of times a week and others only once a month - the same disparity of skill level would begin to display itself in that group too.

This post has my full agreement. You have to expect that the person who plays more is going to win, as we dont just practice games to sit at the same skill level.

Hell, at my LAN nights we gloat at each other just cause we can.
I gloat about how much i steamroll everyone. They gloat about how they caught me off guard and secured a satisfying kill. We dont let the varying skill levels affect the terms of play, hell, we even watch replays and laugh at some crap that happens in our FFA's.

 

[VulakAerr]

Don't hate the game, hate the player. To qualify, it sounds like the person you're playing with, who trounced you, is a bit of a prick. When you all stop playing with him, maybe he'll think twice about being such a bad winner in future?

I'm just sayin'.

 

[SilverUchiha]

I'm actually in agreement with the OP. I can't stand Halo simply because most of my experiences playing it is with at least one person in the group who outright slaughters the other three players. I don't like dual-analog controls, so learning to use them is a bastard. Throw in that someone has played this nearly every day for the past few years into the mix and its a recipe for me wanting to punch someone in the face.

More than that though, after I bought the PC version (because I have no desire to buy an Xbox) I can say that even playing the single player is a nuisance because of the constant carting around of NPC retards who don't get out of the vehicle to help me infiltrate bases or anything. And I'm also the one forced to drive all the time. So I never get to use the fun turret or ride shotgun.

Simply put, every aspect of the Halo games either bores me to death or frustrates me to no end (don't get me started on my attempts to work with the PC version of Halo 2... bad port or not, controls just pissed me off).

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

OP, you have earned my respect.

Even though I am a halo fanboy, I respect that you have a legitimate reason for not liking it.

What you experienced is what happens if you jump straight into the commpetivitve part of it.

If you had played a few customs on coagulation, fooled around, then jumped into matchingmaking, i'd bet you'd be just like me.

The campagin gives you a basic grasp of the game, customs with friends allows you to hoen your devolping skills, and matchmaking tests those skills.

Give the series another try.

Saddly, the best place to start was custom games in halo 2, which is no longer a option unless you host a LAN party.

 

[jak_of_bees]

You don't like the game 'cause your not as good as everyone else? Really? I find that a really poor excuse. Online multiplayer is full of people who are always going to be better and in many cases thrash you at any game. Halo I believe is one of the most accessible shooter with gametypes that aren't just about Deathmatch, maybe try custom games and firefights with your friends or even co-op campaign. There's more to Halo then Team Slayer as with moat games.

 

[Vankraken]

I rather dislike Halo but not because of the multiplayer part but because #2 and #3 story feels like they where inspired by fan fiction (SPOILER: the part about pushing a bomb out of the ship into space at an enemy ship and using the blast to push himself back onto the original ship was when everything started going down hill.)
More to the topic of semi competitive multiplayer i think all games have entry to barrier that can intimidate new players from wanting to play. The only games that really lack this barrier are games which insane game mechanics that are so random/pointless that a noob can spam buttons and do just as well as a "pro". The other more reasonable situation that is noob friendly is ranked multiplayer which helps put newer and lesser skilled players into the same matches instead of getting matched against a pro / organized team.

On the subject of WoW: Either you like the gameplay of a game or you don't and for many people the format of a MMO is not their cup of tea. Not sure how this gets lumped into the argument of Halo being noon unfriendly as WoW is rather new player friendly with its simplistic gameplay and tons of tutorial help tips they added in a few content patches ago.

All multiplayer games are going to reward the skilled over the unskilled because if they didn't then they would all be mario party (holy crap that game is so random and pointless)

 

[Haydyn]

Guitar Hero is the biggest one imo. But as far as Halo, I guess it's just a side effect of getting to play online. I don't play Tekken 6 online because the people on there are too good in comparsion to me, who had only played Tekken casually for years.

 

[iLikeHippos]

You do realize Halo today has far more than multi-player at its disposal? You could firefight, forge and play custom games.

I've made three slayer maps that are, in my own opinion, plain awesome as I try replicate standard tactics and placements in them. Forging has been half of my Halo experience, basically. And It's kind of fun.

But, than there are the games with SOLELY multi-player, in which case, you'll have to keep up with the others to see the fun.
But, that depends. Do you like a serious competition? If not, don't bother with it.

 

[Trolldor]

Five bucks says I'm going to catch a lot of trouble for this but it needs to be said.

For starters though, I'm going to have to say I don't hate all Halos. I love the first Halo game. I still have fond memories of playing with my friends. A few of them had X-Boxes and they would invite people over to play four player split screen. Myself included.
I never owned an X-box. But in those days, you were playing against other people who don't have x-boxes at a person's house who likely only plays X-Box when friends are around because... Well there was no online. Period. This made the game fun. The level of entry was set pretty low and everyone just wanted to have some fun and maybe take turns goofing around with the warthog.

But then came Halo 2 and with it X-Box live. My friend got the game and invited me over to play one day. I had some trouble figuring out the new tweaks to the gameplay as my friend steamrolled me across the scoreboard. No big deal. I'm a noob, he owns the game, but I'll figure it out. So after a few lame losses I went home broken and defeated. A little later a different friend got a small group of folks together to play a halo 2 round. A few more people, most of whom don't own X-Boxes, should make the loss at least a little more even. Right?

Nope, the owner of the X-Box killed us all in glorious excess. And even gloated about it. At this point I turned on Halo as a game. Sure, it is a competitive game. It is designed to be a challenge but let's face it. If I don't OWN an X-Box and play Halo on a regular basis, it's hard to get into it. It's an all or nothing game. You have to play it, you have to get good at it. Otherwise you are wasting your time.

Now this can be said about a lot of games but a few like Halo really kill me when I try to enjoy a good game. So I want to list off some games that just push you to be better than other people rather than just to play the game.

Three worst contenders
Halo
Mario Kart
World of Warcraft

If you're not the best at it. You might as well just give up and not bother.

Any games I missed that aren't about the game, it's about being the best at the game. List em here.

I don't get it...

It's a bad game because you aren't as good as someone who plays online against better players?

I lol'd.

Your entire judgement is based off the fact that people who own the game and verse human players regularly are better than you.

 

[Wondermint13]

I'm agreeing!
Halo 2 was an all or nothing game. It was too easy to predict spawing locations, tactics/maps, so people who spent enough time playing could dance through each stage. Or simply take advantage of the lack of balance it had..
The vehicals are only put in place for (i'm sorry) people who are too stupid to aim a gun or last longer than 5 seconds on the battle field... so instead they get given these awful to drive vehicals that allow players with no talent to run over other players who have enough guts to fire the damn weapon they were given. As for flying vehicles... 'cluck cluck cluck... come down here and take me on fair and square'

As a side note, try a rocket launcher only match - skill suddenly becomes a lot less important.

This too.. I dont know how many times -in any multiplayer shooter- somebody decided to blow up the whole area im standing on because he's too shit to aim a gun at me..

Never played Mario Karts

And WoW.. hmm.. Its no so much talent but more if you have enough time and enough friends with the same lonely lifestyle, are you allowed to progress in that game.
People with loving families, kids, jobs and enough friends to enjoy fresh air with, can not benefit as much from WoW.

I see your point though, games lately are rewarding those who spend half their life playing them, rather the simply being a game that everybody can switch on a play without the fear of being torn to peices.
Great Thread, thanks!

 

[Trolldor]

I'm agreeing!
Halo 2 was an all or nothing game. The vehicals are only put in place for (i'm sorry) people who are too stupid to aim a gun or last longer than 5 seconds on the battle field... so instead they get given these awful to drive vehicals that allow players with no talent to run over other players who have enough guts to fire the damn weapon they were given. As for flying vehicles... 'cluck cluck cluck... come down here and take me on fair and square'

As a side note, try a rocket launcher only match - skill suddenly becomes a lot less important.

This too.. I dont know how many times -in any multiplayer shooter- somebody decided to blow up the whole area im standing on because he's too shit to aim a gun at me..

Never played Mario Karts

And WoW.. hmm.. Its no so much talent but more if you have enough time and enough friends with the same lonely lifestyle, are you allowed to progress in that game.
People with loving families, kids, jobs and enough friends to enjoy fresh air with, can not benefit as much from WoW.

Great Thread, thanks!

I lol'd again.

Complaining about vehicles because you couldn't figure out how to beat them huh?

 

[Anton P. Nym]

So far as Halo goes... Halo Reach has matchmaking filters for skill level. (Halo 2's matching sucked, I agree. Halo 3's is better than 2's, but not as good as Reach's.) Reach's matching even has an extra filter you can turn on to reduce the amount of skill spread in your match, which means it'll turn down matches with players much better (or much worse) than you automatically.

You may want to turn on that filter and play with randoms (without a mic, or pick the "Team and Party Only" option in the game's voice filter, to save yourself some annoyance) until you feel more comfortable with the maps and gameplay.

-- Steve