Why is rape or even just sex worse than death?

[ElPatron]

But you're adding to the equation handed to us. If you kill a pregnant woman thats two lives. He asked why is rape worse then death. Which it isn't. And you would take torture over AIDS? Is that because its a death sentence?

1. Killing a pregnant woman might not kill the infant.

2. So death and rape is all a matter of maths? I thought I was a cold person, but sheesh.

3. If I were to be raped right now, I think I would try to get tested in the next few months. It's possible to live with AIDS if you detect it early. But do I want to live with AIDS? Hell no, it's the kind of thing you don't want anyone to have, not even Bobby Kotick. Like rape.

 

[Freechoice]

It's nothing to do with your biology. It's an entirely societal issue.

I wouldn't say rape has ever been seen as acceptable but it certainly was never as deplorable as it is now.

As for normal sex, well our society has been overwhelmingly prudish for the better part of a millennia. That's just a logical extent of that prudery which probably came from religious attitudes.

"Male orangutans have been reported to display sexual attraction to human women to the point of rape. The cook of noted primatologist Birutė Galdikas was raped by an orangutan.[62] According to reporter Carole Jahme, rape "was almost the fate of Julia Roberts" when she was seized by a male orangutan before being freed by the film crew."

So yes, it is biology. Dolphins do it too.

 

[Freechoice]

It's nothing to do with your biology. It's an entirely societal issue.

I wouldn't say rape has ever been seen as acceptable but it certainly was never as deplorable as it is now.

As for normal sex, well our society has been overwhelmingly prudish for the better part of a millennia. That's just a logical extent of that prudery which probably came from religious attitudes.

"Male orangutans have been reported to display sexual attraction to human women to the point of rape. The cook of noted primatologist Birutė Galdikas was raped by an orangutan.[62] According to reporter Carole Jahme, rape "was almost the fate of Julia Roberts" when she was seized by a male orangutan before being freed by the film crew."

So yes, it is biology. Dolphins do it too.

Did you even read what I said?

I'm saying his revulsion to rape over murder is a societal issue, not a biological one.

It was in response to him saying this.

Obviously this is not a new thought. But I'm thinking more from a biology/psychology perspective. If I see a sexual crime I'm like ewww, but if I see someone's head being ripped off I'm like eh.

Then you should have quoted that in the first place. Don't get pissy because you were shortsighted.

 

[SpAc3man]

Psychological damage to the victim is why. They have to live with the memory forever.

 

[Freechoice]

So I need to quote the OP to respond to the thread? Hear that everyone? From now on, to respond to a topic, you have to quote the OP so people don't get confused and think you were talking about a different thread entirely.

Don't be simple. Perhaps you should have actually read the OP and you might have had a clue what I was going on about.

What I was saying should also have been clear to you without the context of the person I was responding to.

As opposed to the dozens of other posts here? And because I already read it yesterday and didn't care to read it again? Besides, you didn't actually prove it wasn't biologically oriented. You just made some statement that was actually wrong.

As well, your assumption that rape has always been seen as wrong is also wrong. The Nanking Massacre is a good example of that. Yeah, there's a proviso as to its justification being the dehumanization of other people, but that's just loosing the strings around libido.

Also, your second and third sentences are a juvenile ad absurdum argument that I find ever so frequently used by the uninformed and over-opinionated that lurk in the forums.

 

[NightHawk21]

Witnessing a rape perhaps causes a similiar reaction to that of watching someone being tortured.

Watching some dude get decapitated, while pretty nasty, isn't nearly as nasty as watching someone have their kneecaps smashed in with a hammer.

Thank you Daystar for remind me with that beautiful hammer imaginary of this scene.

Fair warning, while not gruesome I wouldn't watch if bones breaking make you sick.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

A quick death is, well...quick. The end is immediate and the victim feels nothing because they are dead.

A rape, however, is a form of prolonged physical and psychological torture. It's harming an individual at their most vulnerable moment and objectifying them to the sick freak's pleasure or control. Victims of rape feel weak, violated, and used, and many will live their entire lives with psychological scars that will never mend.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

Seriously, this reminds me of that one part in The Order of the Phoenix

Voldemort: There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!
Dumbledore: You are quite wrong. Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness.

 

[Freechoice]

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Well I agree with you on basically everything. The clarity at the start was all that I was asking for.

Basically everything. I wasn't referring to your argument as an ad absurdum, I was referring to this:

So I need to quote the OP to respond to the thread? Hear that everyone? From now on, to respond to a topic, you have to quote the OP so people don't get confused and think you were talking about a different thread entirely.

That's an ad absurdum. I don't want to see everyone quote the OP, but when you get to page five and start addressing issues specifically, it's extremely useful to see the response contextualized.

 

[GraveeKing]

It's a very good point. Personally, in real life, I find rape not as bad as Murder by a long point - at least they can recover.

But in games.... it just seems plain weird. Maybe because death is in a way a kind of 'No choice about it' and almost morally excepted - I mean it's rare you see a civilian killed slowly and painfully and pointlessly in the game. Most video-games have a REASON behind killing someone so it's almost as if it's OK.
We all remember I'm sure the hype when an airport full of civilians was shot-dead in a game, it was deemed pointless by most who viewed it (although it's now kind of part of the story so most have excepted it). Then again - there was no real signs of suffering, it was a quick to the point murder - now torture on the other hand, you very rarely see that outside of high age-rated horror games.

Whereas I think we can all agree there is no reason for rape. Ever. Hence it shouldn't be in a video-game.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

If rape is worse than death, then everyone who is raped should fight to the last breath to prevent it, even if it means their own death. Therefore, if you didn't struggle hard enough, it wasn't rape.

You have no idea at all what you're talking about. Most rapes are not violent, for starters, and most people who are raped don't fear death--they fear other people finding out. The amount of self-loathing, disgust and angst one experiences are not something you would understand. Most people who are raped don't refuse to call for help or to fight back because they are scared of dying; they are terrified of being hurt any more than they already are and the thought of others finding out is one of the most repugnant feelings imaginable.

Death has nothing to do with rape. Pain and humiliation are all you think about.

OT: murder doesn't leave the direct victim alive. Rape leaves them alive and scarred forever.

 

[ElPatron]

at least they can recover.

Or stay broken for the rest of their miserable lives. We have 6 pages of debate with people saying that rape is as permanent as death (and of course lasts way longer) and you decided to skip them all?

 

[Your once and future Fanboy]

In my personal philosophy, Value of life is in direct proportion to quality of life.
Destroying a life (rape, mutilation, torture, etc), is worse than just ending a life (in my opinion).

this is very subjective of course, some are mentally stronger than other and can raise themselves up from the ashes. So I'm not saying that your life is worthless if something like this happened to you, but that if someone does something like this to you, it's as bad as/ or worse than murder in my opinion.

Your life ends at death and everything you had in life disapears, and you will also disapear, so you won't feel sadness or pain over your death. But if you are hurt by someone, you will have to live with that pain and sorrow the rest of your remaining life.
That's worse.

 

[Something Amyss]

Most people who get murdered aren't around to complain when it gets used in video games, whereas we have plenty of rape victims around to voice their opinion if ME4 pops in with an option to touch Rex inappropriately.

wrex?

if that was such a feature I doubt certain fans would take that opertunity with wrex *cough*tali*cough*

This is the internet, though, so you know some people would be touching the Krogan in the no-nos.

 

[Freechoice]

I'd written it inbetween Exterminatus rounds on Space Marine

I now have respect for you.

 

[Rheinmetall]

I always had this question myself too. I imagine being raped is among the most traumatic experiences one can have, but still wounds eventually heal after time, it may takes years, or never, but in my humble opinion I think death is worse, for them who die and also for their loved ones.