Why is this site so split about Fallout 3?

[Nomanslander]

Well, on one side you have the Nostalgiacs which don't want to accept the fact the game evolved into something better in it's own right, and on the other hand you have those that did.

I will admit the story is better in the first two games, but I could careless about its turn based gameplay, and the last I checked gameplay is what matters in video games. Plus the atmosphere is through the roof in FO3 where as in FO1&2.....well, it isn't!

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[Tribalbeat]

Plus the atmosphere is through the roof in FO3 where in FO1&2.....well, it isn't!

Different opinions, Different opinions, just take deep breaths and all will be well.

It is mainly because of how they turned it into a hybrid of an FPS/RPG and in doing so cut off most of the fans of the older two where you could take your time to plan out an attack. That and Fallout 1 and 2 were known for pretty tough game-play whereas Fallout 3, being part FPS, had to lower the difficulty to allow for newer fans of the series. What I said probably didn't make much sense. In the end, I didn't care for Fallout 3, but I know some people liked it.

 

[RollingDigits]

Well, on one side you have the nostalgiacs which don't want to accept the fact the game evolved into something better in it's own right, and on the other hand you have those that did.

I will admit the story is better in the first two games, but I could careless about its turn based gameplay, and the last I checked gameplay is what matters in video games. Plus the atmosphere is through the roof in FO3 where in FO1&2.....well, it isn't!

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What is "gameplay"? Is VATS gameplay? If so, then there's no way dialogue shouldn't be considered gameplay. You actively make decisions which affect what happens next (moreso in the earlier games)- it's under your control and is affected by your character's skills (preferably). Hell, it can even get you experience points and items, just like combat. Poor shooting or poor turn-based are both still examples of poor combat. There are games with good shooting (Counter Strike for example) and there are games with good turn-based (JA2 for example). These games are not the Fallout games.

You can't just claim the gameplay is better in one or the other. Personally, I prefer the gameplay in Fallout 1 & 2 over Fallout 3, but that's because I don't mind turn-based. Again, I played Fallout 3 before the other 2, so it's not like it's nostalgia or anything, I just have a different point of view.

 

[Tarakos]

Anything hugely successful will attract just as many haters as it does fans. And with Fallout 3, it strayed from the formula set down by the first two, so Fallout fans are split between the Purists and the "Newbies." I personally don't really love the Bethesda formula, but I thought 3 was decent enough.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Here's the opinion of two people

Person 1: "The world is so huge and atmospheric"
Person 2: "The world is so big, empty, brown and grey. It's boring."

Person 1: "VATS completely makes the game. I don't want to do combat without it now"
Person 2: "I might as well be playing a Final Fantasy game if I use VATS. Pausing the action to take the highest percentage shot? No thanks. It's just a cover up for poor gun mechanics"

Person 1: "There are so many side missions, or you can just explore. I love that it doesn't force you to take on it's story until you want to."
Person 2: "So...my dad who I love very much is missing and possibly dead, but I shouldn't look for him. I should go blow up a town. Because that makes sense. The story is barely there"

Person 1: "It really sells that you're on your own having to survive"
Person 2: "Because the poorly animated 'characters' are poorly written and inconsequential"

haha wow

that sums up a shit ton of arguements between friends and myself and other people pretty nicely about fallout 3..

good job.

but yeah OT its all opinion...

personally im on both sides of the fence, i love what it is capable of with the dlc and mods and stuff, but the vanilla game..well, its all what the person i quoted's second person mostly

 

[Nomanslander]

You can't just claim the gameplay is better in one or the other. Personally, I prefer the gameplay in Fallout 1 & 2 over Fallout 3, but that's because I don't mind turn-based. Again, I played Fallout 3 before the other 2, so it's not like it's nostalgia or anything, I just have a different point of view.

I don't know I found the gameplay in FO1&2 boring and out dated, but like everyone else has said here it's all just opinions...=/

 

[Peteron]

I enjoy Fallout 3 a lot. Some people dislike it due to its flaws. Well, the game does has a lot of flaws, but the good things in Fallout completely diminish the bad in my opinion. There is no such thing as a perfect game, but I really do love Fallout. (Cannot wait for New Vegas!)

 

[Zhukov]

Because this site... dun dun dun... consists of more then one person!

Fancy that.

Personally I really liked Fallout 1, didn't like Fallout 2 and kinda liked Fallout 3.

 

[duedmen]

I really loved all 3 games I played fallout 3 first and loved it right away then I bought the fallout trilogy and played around through 1 and 2 and loved them just as much I like both for different reason fallout 3 because it really pulled me into the game and I found it fun to just wander the wasteland aimlessly where as I loved 1 and 2 because of their difficulty and strategic game play but I also love all three because the universe and history of fallout is what truly made it a great game for me fallout even three had a buried depth and one of the most remembered universe I have ever played all three are great games of their eras also new vegas is going to obsidian who's made up of the old interplay team and they seem to like the engine and lets not forget the most important fact the NCR is returning along with the originaly
west coast brotherhood

 

[swolf]

People don't seem to understand the concept of "opinion".

I don't like _______. Because __________ .

I like _______. Because __________.

Lets assume the blanks are the same. Whats the difference between these two statements? Is one "right" while the other is wrong? No. How can that be so? How can two contradicting statements both be right? What witchcraft is this? I'll tell you. It's called personal opinion. When you state whether or not you "like" something, you are applying your own personal preference to the judgment of whether or not its "good". See...

opinion [uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA
-noun
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

See? Your opinion is meaningless. Why? Because the next person to come along and praise whatever you scorn, or scorn whatever you praise, is JUST AS RIGHT AS YOU.

Get over your personal opinions and find some games you like. Play them, and shut up.

Still trying to reason with people, huh? Let me know how that works out. Yeah, sometimes it works but many people just end up screaming "I'm right and you're wrong!!!" with the assumption that their personal opinion is the way that everybody should think...though everybody should think like me because I'm never wrong (just kidding).

Edit: never played any of the games in the series. Just entered this thread to learn about it so I can know if I should / shouldn't buy it. There's good nuggets of info to be found amongst the screaming fanboys, haters, and all those in-between (see: civilized people).

Edit2: Turn based game play? No thanks, I'll pass.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

People don't seem to understand the concept of "opinion".

I don't like _______. Because __________ .

I like _______. Because __________.

Lets assume the blanks are the same. Whats the difference between these two statements? Is one "right" while the other is wrong? No. How can that be so? How can two contradicting statements both be right? What witchcraft is this? I'll tell you. It's called personal opinion. When you state whether or not you "like" something, you are applying your own personal preference to the judgment of whether or not its "good". See...

opinion [uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA
-noun
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

See? Your opinion is meaningless. Why? Because the next person to come along and praise whatever you scorn, or scorn whatever you praise, is JUST AS RIGHT AS YOU.

Get over your personal opinions and find some games you like. Play them, and shut up.

You just summed up my biggest problem with this site.

 

[JPH330]

Dude, don't u disagree wit me or i'll say wut ur sayin is just, like, ur opinion, man.

Oblivion with guns was LCD bullshit. This site is mostly teens. Thus, its popular here.

I was overjoyed that people, in general, hated oblivion and bought it only for it's modding community. Then... bethesda takes the exact same game, adds some fallout via madlibs, and suddenly its a masterpiece? No.

You must be new to trolling, so let me give you a little tip. Try not to be so obvious.

 

[ShadowKatt]

I just thought it was the fallout fanboys vs. everything else. I personally couldn't stand fallout 3, but I haven't played 1 or 2 or the rts. A friend of mine back home though lives and breathes fallout, and thought it was amazing.

 

[NickCaligo42]

On one hand there's the crowd that didn't play the first two games, had no idea a series even existed until the third was produced (mainly because Bethesda's name was attached to it), and therefore has no preconceptions about what the series should play like. On the other hand there's the crowd that faithfully played both of the first two games, enjoyed them immensely, and hates how different from them Fallout 3 is, either stylistically or gameplay-wise.

I didn't play fallout 1 or 2, and still thought F3 was wanting. Sure, it had some cool things in it, but the depth just wasn't there. Same guns almost the entire game through, a poorly balanced skill system (That gives you enough skill points to max out pretty much everything) a silly level cap... and bad guys that scale in difficulty so you have an experience as 'grey' as the backdrop.

It wasn't a bad game, it just had so many little things it could have done to be awesome, that it is hard to not focus on the mistakes.

Aaaand then there's this. Bethesda's good at making big, open worlds to explore and lose yourself in, but their game design skills are pretty much garbage and their games are very lacking in depth for all the variety they try to deliver. This won't stop proponents of their open-world model from LOVING the game and it won't even stop people who hate their systems design from enjoying the experience, but it does mean a lot of people will figure it to be pretty overrated.

 

[grimsprice]

Still trying to reason with people, huh? Let me know how that works out.

Edit2: Turn based game play? No thanks, I'll pass.

I... i.... [small]still want to try. [/small]

2nd. It doesn't have turn based gameplay. It has an auto-targeting system like z-targeting in Zelda games in case you aren't good at FPS'ing it. (the controls are horrible, it lags, and it suffers from the same teleporting enemies. Which really hurt the FPS elements).

 

[swolf]

Still trying to reason with people, huh? Let me know how that works out.

Edit2: Turn based game play? No thanks, I'll pass.

I... i.... [small]still want to try. [/small]

2nd. It doesn't have turn based gameplay. It has an auto-targeting system like z-targeting in Zelda games in case you aren't good at FPS'ing it. (the controls are horrible, it lags, and it suffers from the same teleporting enemies. Which really hurt the FPS elements).

Yeah, I also find myself trying to teach reason to the savages as well (okay, so I'm exaggerating a little). Oh, I read a post that mentioned that it did. I probably misread...

Well, on one side you have the Nostalgiacs which don't want to accept the fact the game evolved into something better in it's own right, and on the other hand you have those that did.

I will admit the story is better in the first two games, but I could careless about its turn based gameplay, and the last I checked gameplay is what matters in video games. Plus the atmosphere is through the roof in FO3 where as in FO1&2.....well, it isn't!

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Nope, this guy said it. Though since you (grimsprice) listed off reasons such as lagging, bad controls, and teleporting enemies, I think I'll pass. Thanks for the the info though.

 

[SimuLord]

Because there are a lot of Bethesda fans on this forum (witness FO3 taking Game of the Year honors in a forum poll conducted at the end of 2008 and the still-frequent Morrowind and Oblivion references peppered throughout threads on these boards)...and a very vocal minority of FO1 and FO2 fans who have a downright NMA-like tendency to recoil in horror at what Bethesda did to their beloved franchise.

Viciously divided fanbase with about as much hope for reconciliation as the Blue and the Gray circa 1860.

 

[RexoftheFord]

Ok. I played all the Fallout games. Even the less known RTS ones. Really enjoyed 1 & 2. Found a problem with it, exploration was boring. Not many places you could see either. Played Fallout 3. Exploration was suddenly interesting, with a lot to see. Really enjoyed it. Dialogue in 3..not up to the standard of 1&2. Story on par though. Bit cliche, but all of them were. The game is about cliche 50s images of Post-Nuclear world and science fiction. All of them were enjoyable to me, but then again, I was just looking to have fun. They did a lot of things right, Bethesda, but they did a lot of things wrong too. Gunplay in 3, you can complain about it all day long, but essentially it still worked outside of VATS. You shoot the enemy, they die eventually. You can complain about the sighting system, but it was a first attempt at using rusty old weapons that have crappy old sights. Would you have liked to have tried to aim with a half broken sight on a hunting rifle, or would you prefer to have stats that determined your accuracy and a crosshair in the center of the screen that basically puts the bullet the direction you're going? To be honest, I want critical misses brought back from the first two as well. I like the odd chance my gun's going to blow up in my face. Look forward to New Vegas. Bethesda got some of the team that worked on the original two games, so maybe this will fix some problems people saw in 3 and maybe the improvements made in 3 will fix some of the problems of 1 & 2.

There's many reasons people get all upset over changes to games. Here's a list of what's included in these reasons, though not a comprehensive one: change to something familiar that makes it slightly unfamiliar, change in gameplay mechanics, change in population playing the game, change in style of gameplay, change in story, change in developer, and so on. Main reason people split on it is simply..change. Some like the changes. Some don't. Some think they're good, but need improvement. Instead of arguin', why not just put the game away if you don't like it or enjoy it if you do? You can ***** all you'd like, ain't going to change the fact that things are going to change as time goes on.

 

[Sandorya]

I just meant this, you should not consider opinion irrelevant, or, as you said, meaningless.

I guess i do need to find a different word. I don't think opinions are pointless or meaningless. True, they don't MEAN anything, in any true sense. But i don't mean to say that i don't care about others opinions. I think your opinion is fascinating. I always push and push to try and find out why someone has a certain opinion.

Quite a few years back, a friend of mine (and I) went to see Constantine in theatres. He pissed and moaned about wasting his money all the way back to my house. At which point i asked him why he didn't like it. He simply said "because it was shit". So i said "prove to me that Constantine is shit". He spent the next 10 MINUTES trying to figure out how to prove it without simply restating his opinion. He then gave up over sandwiches and conceded that it was just a feeling. I then asserted that i enjoyed it. So he thought he'd be smug and say "prove that it was a good movie!", to which i simply said, "i never said it was a good movie. I only said i enjoyed it".

I see. Great job on the Constantine discussion. Although, I still getting the felling that, in some way, we're agreeing without even noticing.